I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Its like a game of football. If that’s what matters….. Does it???
MWD
Spot on. I felt more nervous about the Dons game two Fridays ago than I do about tomorrow. My only nerves are for our young fans meeting hun thugs before or after the match.
Muney, muney muney is what it’s all about.
TeT
Sorry but those bigoted morons will be at Celtic park tomorrow so you can’t kid on anymore
We as a PLC are happy to sit in comfort whilst the scum run riot in Glasgow, it’s all over the news and they don’t get the irony!
“The Heavy Bear Who Goes With Me” by Delmore Schwartz (read by Tom O’Bedlam)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aOedLQbxjfw
The Skids – Masquerade
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhvVrNc7Qk
Most important thing tomorrow is that it all passes off without any serious violence,either at the game or at various flash points in Scotland or the 6 counties. At the end of the day it is football, if we win we will be high for a week or two, if we lose devastated for a week or two but we will get over it.
I’m in a total Hun Free Zone but I am conscious that most on here are not, be sensible & be safe Bhoys.
BeatBhoy – very subtle that link, like it! Given that the new club have ‘amassed’ 54 leagues in only 4 seasons then a multiplier of over 13 is at hand. If I could do the linky things I’d be cueing up the 13th Floor Elevators! :-)
Margaret McGill on 9th September 2016 11:11 pm
I have had this smallpoxy feeling before somewhere.
offs gonnae someone notice and react, otherwise we will get this all night
Can any of the older crew like south of Tunis remember the song there was 60 thousand Orangemen all sank beneath the ….. And the song they sang was the ….. …. On the 12 day of July if anyone can fill in the blanks they get will get a jeroboam of champers from me
Good night Timland!
Looking forward to scalping them tomorrow!
Jobo – I’ll see you in the North Curve!
FAC the Act
KTF
BT
I am not kidding anyone, I have fallen out with posters on here for saying that they are not the same, or they have fallen out with me, cos they are one and the same.
The fact that they went bust is actually meaningless, they still play out of the bigotdome, they still play in the same strips, they still call themselfs rangers with the blessing of everyone who matters it seems, they still have the same support who are worse than ever, they still have the sfa on side, the referees still give them all the decisions, the media still love them……I could go on, and on and on and on.
So no kidding here mi amigo :-)
HH
Corckcelt
There has been no mention of violence for several years until today when it appeared on the news
I always hate flies.
Sylvester – you make me feel ethe real.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=frL3Bl998eM
A wee Bang on the Ear for a friday night
Heh Im just here to keep you guys on the straight and narrow.
Im sure many of you will be giving it laldy tomorrow. Not me.
I’ll get up at 9am tomorrow and check the score.
My only disappointment at deciding not to attend the game tomorrow is that I failed to secure a ballot to take auld JJ out on the man’s course, so instead of sclaffbaw, I’ll be painting windae’s.
I do of course expect we will hump this new KKK klub and send their rancid bastard support home with no hope of attaining the 55 points they keep banging on about.
BT, I’m with you on the “hate” gig, they pished in ma pram as ma old maw keeps reminding me. I wonder where I get it from…………………:_)
No mercy, make them wish they’d never set foot in out beautiful stadium.
HH
TeT
Indeed my friend, we sing from the same hymn sheet (sorry Oldtim) it not a catholic thing .:-)
G64
Thanks for heads up. Happy Mondays days relived. :)
Balvenieheights 10.53
double wood is my favourite single malt also although the 14yr old balvenie caribbean is a close second. i was asking as i live just over a mile away from the distillery and thought if you were local we could have met tmrw to watch the Celtic play their first ever league game v the 4 year old Triggers Broom Fc and worked our way through the balvenie range haha
Acgr
Mini BT will not dilute the faith
TET, I’ll be over in three weeks if you fancy a get thigither, sclaffbaw stylee.
Hope you and Mrs E are well, well more her than you if that makes sense.
HH
Balvennie Heights
This one?
13th floor elevators-Baby Blue (suppose 4 isnae really a baby, but compared to 128.. . .)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kprm9aTi8BI
BT
I left work at 6pm tonight and was going to pop,into BV in case I saw a friendly face, gutted to hear one of my old “gaffers” DB was there, I should have realised if our Polish friend was in town, gutted…….
Again, like a broken record player there are far more Celtic fans looking forward too tomorrow than not, no squirrels, no malcontents, no happy clappers, just Celtic fans
TD67
I thought it was the Brazen, enjoy watching the hoops the morra
ACGR
I am really pissed off that you are no going tomorrow.
Who is going to buy me a steak pie if I get hungry??? ;)))
TET
Fans are the same buddy. They are just attached to a different team with similarities.
MWD
setting …..
truth .. Huns are dead. they went into liquidation and are gone forever.
truth – FIFA have called the tribute act a reincarnation. well we all do that. that’s the definition of a zombie.
truth – UEFA have allocated the zombie, oldco’ history. not ill informed.
I will be disappointed if we don’t take a barrel load off them because I hate frauds. and they are a fraud of the most unlikeable team ever to take to any park.
Carnoustie Golfer
Perfect sense mi amigo, mail me when you are coming over, look forward to it.
HH
Hoi BT ya mad man, you got the young lass married off already?
X-Ray Spex. – Identiteeeeeee!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pst5K6uEPUc
It’s a goodnight from me…surrounded by North west football fans who CGAF about the bigot fest tomorrow
have a good day and keep your family close.
Hail! Hail!
DD, get wee James to get ye a pie, the wee man has loads of ma money:_)
Say hello to him for me and tell him why I’m not there. See you on the 28th.
HH
I have no issue with those attending the game tomorrow. I’ve felt disconnected this week because I’ve known for a long time now that I wouldn’t be attending this game. I hoped beyond hope that our custodians would make statement. But not to be. Hh
http://youtu.be/GVbTE4wCbpw
These arms of mine
Otis
Acgr
Mare chance of u getting me a wee dram than mini being married
I imagine she will be with me and Mrs BT at our 50th
Better than being married to a Hun
‘night all, be nice now.
ACGR
Will maybe use your seat and sit wi young James tomorrow.
Will explain to the wee man.
Manc City game could get messy.
Is OHITS coming over?
HH
MWD
This is where I have a problem, not with you btw, but with the law, they are masquerading as the huns, same everything, they are actually breaking the law, but nobody seems to give a shit, they are calling themslefs rangers, against the law, they are using liquidated trade marks, against the law, the term Old Firm died when they died, these are actually quite serious matters that are flying in the face of the law.
Does my head in, hence they are one and the same to me and always will be till they are taken to task and killed off for good.
HH