New club/same club. What if the boot was on the other foot?

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I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?

If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.

Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.

It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed.  In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.

The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013.  Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.

‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.

You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.

Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.

For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.

All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.

You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.

Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.

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  1. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    DHARMA BAM on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 1:48 AM

     

    Macjay

     

     

     

    That’s the spirit!

     

     

    Only pots under the bed; no reds!

     

     

     

    aff oot

     

     

    ==================================================

     

     

    Good comeback.

     

    :-)

     

     

    We used the call those Jerries.

     

     

    Presumably in honour of the original huns.

  2. I remember them being called chanties – who knows the roots of that name!

     

     

    Anyway, I hope you enjoy the game tomorrow – I’ll miss it as I’m taking my son and his pal gokarting in Perth, the Scottish Perth, that is.

     

     

    Definitely aff oot this time.

  3. 16 Roads.

     

     

    I’d gie up ma Ticket for you.

     

     

    Next Tribute act game, if you want to go then it is Guaranteed…you might have to sit beside a mad Tim that is quite quiet atm. ;))

     

     

    We will see efter the morra.

  4. The mornings game is one 4am rise I’ll miss due to me not giving a feck about the undead bigots, who will shortly implode once again due to them being run by a bunch of incompetent orange *astards.

     

     

    I’ll wake up late, kiss the missus and check the score in that order. Then take myself for my morning evacuation, while smiling to myself, as we are way out in front of the league already.

     

     

    Wan mair wee nail in coffin number 2 (excuse the pun, it was intended).

  5. Delaneys Dunky on 10th September 2016 2:09 am

     

     

    Petec

     

     

    I hope A sees a 7-1 tomorrow.

     

     

    Keep him safe from the forces of darkness please..

     

     

    ——————————————————————————-

     

     

    I’m Greedy I want a 7-0.

     

     

    ;)

     

     

    Obviously a 93rd minute goal to win 1-0 is going to be Amazing.

     

     

    Destroy them in Paradise. A place that is Spiritually Good.

  6. Alasdair MacLean on

    DD,

     

     

    I tried to write a reply …and it got lost …but your post describes poor Dingwall accurately….which is the reason I’m trying to get you guys to stop off at mine. Don’t forget it’s Ross COUNTY….. Maryburgh, Conon and the Black Isle……Wester Ross, Easter Ross…….Alness, Invergordon, Tain…..and the whole of Sutherland….support Ross County.

     

     

    Cant wait to see you having a dram in the cabin at the roundabout at Maryburgh though!

  7. Petec

     

     

    The first time I heard This is the One, I was flying on XTC in Madchester.

     

    Manc City fan in Hacienda club helped me and my wife that night.

     

    Told me that Man City played in Virgin Mary blue for a reason.

  8. DD,

     

     

    I don’t think the wee guy knows any Rebel songs, well he might be learning them in St Andrews & St Brides that I dinnae ken about.

     

     

    I burst into song tonight with a few lines…

     

     

    Oh Mama Oh Mama,

     

    Comfort Me,

     

    I Know these Awful things have to be,

     

     

     

    stopped @ that

     

     

    But when the war fir Freedom has been Won…..

     

     

    ………………………………………………………………………………………

     

     

    I love the US Constitution.

     

     

    Timeless.

     

     

    It’s a Shame it has been neglected by its Populace.

  9. Alasdair MacLean on

    Petec,

     

     

    End October…..we were looking forward to a Saturday afternoon…but it has been changed to a Wednesday evening.

     

     

    Shite planning I would say.

  10. Alasdair MacLean on 10th September 2016 2:28 am

     

     

    Petec,

     

     

    Saw your reply to me earlier today…advice much appreciated..ha ha.

     

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  11. A McL

     

     

    All my family in Clydebank, Glasgow and Lanarkshire are Ross County fans after Celtic. You employ our family. :)

  12. Anyway G’night Celts and RC supporters.

     

     

    I best get Sleep before the Mauling, Hopefully, of the Zombies.

     

     

    CranBerries

     

     

    If Celtic play Clever, it will be an Incredible day.

     

     

    ForzaCeltic against the Darkness.

  13. DD you still up?

     

    Went to my kip at 11.0 to be fresh for tomorrow and woke up bright as a button.

     

    Nightmare.

     

    Oh well sparked a can to get me back to sleep:)

  14. Sipsini

     

     

    No sleep till after Paradise noo.

     

    We will pump the tribute act.

     

    Stay safe fae the angry hun backlash.

     

    They urnae really ra peepul.

  15. Sipsini

     

     

    Puffin weed to get a sleep, but it is just making my mind go into overtime.

     

    Lets just put these upstarts back in their box.

     

    Hate that I hate them still.

  16. DD…

     

     

    Know what you mean, the flies have just found a new shite.

     

    Woke up with 6-0 in my head, need to put a five spot on it now.

     

    I’ll be popping down to the corner, if you’re there be good to see you again.HH

  17. As usual… excellent leader P67

     

     

    Right Lhads… here’s the sketch… From my eyes…

     

     

    Ever written out a really long post then just deleted it??

     

     

    I just did. I’ll be going tomorrow. To support Celtic… Like I always do. Regardless of the opposition. Anyone not going. Please allow your ticket to be used. There are many many people who would love to be therevto support Celtic. Let them.

     

     

    Regardless of legalities… The zombie fans are the same… In fact probably even worse.

     

     

    Celtic will welcome the support.

     

     

    COYBIG

  18. Larsson7

     

     

    God bless you mo chara.

     

    You have snapped my stoned napper back into sense.

     

    One Love

     

    Robert Nesta Marley Celtic Supporters Club.

  19. Alasdair…

     

     

    I arrived home just before 12… After driving back from working all over the counties… Amazing :-) was based in Urray… Near Muirfield of Ord… As you know… Wonderful place I the world.

     

     

    Petec – I promise you I’ll put away my gun ;-)

     

     

    Can’t read back anymore… Need zzz’s xxx

     

     

    I love the Celtic Hail Hail

  20. DD… This is my message to you oo oo….

     

     

    Ha ha

     

     

    Nite nite timlhand

     

     

    Have no fear. We will do the job tomorrow. It’s just a warm up for the big event midweek…

     

     

    If you know your history…

     

     

    Sweet dreams xXx

  21. Larssonn7en…

     

     

    Deffo kip time now, up to be suited and booted by 9.30, if my daughter new I was up there would be havoc to play.

     

    Enjoy the game mate HHl

     

     

    DD, take care tomorrow, I’ll be glad when the kids are home…you know what the monkeys are like.HH