I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Balvenieheights, welcome :)
are you close by to Balvenie or is your moniker due to your favourite malt perhaps
cant wait for the green brigades tifo tomorrow, the four horsemen will live long in the memory and be very very hard to improve upon.
MiT
I think your views are generally well founded. Do you think Aberdeen really spoke the truth?
JJ
DOC
Paul67 can say what he likes.
It wont change the truth…why pretend otherwise.
Who gives a feck what Huns think, they are proven liars, cheats, and bigots.
They can say what they like….Rangers are dead,…Forever.
I prefer the truth, nobody likes liars.
HH
Connaire, good post indeed.
Hope all get to and from the game safely tomorrow.
The Sevco support are singing the same song’s, but more of them do so, and louder, with no comment never mind reprisals.
TheLurkinTim, first glad you didn’t change your blog name.
Second, Facts is Facts.
To deny facts is to be either ignorant or a liar.
I think many who ignore this particular fact are both.
Hot Smoked…. I think they did….the question is ‘did they mean to do it’?
Glassford03
Yes!
It has since become a favourite of mine and gets an airing every time ive had a few drinks
B-)
TGM, we agree, but Paul didn’t say anything other, he just made a point from a different angle.
Always remember, the MSM are made up largely of Sevcovians.
The authorities are where the issue lies I think.
What’s the news on Griff?
Would we have him on the bench if not 100%?
I can understand Rangers` fans desire to believe the constant stream of nonsense that says that their team still exists. I cannot understand who they think is currently in the process of liquidation.
JJ
mike in toronto on 9th September 2016 9:30 pm
The Huddle ….
How ya doing pal?
The Aberdeen website … I agree that they sort of waffled (website hasn’t been updated) …. but, sadly, even waffling, they have still come closer to speaking the truth than our Board.
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I’m doing good, hope life is treated you sound :O)
The website was just IT quirk.
Aberdeen said move on
Aberdeen sold tickets on the back of the huns
Aberdeen website quirk
Mike
I don`t believe they did mean to do it. Their response to questions on the matter was evasive and their other references to ` Rangers` comes without equivocation.
It has ensured that the issue was raised again and that is a good thing whether Aberdeen intended it or not so I am not totally in disagreement with you. Enjoy your evening with the Bhoys.
JJ
if we are 2 – 3 goals up by half time i hope someone in the dressing room has the presense of mind to have a mobile phone ready to record any visit from police scotland attempting any shenanigans re keeping the score down
Minceyheidman on 9th September 2016 9:41 pm
I would take a gamble on Griff, assuming the injury isn’t too bad. I don’t think he will offer too much away to Barca, as the tactics won’t suit him, though clearly BR will know better than me :)
HH
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Doc
Im on the side of truth and justice.
My conscience is clear.
Principle over money for me.
I cant speak for the PLC, but then again, they dont speak for us either.
HH
Oh . I meant to say goodnight all,
Goodnight !
JJ
Hot Smoked said, and I quote , “Mike …. I am not totally in disagreement with you.” Woo hoo! Another one coming over to the dark side! Woo hoo!
you better hope TD isn’t reading, or you’ll be joining me on the ‘Naughty’ list!
:)
I really hate all this OF crap. We even have to listen to the MSM trotting out the ‘R###### and Celtic’ formula – how powerful are the Masons? (Even alphabetically Celtic should come first – how deep does theis agenda run?)
I would take 1 – 0. Praying for more but referee could be the main man tomorrow.
re the griff….. i think we have more than enough options tomorrow to potentially risk losing him for a few weeks, against Barca i’d think Moussa would be a better out ball which would five the griff a full week to recover…. i know he’d be gutted to miss both games but in the wider scheme of things think it would be best
Just back from an evening in the Blane with Old Tim, Zbyszek, Blantyre Tim, Gary 67, An Tearman and Dick Byrne (formerly of this parish). Good company and cordial conversation, disagreement without any forceful jibes and no muck raking about absent colleagues.
These guys are a credit to CQN and Celtic and, If I had to pick out one, I admire OT for his faith in Celtic and his generosity to people. He’s worth more than words, but words are all I have.
Sorry- Forgot Lennybhoy was there too.
Too much Guinness taken- now in a Southside hostelry enjoying more of the same
Norwegian band Jaga Jazzist – All I know is tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_L2rcPlUok&list=PLe8f5XczSWQFGQw4aN4XUKrPQdLXVzXmS&index=6
Dan
TGM, again, we agree.
I speak for myself, and the PLC don’t speak for me.
But I see them do a lot of good for the Club, and will state when I think they are doing badly.
Tomorrow will be informative as I say.
DAN QUIXOTE on 9TH SEPTEMBER 2016 8:18 PM
Good evening everyone Celtic :)
Meridian Brothers from Columbia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OgaHv4ouWU
HH
Top class lol
HH
SFTB @ 10:00 & 10:01…
You do realise you have a big game tomorrow?
Holyrood 9:00 sharp!
:)
That’s at least 3 people I have agreed with tonight, what is wrong with the blog tonight!?!?!?!?!
Enough of this.
Then I read SFTB’s post, feeling sickened, agreeing with yet another post.
Dark room and a lie down for me.
:-)
Sorry Gordon
make me a last pick tomorrow.
As usual.
All tomorrow’s Parties – Velvet Underground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M88Ca91hTWs
Good night everyone Celtic. And enjoy the game tomorrow. :))))
HH
Dan Q
JJ ,
As an Aberdeen, now sympathiser, I agree with your misgivings.
Setting Free The Bears –
I guess you’re giving ParkRun as bodyswerve as well?
Jobo
I’ll get a note from my mother
Patrick Roberts or James Forest right wing?
Either of the 2 should give the grass Wallace a torrid time but I would like to see Patrick go at him inside, that is if he shrugs off his “injury” ah hmmmm….. that had him rush to Belfast last week from the Scotland camp.
Doc@10:14
If I said your an arse would that help :0)
That William hill advert on the iPad. Seriously annoying.
Forrest first half. Roberts second. Rip them apart.
Prestonpans Bhoy, thanks for that:-)
Your opinion matters to me.
Anyone know of any Celtic friendly pubs in Cambridge for Tuesday night?
Aberdeen supporter….I meant to say…..long life story.
On the back step…..too many wimman talking..
Going to my team’s game against Motherwell tomorrow afternoon.
It was 4 years ago our opening league game…first game in the top league..was against Motherwell ….August 2012.
First league campaign without Rangers.
Did I give a ??? about the fact that Rangers weren’t in it?
Did i give a ..whà!!
Was talking to some Hun’s today, seem up beat about tomorrow, reality sometimes takes longer than expected!
My favourite version of Grace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMf6IyJI0e4
Belt it out tomorrow!
FAC the Act
KTF