I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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HASHADENOUGH
hopefully you pick up a ticket at the ground early enough
Take care and KTF
Just scrolling through Twitter and the number of tweets from Tims about staying safe today is quite astonishing. A stark reminder of why Scottish football is so much better without them.
BMCUW
Morning bud!
Don’t forget yer mac n brolly.
…and train timetable!
:-)
Scorchio here.
Nae sign of yer mhan in Lucca I see.
HH!!
Hashadenough
Enjoy the musical. I’m away to the sing song HH
Like any Celtic Home Game I expect us to win and worst scenario draw – CP should always be a fortress.
Today’s catalyst I could well do without. It’s up to the team (players & management) to deal with any limited opposition as they would and have when favourites.
My concerns and wishes are fairly straight forward:
…. Firstly that our Support (whether at the game or elsewhere) – get through the weekend free from; violence, threat and intimidation (though I expect our ears to be assaulted by their bigotry and bile as previous).
…. that the game itself should be about securing 3 points and if possible – scoring a sufficient number of goals to render any thoughts of them being a challenge this season to no more than a pipedream for the slabbering SMSM. Domestically the League Title must be the priority – it remains our passport to Europe and its attendant; finance, kudos and player development.
– and finally that we draw a line under today’s result come Sunday night. We don’t need to be part of this O## F### hyperbole – we have a more important series of CL Group games to look forward beginning this Tuesday evening in Barcelona.
H!H!
Johnbay
As I said to HASHADENOUGH my da will be at his usual spot with mini
HT
I think I pointed this out last night, all over BBC news
Cracking morning here in Puerto Del Carmen , off to Blarney Stone later to watch the Mighty Hoops !! COYBIG !
BT
Met your DA a few weeks ago but he didn’t recognise me 25 years is a long time. HH
HT
Not only that apparently there is a plan ‘to wreck Celtic Park’ it’ll be interesting to see
what happens.
Morning Bhoys from a Sunny Central Scotland I wonder what vile songs the supporters of the tribute act will bring with them today and also how much damage they will do to the toilets and seats etc. ? I expect Celtic to put them to the sword.Come on you Bhoys in Green Glasgows green and white. H.H.
Good luck to the Celts today, game 4 on the road to 6IAR. Supporters, players and management all in.
Heading early now for breakfast at the Emirates, a moment’s pause at Jock’s statue on the Way, then 143 for the game. See a black jacket and starry plough cap, that’ll be me. Travel safely, everyone.
JockSteinaforeverhero.
MrT
Not a ginger hair in sight any more⚽️
Including me:-))
Morning all.
Lovely day down here. It’s always a lovely day to beat any entity that comes out of Govan.
I must be honest. I am getting sick to my back teeth of the BBC churning out this O.. F… nonsense at every opportunity. Radio 5 live were at it @ 6.30 this morning. Inevitably we get second billing too. Why? Imo, there is only 1 reason, the BBC Scottish sports department is sta(u)ffed by follow followers of the deid team. Sickening.
Just hammer them, Celtic.
Many thanks to BMCUPWP and Signore Tallybhoy. We are on a promise at Bar Cupido near the railway station. Italians though have first choice. So if no one wants to see Lucca Juniors play Barga Thistle, we should be ok.
Bourne
Had a meeting at Parkhead on Monday, apparently the polis numbers today are unprecedented so hopefully they’ll focus their attentions on real criminal acts.
I loved this guy, I thought he was a genius, just to take the edge of the day :))
https://youtu.be/FhpLFAPES74
Wee Sheena
My biggest concern today is that they kick us up and down the park with impunity.
HT
Can you get in touch via twitter?
HT,
I hope Celtic hold a minute’s silence for the anniversary of Mr Stein, the man who more than fulfilled my wildest dreams as a young Celtic supporter.
Mr Stein, you made us the finest team in the World. Thank you.
Erik Sviatchenko to score anytime 13/2.
That’ll do nicely !!!!!
MON the HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS
TD
Not as good a singer as yourself
WATCHTHEMOTORS
Buongiorno!
Glad you have sorted something out for today.
Enjoy n FORZA CELTIC!
HH!!
shower shit shave breakfast hoops on four leaf clover playing, then up to paradise for the back ‘o’ 11
GIRFUT………YEEEEHA!
Gerry
I’ll be round in the PV
Enjoy the PRiory
TONYDONNELLY67
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Morning, ya auld fenian eeedjit;-)
Were ye on the tv last night ?
Going to get a wee look.
If yer going the day – GIRUT.
Oh, and stay safe pal, please, just for me ;-)
HH
TBB
Done.
Parkheadcumsalford
Sadly that won’t happen because of the team we’re playing today.
I’m sure the vile hoards will desecrate the memory of Mr Stein today.
Scum
“Today I want us to win, and I want us to win big, not because they are our biggest rivals but because they aren’t. It’s not because we are participants, willing or otherwise, in this rivalry they call the Old Firm. It’s because we’re not and we don’t want to be.”
If the media thinks this is an actual rivalry, well maybe that’s the idea that we have to kill first. Beyond the impact it has on us I don’t care what this club calls itself or how many crooks are on its board … as long as the media and their fans leave us out of it. Once this Old Firm crap is in the past where it belongs, we can all finally move on.
http://www.onfieldsofgreen.com/our-anger-over-this-continuing-old-firm-insult-is-what-must-drive-us-on-today/?
That’s the FALLON bhoys n ghirl away to paradise
Nephew was in the stadium helping with the display till late last night
BROGAN ROGAN TREVINO AND HOGAN SUPPORTS OSCAR KNOX, MACKENZIE FURNISS AND ANYONE ELSE WHO FIGHTS NEUROBLASTOMA on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 8:43 AM
Who is up for the Rangers/ Sevco/ Newco / Shoe horn into the league co challenge?
£3 for every goal Celtic score ?
Come on, help the homeless while supporting Celtic.
Thanks to all those who have pledged already.
http://ln.is/mydonate.bt.com/fund/m64aj … … … …
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Dunno how the pledge thingy works but Donation made
BTW, are those boots made from real Marijuana ?
I try as much as possible to detach myself from the angst about our Board being complicit in the Hun reincarnation. It is my firm belief that short of boycotting Scottish Soccer completely & thus put ourselves out of business that one way or another a fresh turd of Orange shit was eventually going to arrive in the Premier Division regardless of anything our Board might have done. Yes the Board could issue Statements but that would only lead to other parties issuing counter Statements & even more heightened tensions. If there happens to be violence (hopefully not) who would get blamed & instead of Fac the Act we would have even a more stringent crackdown on our Civil Liberties.
Anyhow the fresh turd is now here accompanied by the old flies and we are obliged to compete against them. Call it a Glasgow Derby or The New Firm or whatever but at the end of the day there is a Football game to be played & hopefully won.
My total & entire concern right now is just winning this game, I’ll think about Barca, 6 in a row, trebles etc when the game is over.
So we have to invite the mob masquerading as the club formerly known as rangers into paradise!
The same flies will be churning out the same sectarian filth and not a word will be said in condemnation, zero action by the law or by the spl or any of the 2 clubs!
Pat Nevin will be up in arms … Hmmmmmm
I was wondering what might happen if a player decided to complain to his captain/ referee then walk off the park in protest at being subjected to sectarain abuse at his place of work. Then a few minutes later another doing the same thing etc., etc.
Would any player have the balls?!
Would something finally have to be done…
BRTH
I wonder if the SPFL had already decided to confer 54 top tier titles, and over 50 Cup trophies, on the Club, which Charles Green formed from a basket of assets in 2012, at the time of the Celtic statement to which you’ve provided a link?
This of course supports 2 strands of the Big Lie, namely, that Sevco is the same,and therefore Scotland’s most successful, club.
You’d have to wonder why this undermining of part of our Club brand goes unchallenged.
Or are the board happy to go along with the lie that we are not?
Disgrace that there is nothing in the programme to challenge the farce that SPFL website makes of the competition in which we play.
I’d’ve published Traverso’s letter in full.
I mean, shouldn’t the programme be used to communicate important information to the supporters?
Hail Hail Jock Stein.
The Tommy Gemmell CSC is on the road again, bound for Paradise.
Leigh won’t be risked.
Expect a record breaking score.
3-0.
London Road CCTV feed. Here they come:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPh1KXA8egU
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 9:24 AM
Is that not a plan everytime the Huns in some form or other visit Celtic Park?
Well I never knew this: apparently Patrick Roberts played for the England under20s against Brazil earlier in the week.
Would appear to be fit and rarin’ to go.
Rip thum a new one Patrick!
HH!!