When Tony Mowbray was in charge of Celtic the club wrote to the SFA regarding the standard of refereeing in Scotland almost on a weekly basis. The outcome of this correspondence was not constructive, if anything, some at the Association hardened their stance.
A lot has subsequently happened.
Yesterday’s Sunday Mail referred back to Celtic’s dialogue with the SFA during Mowbray’s tenure, which I found interesting. Soon after, when a referee was found to have lied to Neil Lennon (and his supervisor), the association were vulnerable. Wounds opened at that time which have not healed.
The ‘paper suggested Peter Lawwell is “Driven, obsessively controlling, politically statute, manipulative. A master of the dark arts. There’s nothing he won’t do to get Celtic what they want. No-one he won’t attempt to control to get it”.
Quite a character assassination. I wonder what they’re worried about?
We are also told that our chief exec has “An over-arching influence on every facet of the Scottish game. He could have had a crack at sorting it for everyone. But no. That wouldn’t have sold any season tickets, would it?”
Those of you who bought a season ticket on the back of Peter Lawwell’s letter must feel the club went to extraordinary lengths to win your business. The article shared the fantasy many football fans have that Peter Lawwell being on the SFA board means Peter Lawwell controls the SFA. He doesn’t, but he is a formidable advocate of reform.
So what are they worried about? From my perspective, pretty much everything. The old ways were liquidated, we’re living in times with only one Super Power. The old ways are gone and they are never coming back.
Calls for Peter Lawwell to resign from the SFA board because he “wouldn’t recognise the greater good” are laughable. Those who interpret subtext will know this reads ‘Lawwell is an animated asker of difficult questions’.
What started five years ago with DVDs arriving at Hampden showing Robbie Keane yards onside has gotten a whole lot more serious, and personal, judging by the sustained attack on our CEO. If you think this is about Celtic writing a letter about a referee decision a week ago you couldn’t be further from the truth.
Never try to manipulate a master of the dark arts.
This year’s CQN Golf Open will be held on Friday 24 July at Aberdour Golf Club. This is our 11th annual event and looks set to be a cracker once again. We shall be raising funds for one of our nominated charities and there will be a number of fundraising activities both on the day and in the weeks leading up to the event.
Please keep an eye open for details. Cost for the golf day is £80 including the meal at night. There are a limited number of night time places for non-golfers, cost £45.
To apply for a place, please contact cqnopen15@gmx.co.uk
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SFTB, thanks for posting the link to RD’s presentation, which was very enlightening and rewarding to watch and listen to. It’s easy to understand the initial problems that he encountered, on starting his post with Celtic, and also easy to understand why his team are now prospering, under his management.
Many of my co-workers are Norwegian, and none of them are surprised by the success that RD is now having in Scotland.
Great choice by our Board!
HH
RIP Orville the Duck
DONTPATMADUG
Alex Hammond?
HH
glendalystonsils
11:08 on
28 April, 2015
I’m not expectorating Blair Spittal to sign for us anytime soon.
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A load of drivel…
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS
11:14 on
28 April, 2015
DONTPATMADUG
Alex Hammond?
Keith Harris
corkcelt
19:50 on
27 April, 2015
Removal of Karen Buckley the wee lass who was murdered in Glasgow taking place to-night, funeral tomorrow. Huge crowds there all day, very very sad.
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sorry if posted before
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/outrage-after-sick-yob-hijacks-5551597
F.A.B. Virgil (WATRC)
10:45 on 28 April, 2015
‘Ernie
If you don’t like a single chamber nor two elected chambers how would you set it up?’
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You’d never design the system that we currently have but it does work quite effectively as a revising chamber and I’ve yet to see a replacement that would work any better.
The problem is that most people haven’t a clue how it works or what it does and base their opinion on an outmoded notion of it being full of the landed aristocracy.
The small hereditary element that’s left is gradually dying off. The pomp and circumstance and fancy dress are just part and parcel of its history, but people can’t see past that.
I’d love to have watched the nats offensive behaviour bollocks legislation progress through the Lords.
Be careful what you wish for.
Just watched the Ronny management video and have to say that it is good a management lecture as I have seen.
Especially where he emphasises values and the careful choice of words to be used when speaking to people and conveying a message.
Vitally important in my view.
I will use some of that in the not too distant future.
Awe Naw
Hmm For a start I refuse to recognise anyone as “our custodians”. That may be a slightly utopian point of view but to me it is a basic.
Celtic the club was never Fergus’ to sell nor Dermot or anyone else’s to buy and so those who run the board of the PLC do so under whatever management style, vision and talent thay have.
They then perform the task with whatever knowledge they have and within the “accepted” rules of engagement that exist in Scottish Football.
Except that I don’t buy any of that especially the accepted rules of engagement with the SFA etc which needs overhawled from head to foot.
I don’t believe in the PLC model and am sick saying it, and believe that as a matter of strategy Celtic were wrong to allow themselves ( the club ) to be paired with Rangers in any shape or fashion as that creates a perspective from others that it takes time to shake off.
I cringe to be honest when I read Paul67 talking about “one superpower” and all that stuff because I don’t think that attitude or midset will get you anywhere in an association of anykind, and to be honest, it is also that same mindset that brings about an automatic and ill considered attitude to a resolution which emanates from your members.
“We didn’t think of that: We are a superpower: We know everything: We will vote against that because we didn’t think of it: If we don’t vote against it we will look daft and as if we haven’t been doing our job:”
How stupid.
Except that when you get into the Lion’s den you realise that people work at Celtic park and in the main they believe that they are doing the right thing for Celtic. However sometimes they conflate Celtic PLC ( their employer and a company with certain KPI’s targets and goals ) and Celtic the club or even Celtic the movement.
In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the two are different and separate.
To be fair, with Res 12, once ” The board” realised that there might be others who know more than they do and did, who might have a tactic and a few bits of nous that could take this forward then they were all ears and withdrew their daft and Pavlov’s Dog like reticence.
In the last few years I have sat at meetings and heard some of the most surprising people bluntly point out where things at Celtic park are way off an acceptable mark.
The catering. Toilets in the South stand. PR. The way that questions from the press are answered. The lack of knowledge about cartain financial values and worths. The cashflow trend in the accounts.
On and on it goes from people with brains, a certain moral and ethical stance, some business and social standing and to be honest a positive outlook and who praise a lot that is good before developing an argument about what they would want to see changed.
In the past year some of those things have been taken on board.
I stress that the suggestions and the dialogue has not come from me but from others. Unfortunately I am too engaged in other things by necessity to be able to devote as much time as I would like to things Celtic and today ( when I am at home ) is an exception.
If you look at any set of management job adverts you will see all sorts of buzz words and phrases:
” Must be an advocate for change” ” An innovator” and the likes.
I read a job advert the other day which was published by a multinational business and I honestly had no idea what it was talking about, what kind of person it wanted to hire and what kind of job was on offer. Not a clue.
The point I am trying to make is that I don’t look at the management of Celtic PLC or any of the individuals involved through green tinted spectacles.
In fact, if anything I am more often critical than praising, but that criticism tends to focus on individual projects and practices rather than on any broad ethos or stance and comes from the perspective that I personally would do this or that in the way that it is being done and that I would have a different outlook.
But heyI know I am pretty opinionated and that in a team enterprise sometimes you have to give others their head and let them manage in their way.
You also have to trust. Sometimes and in some things I do, sometimes and possibly more often I don’t.
What should matter to the PLC board is not whether I trust more often than not but do the shareholders as a whole trust.
Sadly, the shareholders trusting is not necessarily the same thing as the support trusting and given the current structure the best practice for the board to aim for is to try and gain the trust of both knowing that on occasion that is bound to fail.
If I rules the world …… things would be different.
Earnie!!
Dear oh Dear you confuse a few sentences with a detailed and thought through proposal.
The expenses, alternative to the Lords and the limitation of time in the commons can all be argued through in detail as to the wrongs and rights ….. but not on here.
All I was pointing out was that we can all bash our keyboards and vote for more of the same poor governance by a different set of faces weraing different coloured ties or we can actually get off our butts and seek progressive and radical change by challenging all that is accepted stoically and repeatedly.
Perpetual revolution in all things.
And I am feeling a fair bit better thanks for asking!
beatbhoy
09:35 on
28 April, 2015
Salivating at the prospect of signing Spittal.
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Weh hey!!!!
“The problem with this country is there’s not nearly enough anarchy.”
BRTH
I couldn’t agree more.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma
11:22 on 28 April, 2015
I don’t think anyone could possibly have confused your post with a detailed and thought through analysis.
The problem is that we now have a professional political class, full time career politicians with no hinterland (as Dennis Healey used to call it). Tinkering with processes or changing the seat of government isn’t going to change that.
The one area of mainstream political life in the UK that is still comparatively free of the professional politician is, ironically enough, the House of Lords.
Be careful what you wish for.
Glad to hear you’re on the mend. It was probably the lamb bhuna what helped.
Ernie
If I’m reading right you agree that a second chamber is good and that political patronage is the best way to fill it?
If that is the case why not reform by booting out the hereditary element rather than waiting for them to die off? Do they not get replaced by the next in line?
HH
F.A.B. Virgil there you are a perfectly clear answer to your perfectly clear question. H H Hebbcelt
A second chamber st Holyrood is a must, if we are to have a proper legislative devolved government in Scotland.
The shambles of corroboration, a ‘gun-totting’ Scottish National Police Force, the scandal of 240,000 FE places down the drain, the discredited and unworkable OB Act, the dangerous and intrusive Guardian Act – all these incoherent and intellectually bankrupt proposals were ‘nodded through’ by a committee system stuffed full of SNP placemen/women, who have been warned not to ‘rock the boat’ on pain of being deselected ‘next time round’
The crass partisan ‘shouting down’ of Professor Adam Tomkins by committee convener Christina McKelvie (a shelf-stacker operating light years above her pay grade) was a sickening example of a system that is not fit for purpose.
In Westminster, nearly half of all the important standing committees are headed by opposition chairmen.
After this I am leaving the computer alone as my eyes are hurting.
Earnie
Don’t get me wrong the Lords as a review body plays a valuable role when scrutinising and questioning proposed legislation.
The OB act could have done from a good kicking from a second chamber.
Further, the existing lords tends to throw up more political rebels from time to time because the whip system if far less stringently applied and that is a good thing.
It also has many good people from all sorts of different walks of life who have valuable contributions to make and who, as you say, are not career politicians.
Nor are they necessarily hereditary landed gentry,
I get all of that and would keep a lot of it.
However, there are other aspects of the second or review chamber that I would change but the detail will have to wait for the moment.
I hope the quotes in the media are untrue & pray to high heavens we don’t sign this Spittal fella. I heard he’s a bogey!
mr pastry
Outstanding post.
Mr Pastry
11:40 on
28 April, 2015
I heard an interesting take on the FE places going down the drain. From a lecturer at an FE college (I forget which one i’m afraid).
The places that are being cut are mostly for single day and half day courses that are designed to get people out the house but don’t do anything to enhance job prospects the example she gave was a 3 hour course on “Understanding Social Media”.
She said these look good for the college in terms of community engagement etc but are often organised on an ad hoc basis and more than once she’d been pulled away from her full time students to take them leaving the students on study time.
She said they’re not cutting useful ‘proper’ education places.
I’m completely open to debate on this but from somebody working in the sector it seemed very much like it was being spun to the nth degree by the opposition. I also accept the commenter may not have been totally neutral.
Reading about the heavy snowfalls throughout Scotland as we head into May,spare a wee thought for WEEFRA’s wee lambs-running about trying to keep warm and begging their maw for a lenna their coat.
Also spare a thought for those in Nepal who are having to sleep rough in much worse conditions while the UK sends aid of 8p per person to help.
Every little helps. Knock off the first and last letter.
BRTH,
Cheers for yer reply to my question.
Hail Hail.
I have now watched the whole of the Ronny Deila lecture (link @8:24) and , as I suspected would be the outcome, I strongly recommend that ALL CQNers watch an excellent 40+ minutes of insight into Ronny`s way of Management.
Above everything else, Ronny comes over as a very decent man. It would take the worse kind of journalist to twist Ronny`s honesty into something which attempts to undermine our Manager.
JJ
MR PASTRY
WEEMINGER
IMO too many people are being educated beyond their ability to learn. A direct result of there being an insufficient number of jobs available for young people.
Not much point in having a diploma or even a degree if you are in perpetual debt as a result,and employers aren’t interested in it in the first place.
Mr Pastry @11.40hrs.
Good post.
However who would pay for this second Scottish chamber. ?
Still I suppose the Scottish government could comfortably pay for it with the £444 m underspend.
HH.
Blair Spittal a Bogey what does that mean
TIMBHOY2
Play on words re his surname.
Just watched the Ronny video, the man has some substance about him. Hopefully we are seeing the benefit of this attitude with the likes of Leigh Griffiths, James Forrest etc…
I’m sure Spittal would jump at the chance to join this gland old team.
GEORDIE MUNRO et al
I’m grateful this site wasn’t around when we signed a certain Brazilian (alleged) centre-half!
The boy Spittal can fair dribble wi the baw
Watched the Ronny video.
Very impressed with the man. I am not a football coach or have been involed in the game at his level so what he is saying regarding mental tiredness and various other things to do with man management in football players but I can equate it back to my own world and my own job. What Ronny says makes sense.
Does it work in football? He has proved it can in Norway.
I think the intial problems Ronny faced in Scotland is natural reaction to change which is to repel it.
One thing I hadn;t factored in was that Ronny arrived at Paradise alone. He is here in a strange country e has never previously worked in with no support, what I mean is he did not have somene he knew and trusted to lean on. That is highly unusual for a football manager. They usually come with a team. MON came with effctively two assistant gaffers and is own backroom team. WGS had his trusted lieutenants. Neil Lennon had his coaching staff who were men he trusted.
Ronny arrived with nobody. He built up vey quick bromance with John Collins. The two of them have very close philosophies and clearly had a similar outlook on football.
Now it would appear that John Kennedy is a major part of the coaching team. When I see the touchline on TV it is Ronny and John Kennedy who are discussing the next moves or possible substitions. Does that mean that JC is not as important as JK? No. Clearly not. It means that Ronny has now defined their roles and is using these guys as he sees fit to suit their abilities and stregnths. Ths has clearly taken him time Why? Because he had team to get fit and buy into his philosophy, he had to settle in a new country, he had to get used to managing a club where the demands on his time in a day far outstripped anything he had experienced before, he pobably missed his children.
It was a lot of change for him and he did it alone. It had never really crossed my mind before. Maybe it was his choice maybe it wasn’t.
I agree with BRTH though. As for as a management/leadership presentation it is very impressive and I have been on many.
The man himself though is driven, focused, has a philosoph, he is clever but most of all he has heart. He has it in abundance and it came across through his 40 minute session.
What he did at his previous club as touhed on too and can see why Leigh Griffiths is now flourishing. Ronny likes an unpolished diamond.
Very impressed by our gaffer.
Not often you get that leve of insight into a football manager.
Excellent stuff.
LB
Spittal’s no a bad player but he’s a bit gobby.
I stumbled across the Ronny lecture video on you tube at the time he joined us. So if its been up there that long how come the only film we ever saw of him on TV was the one baring his a*** when he won the league?
Sorry but the proposed signing of spittal just sticks in my throat …
Hatcoat ..
GLENDALYSTONSILS
Well,it is a town beside Tweedmouth…
Armstrong …gms….shifty….rooney and now a 19teen year old Spittal…..depriving other teams of their star players….very very souness like !!!!..money is needed to be spent on this current team…..buying on the cheap takes you nowhere….RD wont be around to develop these youngsters.
F.A.B. Virgil (WATRC)
11:35 on 28 April, 2015
I think a second, subsidiary chamber is necessary to revise legislation.
Anyone who has seen how Holyrood acts would understand that.
The problem with electing a second chamber is that it’s then competing with the first chamber over democratic legitimacy. It also means that the members are subject to party discipline and so lose their independence.
What you have to remember is that the primary purpose of a second chamber is to revise legislation, not to make policy, and the second chamber cannot overrule the first. Once you grasp that the apparent absence of a democratic mandate is not so objectionable.
So if members aren’t elected you’re left with them either being hereditary or appointees. I’d phase out the hereditary element but keep the appointed one.
The system works, more or less, so why change it for something that might well be worse for the electorate but better for the political parties (because it gives them more control)?
new article posted.
johann murdoch
12:28 on 28 April, 2015
‘Sorry but the proposed signing of spittal just sticks in my throat …’
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That’s only to be expectorated.