Yesterday’s win at Fir Park was huge for Celtic’s season but we should caution against talk of a corner being turned. The team possessed the resilience (and Irish magician) to come from behind and beat the team who were second in the league, but we have been here before.
The Motherwell goal will cause Neil Lennon particular concern. After losing a goal to an early corner kick against Rennes on Thursday, it seems impossible to believe that the team switched off at another corner kick, but only Beram Kayal was alert to the threat of Motherwell taking a short corner, and he was already covering a threat.
Organisational discipline is as important as having better players to the outcome of many football games.
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Still seething over RIchmond’s cheating on sunday.
Watching the youngster’s against Man city only compounded my feelings.
We have skill in abundance in this young team but they trained to play Pele’s beautiful game which has long since been made redundant in the best wee bigoted country in the world.
Perhaps Celtic could do some research on titanium body armour that would enable some of our youngsters to participate in the spl?
McGeough and George look special and the just brilliant.
Hope we escape our polluted environment so these guys get to play the beautiful game in a Celtic jersey.
The Battered Bunnet says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:40
Good Point,I of course overlooked the fact we already have that Section populated by the Bored ( pun intended ).
The video (see link below) was on Scotland Tonight last night although this version has been cut and edited
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Despite SPL success, Rangers face unprecedented off the field challenges. Scotland Tonight’s David Marsland looks at the tax case could threaten the very existence of the Ibrox club.
Rangers may be defeating all-comers in the SPL this season, but off the field, the Ibrox club is facing unprecedented challenges.
Monday saw the recommencement of Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs’ tax case against the club, a move which could potentially threaten Rangers very existence.
Rangers will deny they are in crisis, but everywhere you look, something seems to be going wrong.
Goalkeeper Grant Adam appeared in court over a sectarian breach of the peace charge – he pled not guilty.
The club’s repeatedly claimed some sections of the media are biased against them.
But the biggest problem, is Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs – The Tax Man.
Accountant John Cairns explains: “There is the chance of HMRC pursuing this quite vigorously, because we have a high profile tax payer here in Rangers Football Club, in the same way that many years ago they pursued Lester Piggot and Ken Dodd.”
Rather like the weather in Glasgow on Monday it is all a bit murky, but at a secret location somewhere in Scotland, Rangers were summoned before a tax tribunal, over the way some players were paid from the ’90s through a system called Employee Benefit Trusts.
Mr Cairns adds: “It’s a situation where, individuals are put in charge of assets belonging to someone else, so they become the legal custodians. So the employee benefit trusts is something separate from Rangers Football Club. Probably set up offshore…”
Instead of getting salaries, players were effectively loaned their wages through the trusts. Theoretically they’d be due to pay it back some time after retirement. That way, they only paid tax on the interest of the loan. In some cases as low as 2% of their earnings, rather than 40%.
The club gets corporation tax relief by paying into a trust, and does not have to pay national insurance contributions.
It was perfectly legal, at the time, if it was managed properly.
Mr Cairns said: “It’s all very fine and well having a plan to do something, but, if you don’t carry out the steps correctly, then HMRC have certainly a chance of overturning it and clawing back the relief claims.”
The club could be hit with a bill just under £50m, forcing Rangers into administration, and leaving them liable for a points reduction that could see them plummet down the league.
So all the success on the pitch this season could be lost, because of what happened off it.
This report by David Marsland appeared in Monday night’s Scotland Tonight. You can watch studio discussion with football writer Graham Spiers and John Macmillan from the Rangers Supporters’ Association in the video
STV Video
Darryl King there doing a stunning job of putting the “Rangers Case” on Talksport.
There were so many half-truths and pieces of disinformation in that report just then that I don’t even know where to start.
But how about this one. This is about retrospective justice after the closing of a loophole last year.
What? Really?
Or this one. Rangers are being used as a test case which might affect English clubs … and so by definition everyone down there should be rooting for the boys in the blue …
Seriously … Rangers don’t need to hire PR. All that stuff is done for them free of charge.
No wonder they slipped and called him “the correspondent for Rangers …”
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:44
Big Nan says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:32
keep pushing the message ghuys.
A Question
The three points we dropped to them this season does anyone know if will we get them back when they go into administration
david hay-see previous page,heard them mate.
Dan@11.10am
Re Estadio’s earlier story about Tait and Jock,you are correct it was Syme. I knew the young Syme and his many friends ( my early career as a young man in my 20’s mixed with them )and can confirm that they really hated Celtic Football Club with a passion.It was beyond rivalry and,if truth be told,came close to my own loathing of The Rangers and all that they stood/stand for.
Tait= Tate!!
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:44
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You mention Bougherra’s tackle on Hooper – think back a few games before that, when he basically stalked Robbie Keane all through the game, putting him in the air on countless occasions. Eventually booked after 70-80mins. Disgraceful.
HH
Giggs
South Of Tunis says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:35
“Jim White allegedly saw nothing wrong with his dog using that back court as a toilet.”
He had a dog at home but he kept a bull in his workplace.
cmon guys
do you really believe that the huns 3 in a row is down to dodgy refs?
last year we had a penalty at ipox with about 20 mins to go we missed that penalty
a week later we got beaten in the highlands
2 opportunities to clinch the title that we turned down
nuffing to do with dodgy refs
South Of Tunis says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:35
Remember the story about Jim White buying a large take-away in an Indian restaurant then discovering he had no money. He promised the boy at the check-out he would return that night with the cash. Several weeks later and still no Jim so the boy had to pay for Jim’s free meal out of his wages. Only when the story appeared in the press did White come across with the cash.
Giggsybhoy
He was actually booked for his first challenge then continued to do the same with impunity for rest of game.
His wink to the bench after his 7th said it all.
GiggsyBhoy says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:59
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:44
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You mention Bougherra’s tackle on Hooper – think back a few games before that, when he basically stalked Robbie Keane all through the game, putting him in the air on countless occasions. Eventually booked after 70-80mins. Disgraceful.
Bougherra was booked in less than 2mins – he then proceeded 2 commit at least 6 more tackles through the back of Robbie and even winked to Weir after a particularly bad one. Dougie Dougie was the ref.
B/Kev at 11.32 -we welcome the face.
GiggsyBhoy says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:59
Was that not the game when Dougie-Dougie booked Bougherra early on only for the Moroccan to foul RK another seven times without a card being shown?
I have said it before many times, and will keep repeating it.
Had we won in Inverness, they would have made sure we lost somewhere else.
We are being systematicly defrauded, cheated if you like.
Sort the referees, sort the problem
James Forrest is Lennon says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:53
Aye it looks like King is the trying to blur the issue while at the same time gather support for the tax dodgers he knows and so do the rest of the laptop loyal that a guilty verdict for RFC at the tribunal will effectively mute their careers bring about the death of the term Old Firm and leave them in the postion of having to say for once in their pathetic parochial lives that this time one part of the OF is definitely not as bad as the other
the exiled tim
i have said it before as well
if we had decent players we would have won the title
a penalty at ipox with 20 minutes to go? and 2 or 3 games to go and we missed that penalty
yees are kidding yerselves on, wherether or not ye said it before
GiggsyBhoy says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:59
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
8 November, 2011 at 11:44
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You mention Bougherra’s tackle on Hooper – think back a few games before that, when he basically stalked Robbie Keane all through the game, putting him in the air on countless occasions. Eventually booked after 70-80mins. Disgraceful.
HH
Giggs
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2010 Never Again
Yea I know…..there’s also the assault on McManus with the cheekie chappy giving the big thumbs up from the sidelines and countless others as well.
The Club will be derelict in it’s duties if we don’t highlight the kind of cowardly tackles we are talking about.
Like I said the other day on here. We cannot even ask the question of referees or they straight away pull out a card. Beram Kayal being the classic example. Booked for asking the question on why it was alright for a player to tred on his face.
We will soon lose a player to permanent injury if this is allowed to continue. The evidence is there.
It’s time to go after these insidious, cheating, corrupt MIB
Having just watched the STV “talk” on the situation at Der Hun I have to say … the notion of Craig Whyte as a Fergus McCann type had me shouting at the screen. Craigy was “the only one who stepped up” … aye, and we know why.
It’s that old analogy that “when the fox hears the rabbit scream he comes running … but not to help.”
Course he stepped up. If I had £18,000,001 sitting around and I knew they were desperate I might have stepped in myself.
The conduct of this guy since the takeover should have opened their eyes wide. That they are still largely blind is unreal.
Will be interesting to see when and which SPL game richmond is next wheeled out for.
This is a guy who, at the height of the Dougie, Dougie stuff came on to Shortbread and claimed he did not know why he had been dropped and was getting no communication from the ref’s authorities.
Clearly he has much to do to curry favour with his bosses, He started on Sunday.
Time for Lawwell, if serious about sorting out the SFA, to insist that refs reports, or at least markings, are published after very game. We will either have loads below 7.9 ( the failure mark) pr, more sinisterly, a lot of 10.0 for perfection. suspect Richmond may have got the higher score from his bosses after the most incompetent performance I have seen in many a long year.
Darryll= Deluded..as much use as a chocolate ashtray on a motorbike!
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) says:
8 November, 2011 at 12:03
cmon guys
do you really believe that the huns 3 in a row is down to dodgy refs?
last year we had a penalty at ipox with about 20 mins to go we missed that penalty
a week later we got beaten in the highlands
2 opportunities to clinch the title that we turned down
nuffing to do with dodgy refs
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2010 Never Again
I’m sorry we will have to disagree.
If you don’t think the MIB contribute significantly to who wins the SPL then I am truly amazed.
If you do think there is a level playing field then once again I am simply astounded.
One thing that I noticed about the game on Sunday, the time that was given to Motherwell after Clancy was sent off. Richmond allowed McCall to make two substitutions when they were not even ready. If this was us it would have been get the game on again as quick as possible and maybe after 5 min I’ll let you make a change
gsu
Re Hooper it seems to be a very common tactic for wee hoops to get done from behind in the opening minutes of every game,with opposing managers hopeful that the ref wont splash the yellow card early doors..maybe this explains Hoops apparent loss of form recently?
tamrabam:
Sometimes I despair of people on here. I’m with you. We lost it on our own. I absolutely don’t buy, at all, into this defeatist “We would never have been ALLOWED to win it” garbage. If we’d come out of the traps early in those games and scored three times I defy anyone to say it would have been taken away from us.
We lost it ourselves, pure and simple. The chasing refs is a smokescreen for the real problems, the systemic ones which send us to Inverness again in a few days without a target man and a physical midfield.
Refs have sod all to do with this. Until we get our own house in order, everything else is a waste of time. Even the problems at Rangers are not half as bad as they might be for them because we’re in dire straits.
Get our OWN house fixed and we’ll be in a position of strength to go after everyone, and then we will win all the big battles.
Right now, we’re the second placed team in a rotten two team league. Not much of a starting point for revolution.
THE EXILED TIM says:
8 November, 2011 at 12:08
2 Points stolen from us at Hamilton,huns win league by one.
fritzsong @12 03 .
I remember a red top rag of a Scottish Sunday running a wee story claiming that Jim White had been threatened and spat upon after a game at Celtic Park Jim was allegedly so stressed by the incident that he had, ever so regretfully, to cancel his appearance at a charity do for children .
Allegedly the ——-
Story died a quick death when said Red Top Rag was bombarded with reports from people who were willing to attest that poor Jim’s stress hadn’t prevented him spending hours in a boozer on Byres Rd when he should have been at the charity function .
1026 FOOTBALL: St Mirren’s Kenny McLean has been named young player of the month for October in the Scottish Premier League.
Who?
LB
Why don’t we sign Marco Materazzi?
Surely a guy with his experience is exactly what we need just now? If only to teach the young defenders at the club some old tricks.
To say the refs have sod all to do with why we lost is only true in part.
They have gathered a fair few points for the other mob this season already, most notably at Pittodrie.
They are not solely responsible but they play their part.
Celtic need to be much better than everyone else to take their influence out of the equation.
The refereeing on Sunday could have cost us that match BUT it is the first time this season where the referee’s performance came into the equation other than the Udinesse match and the non penalty.
Do not be kidded, referees have had an adverse effect on our title hopes in the last 3 years but thankfully the biggest culprit outed himself as a cheat and a liar.
There are others who need watching and removed from the top flight but whether they are cheating or simply poor is open to debate.
VP- You are right,but playing 1 up front against the bottom team in the league was ridiculous IMO.
Malone19:
We asked him, but he doesn’t understand our zonal marking system …
… or why we persist with it.
I’m Neil Lennon (tamrabam) at 12:03
And no doubt Hamilton’s goal early in the new year last season that was 3 to 4 yards offside was just an honest mistake, yet the same linesman was able to spot our corner right at the end of the game go out of play and come back in before Stokes headed home.
Those 2 points “dropped” would also have made the difference but something else would have just happened to cause us problems.
Had Sammi scored the penalty, Rangers would have got one straight away to even things up.
Mort
For all his undoubted defects as a human being ole Jim White does seem to get to spend an awful lot of time on the ole TV with the kind of eye candy that’s usually seen promenadin’ with ole Mr Johnny Clash.
Tamrabam
I’m somewhat torn. I agree with you and applaud that most basic point – it’s up to us to win it and the main obstacles are to be found on our own doorstep. Meanwhile I also think Imatim is correct (which is why I’m so torn, because he’s an imbecile) to make the point that aggressive tactics affect our results more than they do other teams – we are after all the only team in the league who consistently attempts to play something resembling progressive football. We shouldn’t have to wait for a pragmatist like O’Neil to come along to give us the edge, our football should hold up on it’s own merits.
Broadly speaking, and ignoring the maddies who think it’s a conspiracy, it’s a big part of the problems that affects all of Scottish football, from Celtic, to the youngsters coming through, to those going on to other leagues and ultimately the national team and European results – what passes for a tackle in Scotland doesn’t pass for a tackle in other leagues, even in England. The culture of aggressive football ensure no-one hangs onto the ball and we never learn composure and awareness – there’s no need for that when you know what you’re limited options are and that any digression from those will result in injury or abuse.