I’ve dipped in and out of the online debate on Scottish football this week. Can’t believe how much has been written on the new club/same club debate. To what end?
If the boot was on the other foot, and Celtic were liquidated in 2012, my relationship with post-liquidation Celtic would be my business only. I’d have no interest in anyone else’s view on the status of Celtic. I am emotionally invested in Celtic, so would be happy to accept any ‘same club’ theory as fact, and would have no motivation in listening to any contrary view on the matter.
Similarly, under the same scenario, there’s not a ‘Rangers’ fan alive who would consider a scenario, with an insolvency practitioner considering whether to let newly formed Cevco 5088 use the name Celtic for their football team, and conclude: “Yip, that’s the same Celtic that started back in 1888, whether they get permission to call themselves Celtic or not”.
It’s lunacy and an insult to all our intelligence to suggest otherwise. I’ve yet to meet a ‘Rangers’ fan who could tell me with a straight face that they would be calling Celtic the same club under if the situation was reversed. In fact, they have openly admitted they would be filling their boots on the subject.
The critical moment in Craig Whyte’s plan was achieved when Duff and Phelps were appointed as administrators, who would subsequently be in a position not to object to a newco calling itself Rangers, as Airdrieonians administrators and liquidators stopped Airdrie United using the name from 2002 until 2013. Declining to object at Companies House to the use of name was a arbitrary act by an administrator, but it was critical to Whyte’s plan to sell tens of thousands of season tickets.
‘Rangers’ fans, however, can believe what they like, no matter what Uefa wrote. All other football fans will point to this huge liquidation event and hear no more on the matter.
You’re not going to convince one ‘Rangers’ fan, who believes they support the same club that was liquidated, that they are wrong. Why should they deny themselves the history and traditions of their club (OK, I’m at it here, but you know what I mean). Don’t waste your time, you’ll convince no one who doesn’t want to be convinced.
Similarly, if Newco Rangers win 51 of the next 100 titles, and Aberdeen win the other 49, when they recall their remarkable achievements, some Motherwell fan will pop up and say, “Aye, but you let our club die”.
For a century or more, if they survive that long, ‘Rangers’ will pitch up to games and hear “Glasgow Rangers, you let your club die”, up and down the country. Just as you’re wasting your time trying to convince a ‘Rangers’ fan who doesn’t want to be convinced otherwise, the liquidation of Rangers in 2012 will forever be marked when a club with that name takes the field. Forever. It’s not going to stop. Anywhere.
All efforts to expunge this notion from the nation’s consciousness have only raised awareness of the detail of the liquidation.
You and I have been talking about Cognitive Dissonance for a decade. It’s the phenomenon when an individual is caused discomfort by an apparent fact which runs contrary to a cherished belief. It’s what you’re seeing and reading in the sameco coverage, and could have been written for these great times to be a Celtic supporter.
Enjoy the game; serve moderate helpings of Cognitive Dissonance.
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Desertbhoy
Curiouser and curiouser.
That ‘s from Alice in Wonderland, I think.
How appropriate, with all the alernative realities in Scoddish Football.
I’ll say it again.
Stay safe.
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD on 10TH SEPTEMBER 2016 10:42 AM
Today is not about the PLC, today is about the CFC
HH
Today’s the day the teddy bears get their arse kicked
4 – 0 to the good guys
KINGLuBO
Totally agree Big Cup Winners, the site is seriously pissing me off this morning.
Now is not the time for sniping and point scoring and people grandstanding, support your team FFS.
There will be plenty of time for the other stuff when the game is done.
Anyone got a spare ticket ?
Aye lets get behind the team today and tonight not matter the outcome and leave the point scoring and sactimonious posts till tomorrow.
Hatred is a great uniter as has been mentioned its also very volatile. We take the lead early watch to see who’s united in purpose.
No predictions just win win win.
KLV
Colours ~ The Wakes
https://youtu.be/Ak7CGlWjkP8
HH
Griffiths out, not on bench
AURORA B
Today most certainly is about the PLC and their silence.
Im able to see it for what it is, and im not the only one.
You can ignore it if you like.
Celtic
One Celtic
Go to work
Celtic victory
HH
CORKCELT
Sniping…Pointscoring…Grandstanding.
No….Just the truth.
Woke up with a strange melancholic feeling.
Like the last day of the holidays and heavy heart about boarding the plane.
No nerves at all. But a dread of witnessing that shower in the holy ground.
I would be happy to play in a different league. Anywhere.
I find I have no stomach to as much as see a single one of them. Same for the 2previous encounter’s. Tickets refused.
My niece has been desperate for a ticket. She missed out on a season book.
I just called and told her she can use mine. I will take her up in the car.
The Green Man, fine have it your way. I’m not interested in arguing with you. All I care about right now is Celtic winning a game of football.
If you have different priorities then fine, I’ll leave you to it.
Sky Sports Scotland @ScotlandSky 50s50 seconds ago
BREAKING #OldFirm NEWS:
Celtic’s Leigh Griffiths is OUT of the Glasgow Derby with a calf injury.
Moussa Dembele comes in.
Celtic v sevco live updates article up
De Vries, Lustig, Toure, Sviatchenko, Tierney, Bitton, Brown, Forrest, Rogic, Sinclair, Dembele
Rangers: Foderingham, Tavernier, Senderos, Kiernan, Wallace, Barton, Kranjcar, Windass, Garner, Miller, McKay
De Vries starts. Roberts on bench, Gamboa also on bench, No Griff.
Senderos againts Scot Sinclair…mouth watering!!
Bad news about Griff, Will be a miss, up to big Moussa.
KLV
CORKCELT
You see, this is the thing.
There is no argument, its clear as day what is going on.
Its not my principles that can be bought with bigot money.
The PLC dont call it out, they are backing the Hun agenda, however you want to cut the cards.
And…im right as well.
No interest arguing with you….Im telling the truth, nothing more.
HH
We have goals all the way through the team, Griff being out is a blow but unlike last year we’ve have strength and depth in the pool.
Senderos oh ya dancer:))
3 points Celts and a wee slip up by Hearts or Aberdeen and the day is a good one…
Rest In Peace Jock Stein and Wee Oscar, what Celtic is all about.
When you pull on that jersey….
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD
Do you get paid by the word or by the hour??
Apologies if this has already been asked but what does it say in today’s programme about Sevco? The club programme always includes relevant background information about our opponents and I expect no different this time.
For four years the plc/board has sat on the fence but now is the day to state publicly that we welcome the new club to our stadium for the first time and we show their history and honours from 2012. Anything else would be a total cop-out and would confirm to me, once and for all, that the club not only condones the big lie but is up to its neck in it.
So today is actually more than a football match as sometimes there are things in life bigger than 22 guys kicking a leather ball about the park. Today was our (last?) opportunity to stand up for honesty and integrity in the game. I just hope we haven’t bottled it – again.
Starry Plough
If it was by the word….id have at least 50 million quid:)
I want the bhoys to dislocate and destroy the Huns, make no mistake about that.
Dont mean im happy about the bigot con though.
Like yourself, i refused a ticket….and im glad i did.
HH
In situ Bar Cupido piazza curtatone lucca. Looks like game on. Was in Barga yesterday. Bar PaoloGas all set. Forza the hoops…
THE GREEN MAN SAYS SACK THE BOARD
We’ve a job to do the day, the rest can wait.
I didn’t refuse a ticket by the way, my days of being able to afford to watch Celtic are long gone:((
Whether I would have been there today is a question for another day:))
Unite As Celts Worldwide
HH
Starry Plough
No worries.
Defeat the Huns first.
HH
David Tanner….AAAAArrrrrghhhhh
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