I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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DHARMA BAM on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:48 AM
Macjay
That’s the spirit!
Only pots under the bed; no reds!
aff oot
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Good comeback.
:-)
We used the call those Jerries.
Presumably in honour of the original huns.
I remember them being called chanties – who knows the roots of that name!
Anyway, I hope you enjoy the game tomorrow – I’ll miss it as I’m taking my son and his pal gokarting in Perth, the Scottish Perth, that is.
Definitely aff oot this time.
The Hun will be feeling Blue on Monday
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Why is Blue a Negative. ;))
How does it feel?
C’mon the Great Greenians
16 Roads.
I’d gie up ma Ticket for you.
Next Tribute act game, if you want to go then it is Guaranteed…you might have to sit beside a mad Tim that is quite quiet atm. ;))
We will see efter the morra.
Maybe
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/sndns755
Petec
I hope A sees a 7-1 tomorrow.
Keep him safe from the forces of darkness please..
The mornings game is one 4am rise I’ll miss due to me not giving a feck about the undead bigots, who will shortly implode once again due to them being run by a bunch of incompetent orange *astards.
I’ll wake up late, kiss the missus and check the score in that order. Then take myself for my morning evacuation, while smiling to myself, as we are way out in front of the league already.
Wan mair wee nail in coffin number 2 (excuse the pun, it was intended).
Delaneys Dunky on 10th September 2016 2:09 am
Petec
I hope A sees a 7-1 tomorrow.
Keep him safe from the forces of darkness please..
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I’m Greedy I want a 7-0.
;)
Obviously a 93rd minute goal to win 1-0 is going to be Amazing.
Destroy them in Paradise. A place that is Spiritually Good.
DD,
I tried to write a reply …and it got lost …but your post describes poor Dingwall accurately….which is the reason I’m trying to get you guys to stop off at mine. Don’t forget it’s Ross COUNTY….. Maryburgh, Conon and the Black Isle……Wester Ross, Easter Ross…….Alness, Invergordon, Tain…..and the whole of Sutherland….support Ross County.
Cant wait to see you having a dram in the cabin at the roundabout at Maryburgh though!
When do Celtic play Ross County up the road?
Petec,
Saw your reply to me earlier today…advice much appreciated..ha ha.
Petec
The first time I heard This is the One, I was flying on XTC in Madchester.
Manc City fan in Hacienda club helped me and my wife that night.
Told me that Man City played in Virgin Mary blue for a reason.
DD,
I don’t think the wee guy knows any Rebel songs, well he might be learning them in St Andrews & St Brides that I dinnae ken about.
I burst into song tonight with a few lines…
Oh Mama Oh Mama,
Comfort Me,
I Know these Awful things have to be,
stopped @ that
But when the war fir Freedom has been Won…..
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I love the US Constitution.
Timeless.
It’s a Shame it has been neglected by its Populace.
Petec,
End October…..we were looking forward to a Saturday afternoon…but it has been changed to a Wednesday evening.
Shite planning I would say.
Alasdair MacLean on 10th September 2016 2:28 am
Petec,
Saw your reply to me earlier today…advice much appreciated..ha ha.
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A McL
All my family in Clydebank, Glasgow and Lanarkshire are Ross County fans after Celtic. You employ our family. :)
Alasdair MacLean,
Midweek is not good for me. :((
Would love to hear 50,000 plus singing Grace at the game.
Rise above the lot of them and get the Sky people talking.
I know its thr late show an ive had a few, but can anyone post the picture of Senderos boots from the other day?
HH
gsu
Anyway G’night Celts and RC supporters.
I best get Sleep before the Mauling, Hopefully, of the Zombies.
CranBerries
If Celtic play Clever, it will be an Incredible day.
ForzaCeltic against the Darkness.
Mincey
I have a warm feeling that 50,000 of us may sing Grace tomorrow. I will.
DD you still up?
Went to my kip at 11.0 to be fresh for tomorrow and woke up bright as a button.
Nightmare.
Oh well sparked a can to get me back to sleep:)
Sipsini
No sleep till after Paradise noo.
We will pump the tribute act.
Stay safe fae the angry hun backlash.
They urnae really ra peepul.
Sipsini
Puffin weed to get a sleep, but it is just making my mind go into overtime.
Lets just put these upstarts back in their box.
Hate that I hate them still.
DD…
Know what you mean, the flies have just found a new shite.
Woke up with 6-0 in my head, need to put a five spot on it now.
I’ll be popping down to the corner, if you’re there be good to see you again.HH
As usual… excellent leader P67
Right Lhads… here’s the sketch… From my eyes…
Ever written out a really long post then just deleted it??
I just did. I’ll be going tomorrow. To support Celtic… Like I always do. Regardless of the opposition. Anyone not going. Please allow your ticket to be used. There are many many people who would love to be therevto support Celtic. Let them.
Regardless of legalities… The zombie fans are the same… In fact probably even worse.
Celtic will welcome the support.
COYBIG
Don’t hate the DD…. Just..
LOVE beating them :-)
There’s always another outlook mo chara x
Peace – one love
Sips…. Same ;-) Hail Hail
Sipsini
If I am not at the corner I will be on Springfield Road boxing wi monkeys. :)
Brendan Rodgers
Brendan Rodgers
You came home…. To lead the green and white
Yaaaaassssss
Just watched ssn… He is so clever… Knows their tricks and never gets caught out with the old firm bullshit
You heard us calling in the night…
Just for you DD
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fJiXmAhsGqM
Mon the hoops
Larsson7
God bless you mo chara.
You have snapped my stoned napper back into sense.
One Love
Robert Nesta Marley Celtic Supporters Club.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Nike+Air+senderos&oq=Nike+Air+senderos+&aqs=chrome..69i57.11113j0j4&client=ms-android-orange-gb&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=8HXPXQgWSlx8YM%3A
Greenside… Hope this works… Hail Hail
Alasdair…
I arrived home just before 12… After driving back from working all over the counties… Amazing :-) was based in Urray… Near Muirfield of Ord… As you know… Wonderful place I the world.
Petec – I promise you I’ll put away my gun ;-)
Can’t read back anymore… Need zzz’s xxx
I love the Celtic Hail Hail
Larsson7
Sleep well and enjoy Paradise in 12 hours time.
Hope we torture thems.
DD… This is my message to you oo oo….
Ha ha
Nite nite timlhand
Have no fear. We will do the job tomorrow. It’s just a warm up for the big event midweek…
If you know your history…
Sweet dreams xXx
Encore…. .
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RHoL345GNC8
Larssonn7en…
Deffo kip time now, up to be suited and booted by 9.30, if my daughter new I was up there would be havoc to play.
Enjoy the game mate HHl
DD, take care tomorrow, I’ll be glad when the kids are home…you know what the monkeys are like.HH