I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Mrs acgr just came in from her night oot wi her pals and told me it was our 27th wedding anniversary today.
Seems it wisnay just me that forgot. TFFT……………….phew.
Just as well by luck more than design I’d organised a night away at a special place for tomorrow, I’m gonnay fling her huge bulk intae the flatbed of the acgrmobile and take her away for a night she’ll never forget. And, naw, its no an abattoir.
I’ll leave it at that.
G64
The Holy Bible! Manic Street Preachers.
Wotanalbum!
goodnight Jobo
HH
Night bhoys n ghirls
Love u all ☘☘
A special. Night to Dena
God bless pal
Goodnight BT
HH
Blantyre Tim @ 10.51
Great post and one I agree with entirely.
I wont be watching the game tomorrow and that make me sad as it interferes with me supporting Celtic.
I hate playing the part of a grumpy old man because I’m not – I just won’t put up with the lies that are being spread about this game. And I fear, being spread, in part, by our plc.
I would love for the match programme tomorrow to say the truth about the dead club.
I believe you know a cousin of mine, Caroline.
From perusing facebook.
Right! Beat it! the lot of you.
Wheres the night shift?
DD, feel free to use my seat, its closer to the pies:_) Just watch out when we score, the wee man is like a lion cub jumpin aboot. Very funny wee guy but a joy compared to some of the moaning faced fuds I’ve been close to in the last five or six years.
To date, our Spanish correspondent has not booked up for any home games. I’ll see him in a few weeks and will find out more.
Maybe he’ll put his hand in his pocket and actually buy me a swally………………Na, that’s not going to happen.
HH
I’m standing on a hilltop
A hundred miles from home
I can see the light surrounds me
I want you to show me ’round
http://youtu.be/hLJxDnGHrd4
Good night, John Boy.
John-Boy: Good night, Elizabeth. Good night, Daddy.
John: Good night, Son. Good night, Mary Ellen.
Mary Ellen: Good night, Daddy. Good night, Mama.
Olivia: Good night, Mary Ellen. Good night, Jim Bob.
Jim Bob: Good night, Mama. Good night, Erin.
Erin: Good night, Jim Bob. Good night, Ben.
Ben: Good night, Erin. Good night, everybody.
Speyside Lhad – a very kind offer. However I’m more in Jobo Baldie country so will have to politely decline! I must try the Balvenie Caribbean – a wee Christmas pressie idea there to float towards Mrs BH :-)
BeatBhoy – thankee kindly! Terrible recording but a good band :-)
CELTIC CHAMPS ELECT on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:22 PM
Can any of the older crew like south of Tunis remember the song there was 60 thousand Orangemen all sank beneath the …
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Mayhap……
To the tune of Battle Hymn of the Republic
King Billy had an army of a hundred thousand men.( Three times )
( followed by the punchline…………
And the whole _ _ _ _ ing lot got shot.
BANG BANG
A poetic masterpiece.
TET, heading over 30th Sept. I’ll call you to sort something out. It’s good to talk.
HH to you and Mrs J TET
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 11:49 PM
You forgot Granpaw andGranmaw…………..
how remiss of you
HH
BSR………………………………….ha haaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
That was cruel:_)
bournesouprecipe
LOL
I remember standing by the wall…
…and The Shame was on the other side
See its like a religion w/you lot.
Its like talking to muslims.
If I had been a thirst crazed nomadic bedoiun outcast in the desert with writing implements
and obsessed with water and fannies I could start a religion that could last 1500 years.
Who couldnae?
God Bless yeez.
Very rare footage of the Pogues at Baird’s Bar.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Eo4-oyejk
Thank you for being gentle with me this evening friends. I’ve only been lurking for 11 years – that’s nearly three times longer than Sevco! But enough boasting, my pit is calling. 3-0 tomorrow for the Bould Bhoys will be just dandy! BV
Beatbhoy,
you canny beat some 13th floor elevators!
I’m grateful for your taste in music displayed on this blog.
Would love to go to the next hootenanny – sometimes I don’t feel I know enough about the Celtic to not be embarassed.
besides, I think BMCUWP might ostracise me since I don’t like Mr Zimmerman!
I like Balvenie. I’ll take your score Bavenieheights.
HH bruv
Mags, is yer young whippershapper H going tomorrow?
If not, I’m going to see if he’s up for a meet on the 28th for the manc game, its been too long.
HH sister
ACGR
I believe he is.
Balvenieheights… i never buy a bottle of the carribean as i’d neck it and not really savour it, my missus doesnt drink so we go out for dinner regularly and i’ll have a few wines over dinner and finish off the meal with a large carribean then home to my bottle of double wood. either of them is best poured with a single ice cube IMO
lhads and lhassies, whether your at Celtic Park or the pub tmrw…. keep a sensible head on till you get home safe, there’s gonna be zombies spoiling for any easy pickings so take good care all
Clinic
● Harvest
http://youtu.be/jfZBm-ZF7DU
●Miss You
http://youtu.be/dqBOqEy7GKg
Dharma Bam
Got to be honest, haven’t heard much of the Elevators boys, just helping the new guy out!
Good of you to remark on my music contributions.
Make up for my fitba’ wans a bit, mibbe!
And a bit of Otis
http://youtu.be/rkWIAsCeJ1o
BABASONICOS71
The harvest clip reminded me immediately of what it would have been like if Radiohead had done the Pink Floyd scarecrow video.
BABASONICOS71
Miss you
reminded me of Dandy Warhols doing Gingerbread man by the Residents
BABASONICOS71
Otis reminded me of Otis
Since everybody has gone to bed (to get up for the Celtic game the morra)
I will wish a happy birthday to Miss GFTB and a wee special prayer to wee Oscar who both share this birthday and the wee mhans video clips on here brought myself to Cqn…..gone but never forgotten our wee Celtic Warrior, a lot more important things than a daft game of football …..
But am sure Brendan & Bhoys will provide another 3pts for the champions
Dharma Bam
If yer buying him a pint, he’ll forgive you, I’m sure.
And it’s not a quiz, so don’t worry about the Celtic knowledge.
It’s about the experience! (Well at least it used to be).
Maggie, the number I have may be out of date (ends in 550??)., if that’s wrong can you mail me at my acgr outlook addy with an up to date contact. It’s time we made arses of ourselves together again………………:_))
HH
GFTB
Feliz Cumpleaños a tu hijita!
Speyside Lhad. Ice in the Doublewood? Naw Naw naw, please take me away from this nightmare…………..:_)
That’s a dram that hardly needs a drop of water.
HH