Organisational indiscipline remains a concern


Yesterday’s win at Fir Park was huge for Celtic’s season but we should caution against talk of a corner being turned.  The team possessed the resilience (and Irish magician) to come from behind and beat the team who were second in the league, but we have been here before.

The Motherwell goal will cause Neil Lennon particular concern.  After losing a goal to an early corner kick against Rennes on Thursday, it seems impossible to believe that the team switched off at another corner kick, but only Beram Kayal was alert to the threat of Motherwell taking a short corner, and he was already covering a threat.

Organisational discipline is as important as having better players to the outcome of many football games.

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  1. “There wasn’t really a reason why I didn’t go back to Scotland, it really wasn’t down to me.



    The way it was done wasn’t proper – and that is it. James McFadden



    Lucky Escape for CSC

  2. bournesouprecipe says:


    7 November, 2011 at 13:52



    agree, maybe the players we have just arent up to understanding the system, maybe the system isnt being communicated properly, or maybe they understand but dont have the talent to carry out the orders. it cant be the system itself – arsenal used it to go an entire system unbeaten in the epl, there intelligent football coaches who do thsi for a living who stick by it. either way a change is needed for us today, man to man might not be the system du jour but it has to be an improvement on what we’re doing at the moment.



    hope you’re well by the way

  3. As of 12:58, Adams the keeper was still in the cells.



    Interestingly, it would appear that he fully thought that Steve Davis was going to be in there with him!!! Wonder if there is more to come on this?

  4. bournesouprecipe says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:19



    :O) I take it you got a knock back,you would have eaten your wages every week.

  5. Regarding the defence’s failure to come out quickly, Neil could be quite clearly seen shouting to Dan, I think – ‘It’s your job’.



    What was equally perturbing was James Forrest’s uncertainty at what to do. His job is obviously to stand at the edge of the penalty area to prevent any shots resulting from a corner.



    Yesterday a Motherwell player moved into the box to his right and James did not know whether to follow him or stay. He kept looking for someone to tell him what to do.



    There did not appear to be anyone advising him either.



    By the way if we had been given the first corner of the game which we were denied maybe we would have been ahead and the course of the game may have changed.



    Árd Macha

  6. Correct me if I am wrong but as soon as an opponent “enters your zone” (matron!) you then go to man to man with that opponent? That is the way I was taught in basketball.



    From what I have seen so far this season we seem to be using a mixture of zonal and man marking – the 3 in a line, 2 on the posts, 1 or 2 short and the other players matching the movement of the floaters.

  7. Aquarius, Libra, Leo, Cancer





    Float, float on


    Float on, float on


    Float, float, float on


    Float on, float on



    ..and then pick the ball out of the ole onion net.

  8. I thought it was a terrible decision to have Keith Lasley in the Sportscene studio last night. I assume he was pre booked in advance for the gig.



    I am not claiming bias against Celtic or anything but the fact of the matter was the biggest talking point of the game was the fact that Motherwell kicked us up and down the pitch (again) and Lasley himself was the culprit in many occasions.



    I fully believe that if there was any other studio guest, then the after match discussion would have been around the tackles and the lack of bookings but this wasn’t mentioned.



    Oh and whilst I am on a rant, why was Mark Hately in the ESPN studio – was he the Motherwell representative.??? I actually think his boy is not bad a player – would be interesting to see how Attila the whitehaired would cope if his boy signed for Celtic

  9. BSR



    2 days ago



    5mins remaining NUFC v Everton



    EFC 2-1 down



    James McFadden gets the baw 20yrds out wide right



    fanes to cross it with his right(?)



    checks back inside the defender, wins a little time n space, nicely done



    St James’ crowd on edge of seat



    EFC coachin staff way out in technical area in anticipation



    commentator voice in ever-increasing tone



    the bold Jim, a recent substitute, sees the headlines



    whips the ball high wide n not so handsome over the head of


    his ragin team-mates who had burst a gut to get up in attack


    for the equaliser



    had targetted the far top corner of Tim Krul’s net






    should’ve passed it or put it on a plate


    for the other “strikers”



    StJames’ crowd roar in sarcastic derision



    relief for them, frustation seething out of Davie M



    such is the life of a footballer, at times

  10. Who would win in a fight between The Famous Five and The Secret Seven?



    The Secret Seven have the advantage of numbers, but The Famous Five have a vicious attack dog.



    Plus, unlike the obscurantist septuple, they’re famous. (thumbsup)

  11. The Battered Bunnet on

    If Lasley had been pre booked in advance for his gig on Sportscene, it goes someway to explaining Richmond’s reluctance to book him again.

  12. The Battered Bunnet on




    The Three Investigators would win hands down every time.




  13. celtic40me



    Thanks for asking, I’m good, and sure you are too. ( We won ;-) )



    I think as you suggest it’s a combination of things, and there are better teams and players than Celtic use it, as has been so clearly well posted, by yourself, and others.



    The back four is not right in personnel, or format and at the moment it’s makeshift, and has to change for every single consecutive game.



    A temporary unsettled back four will show flaws, in any type of system, whether we have the right coaching staff to gel a back four, and a team


    remains to be seen, with another season in flux.



    Hail Hail

  14. The Spirit of Arthur Lee on




    Scamper the golden spaniel was in the Secret Seven books.



    Woof woof

  15. MadraRua says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:08






    Zonal marking is for marking pylons. You go to a zone and you stand there waiting for the corner, and even if you have a man come into your zone you have no chance of doing a proper marking job when he is running and jumping and you cannot even get airborn because of your flat footed stance.



    Man to Man marking is the only way to go! You attack the ball the same way your man is and therefore you want to get there first or impede your mark in getting there.




  16. The Battered Bunnet – I was going to mention them, but they were based in California so might have difficulty getting over for the rumble.



    If they did, I’m sure Jupiter Jones would put a bit of stick about, he was a big lad.



    I wanted my business cards to say “???” but HR demurred. (thumbsup)

  17. The Spirit of Arthur Lee – Scamper the golden spaniel was in the Secret Seven books.



    Who will your money be on when it all kicks off?



    A golden spaniel called “Scamper” whose hobbies include squeak toys and being kidnapped?



    Or a Kestrel-drinking devil dug called Timmy? (thumbsup)

  18. The Battered Bunnet says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:45



    Jupiter Jones……………..bliddy ell ,that bring back memories.

  19. TopCorner



    I think we were sceptical of his injury record, and ‘pay as you play’ was the only deal in town.



    Our obsession with everything other than Row Z defenders is unhealthy ( Bolo Zenden? )




  20. Paul67 et al



    Craig Burley has been at the ESPN helm for the last two Celtic games. He noted that the goal Rennes scored was similar to the goals lost against Rangers at Ibrox and Athletico Madrid away. Rennes knew exactly what we were going to do at the early corner, or rather what we were not going to do. They had four or was it five players, all tall, grouped in the ‘D’ who moved into attack when the corner was taken, while we had our three tallest players rooted to the six yard line, not a challenge amongst them. Good goal from the Rennes point of view, in that their tactics worked. Ours didn’t. On the Motherwell goal Burley did not really blame Mathews, but blamed the fact that Celtic did not defend the short corner. We needed two players out there but only had one, Cha I think, Forrest should have joined him, or ordered out there. I know Craig Burley is not everybodies cup of tea, but he can be a good analyst, on tv or radio. My main problem is us losing the first goal, worse if it is an early goal.

  21. The original Fray Bentos was a Jesuit missionary. FACT.



    The locals named a town in his honour from which is derived the name of the company who provide the world with such a selection of delicious, finest quality tinned beef products and pies.

  22. philvisreturns says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:33


    James Forrest is a cool wee guy. (thumbsup)












  23. Greensideup is also Neil Lennon says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:49



    Thank you, thankyou. Exactly….


    Every punter in the bar I frequent, the majority of them EPL team supporters


    agree. They all have Celtic as there 2nd team, a very common situation in Ireland.


    All have a good idea about the playing of the game having played for years in junior leagues and League of Ireland.


    Not one of them sees the merit of zonal marking, for precisely the reason both you and I have given.

  24. philvisreturns says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:44



    The Famous Five would never win any kind of fight.



    Remember one of the guys was named Julian!!



    Then of course the wee girl was George.



    Shit! Another theory up in smoke!!

  25. The Pantaloon Duck on

    Dontbrattbakkinanger says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:37



    If I remember correctly, the original version was a hit for The Floaters. A fine name for a band. I have no idea if they were regulars at the Ole Burns Howff…

  26. philvisreturns says:


    7 November, 2011 at 14:44


    ‘Who would win in a fight between The Famous Five and The Secret Seven?’




    FF v SS?



    There’s a difference?

  27. Anyways. Greece in crisis and we’re discussing the Famous Five V The Secret Seven?



    I’m away to watch Loose Women.

  28. Our hesitation in not pushing out for their goal is a constant.We make a lot of initial clearances and then seem to hold position for second wave.


    It was also noticeable that we didn’t leave anyone high as an out at corners and free kicks allowing them to return our clearances back into danger zone.


    This might be why we hesitate knowing the next attack is inevitable.

  29. The famous five? The secret seven?






    Radleigh, Cotter, Simpson and Field everytime…..go on the Four Marys



    hail hail




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