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Pyrotechnics are not part of my Celtic experience.  For others, it is an important part.  So much so, that it will not be inhibited by Health & Safety rules or the club being fined.

I cannot say how valid the Health & Safety concerns are, but I have one friend with lung disease who tells me this issue presents a real danger.  Two months ago, a woman and child were injured by a pyro at the Livingston-Newco game.  The same week, a Paranaense fan lost his hand when lighting a device in Brazil.  I expect the rule is in place for valid reasons.

After more than a dozen fines from Uefa, Celtic have closed part of the standing section for Thursday’s Rennes game in connection with the on-going pattern of pyrotechnic use at European games.

The problem with pyrotechnic use at football games comes about because those who bring them – as long as they do not blow their hands off or suffer lung disease – are usually immune to the consequences of their actions.  There is no personal financial, health or reputational damage, those consequences fall on the club.

I have not asked Celtic about yesterday’s action but I know what the view will be, “I will be the one held criminally liable if there is an incident I do nothing to prevent” – was a previous comment on a different matter.

Celtic have held discussions with supporters’ groups, but a supporters’ group can merely influence, not control, what their own members and others do.  Individual fans cannot impose behaviour on other people.

I expect those who insist on setting pyrotechnics off at Celtic games will be fortified by the club’s actions, they are now a cause célèbre.  Don’t expect an introspective reflection on whether or not their actions are beyond reproach.  Place your bets on what happens next, my money is on more of all of this.

Really annoyed at Dave King for abdicating on a day we have Celtic business to prioritise.  Pretty distraught at the news too, we will miss him more than you will ever believe, he has been wonderful.  I doubt the Treble Treble would be possible without him.  Pick up on this tomorrow.

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  1. David66 on

    Adi – 😂Have a beer on me 🍺🍺🍺

     

     

    Current temp in Garngad is a Balmy and scorching 8 degrees, probably only about 40odd degrees in the Dub.

     

    D. :)

  3. bamboo on

    I think Celtic have over-reacted here . We’re very minor offenders on the euro crime scale.

     

    Uefa actually like Celtic and have only been giving us routine slaps-on-the wrist fines.

     

    Its not racism or violence.

     

    It sadly looks like we are just copying The Ranglers and magnifying a mole-hill of a problem.

  4. big wavy on

    Is there a tribe that allows for opposing both the stupidity of the pyro fellas and the board stance on Res12 at the same time ?

     

     

    I’d like to join.

  5. marspapa on

    5 Celtic AGM burning issues facing Peter Lawwell and the board…….

     

     

    This is a headline on News Now…….. Guess which number RES 12 is 😂😂😂😂😂

  8. Hunderbirds are Gone on

    I just tried to have a peek at FF there, to see how the Stickies were taking the King’s abdication. No can do, servers must be melting.

     

    🍀⚽️

  9. Hot Smoked on

    marspapa

     

    After your post, I looked for that article on NewsNow. Is that the one from The Daily Record?

     

    If so, then what could we expect?

  12. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    “Anyone who believes the official narrative that Mr King is stepping down voluntarily having righted the good ship Sevco has not been paying attention”

     

     

    Good on you Phil, the one and only SMSM antidote.

  13. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    “Charlies Europa League Predictions”

     

     

    well there’s a newsnow link we can all ignore :-)

  14. Turkeybhoy on

    King asked Seething and his DOF to give him an “Honest”valuation of the playing staff.You really could not make it up.

     

    Another share issue ?.How many shares can you issue in a company as toxic as this ?We must be in the billions by now.Still the lapdogs,SMSM,and Gullibillies,clap and cheer.

  16. Celtic Mac on

    As a result of military decisions at Army Council level, the Glasgow branch will from now on be referred to as……

     

    The Green Platoon

     

     

    jumpinjackcsc

  18. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    TURKEYBHOY on 26TH NOVEMBER 2019 2:55 PM

     

     

    King asked Seething and his DOF to give him an “Honest”valuation of the playing staff.You really could not make it up,

     

     

    Another share issue ?.How many shares can you issue in a company as toxic as this ?

     

     

    _____________________________________________________________

     

     

     

    Is that not what the going for 55 is all about – 55 share issues? Hope so.

  19. timaloy29 on

    Development team defeated by Brentford B 2-1

     

     

    Seems like a sloppy game.

     

     

    Celtic dominant in the early stages. Brentford score with their first shot on goal. Celtic gave away a penalty and Jack Hendry got himself a straight red.

     

     

    Oko-Flex bagged the equaliser. Assist from O’Connor

  21. KINGLUBO on

    Maybe I’m thick but would someone please tell me exactly, just what the point of pyros please, have I missed something?? I mean , each time the clowns who use them, the Club is fined,would that fine money not be better spent on player recruitment or some other worthy cause.

     

     

    To cheer you up, check this wee choon out

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpr15xJex_U

     

     

     

    KINGLuBO

  24. timaloy29 on

    I completed what’s known as the “Uncle Jeff coefficient”

     

     

    This is where you compare results from identical matches across two seasons with the following 2 caveats:

     

     

    1. Dundee have been relegated and replaced by Ross County.

     

    2. We play the top 6 teams twice home and away. So, for example, I will compare our first trip to Easter Road this season to our first trip there last season. Like for like.

     

     

    Result: Celtic are 5 points better off and +2 goal difference compared to last season’s results.

     

     

    The differences are:

     

     

    1. Last year we drew 1-1 away to Motherwell. We won 5-2 this year.

     

    2. Last year we lost 1-0 at Ibrox. This year we won 2-0.

     

    3. Last year we lost 2-0 at Easter Road. This year we drew 1-1.

     

    4. Last year we drew 0-0 away against Livingston. This year we lost 2-0.

     

     

    I think this shows how we have improved under Neil Lennon and that the Livingston game was a bit of an aberration. The result of a moment of madness from one player.

     

     

    Using the same method, Newco has also improved. 7 points better off and 15 goals better off.

  25. Hot Smoked on

    Let`s say that winning the title is our priority.

     

    Quite obviously, Sevco are our biggest challengers.

     

    So, do we want Sevco to qualify for the KO stages of the EL so as to ensure they do not gain the advantage of a lighter fixture load ?

     

    Or

     

    Do we want to deprive them of any (and very much needed) extra income in the belief that we can handle the extra games and still win the League?

     

     

    Option two for me.

  29. Jimmynotpaul on

    Hot Smoked.

     

    I’ve not heard from him, personally.

     

    However, we follow each other on Twitter and he was his usual, able, self on it, yesterday.

  30. Gene on

    I couldn’t understand why posters had a problem with this site – turn off JavaScript – sorted.

     

    But now log on – refresh – logs you out and doesn’t update when refresh.

     

    And repeat

  34. Rock Tree Bhoy on

    HOT SMOKED on 26TH NOVEMBER 2019 4:51 PM

     

     

    …or option 3,

     

     

    Sevco go bust, Ibrox gets demolished and replaced with a brand new community centre, their fans give up and switch allegiance to ….lets say Partick Thistle,

     

     

    deffo option 3,

     

     

    in the absence of a 3rd option – option 2 :-)

  36. Saint Stivs on

    if there is a league table add up of the total fines given to football clubs by uefa i doubt celtic would be in the top fifty, i bet our co-efficient ranjing us higher than our fines placement.

     

     

     

    in other news, who, anywhere, n andin what state of mind would role up to be the next rangers saviour ?

  37. Hot Smoked on

    JNP

     

    Thanks for that.I emailed him but have not received a reply. Is halitosis transferable on t`internet? :-))

     

     

    Nice to see a healthy dislike of Seco seems to be the default emotion although Rock Tree Bhoy`s scenario , I`m sure, is what the vast majority would really like !

     

    Cheerio for now.

  38. Hot Smoked on

    Saint Stivs

     

    I f they wan to save Rangers, they would need to roll up seven years ago.

     

    Where is that timetraveller who used to post on here? T something, I think.

  40. !!Bada Bing!! on

    Green brigade statement

     

     

    As an ultras group it is inevitable that we will occasionally court controversy or conflict be that through our style of support or indeed our political identity. In spite of this, for over ten years we have maintained a reasonable working relationship with the Club which usually manifests itself by way of regular meetings. Unfortunately, this relationship broke down early in the season when we had the audacity to criticise the Celtic Board for a lack of investment. Although engagement has remained, it has been largely futile and undermined by a breakdown of trust.

     

     

    Throughout our near 15-season existence, we have always accepted responsibility for our actions and ramifications where justified and proportionate. We know that the use of pyrotechnics may bring consequences therefore accept the inevitable sanctions for using it. We regret that any fans outside of our membership should suffer those consequences and point to that being disproportionate and unnecessary. To implement sanctions at 3 days’ notice highlights a blatant disregard for the considerable expense and arrangements some fans undertake to support Celtic. Considering we met with the Club last week to discuss potential sanctions specifically against our Group, the timing and scope of this decision is particularly vindictive. That it comes 2 days before an AGM expected to skirt by fan-led issues like ‘Resolution 12’ serves further cynicism as to its motives.

     

     

    We appreciate that pyrotechnics run the risk of drawing the ire of footballing authorities. There are varied views among the Celtic support on its use however it is undeniable that such displays of passion in the stands remain incredibly popular with significant swathes of Celtic supporters, whilst it’s safe use is common across the footballing world. Pyrotechnics within football, and even at Celtic, predates the Green Brigade. It would be naïve to assume that it can simply be eradicated and instead, the mature, progressive approach would be for football clubs and authorities to properly engage with fans to promote safe use. On the select occasions we opt to use pyro, we do so with total regard for safety and seek to limit risk as much as possible.

     

     

    Since the inception of Safe Standing in Celtic Park, our communications with the Club have been dominated by Health & Safety concerns which we have, and remain, committed to trying to mitigate. Without covering old ground, we have done as much as is within our power to help combat overcrowding within our area. Ultimately though, fans’ migrating to this area never has been – nor will it ever be – the fault of those who legitimately occupy the area. It is completely unreasonable for the Club to sanction fans within Safe Standing for their own failure to manage this issue: one which only exists at around 5 fixtures per season. Conveniently, the Club statement only very briefly mentions this issue – framed around a UEFA fine narrative – despite assuring us it is the primary factor behind sanctions.

     

     

    As with overcrowding, punishing fans for the latest UEFA fine is unfair. Whilst tens of thousands partook in the offending chant, we are happy to accept responsibility for leading the ‘fuck Lazio’ chorus and make no apologies for displaying the same message in their native tongue. Politics aside, football is a tribal sport and to sanitise the game to the extent that cursing the opposition is in breach of regulations only renders said regulations – and the body enforcing them – not fit for purpose. More importantly, we are a proudly anti-racist group who took a stand against one of the most notoriously fascist supports in world football. That stand culminated in £16,000 being raised for two refugee charities between Rome and Glasgow – an appeal which perfectly showcased the Celtic support and is certainly more newsworthy than football supporters swearing.

     

     

    The Club often purport to be a club like no other, a slogan modelled on Barcelona. Unlike their Catalonian counterparts though, the Celtic board would rather shirk from the traditions of Celtic instead of following their example in challenging unethical regulations and sanctions. The oldest Celtic tradition of all is charity and the Celtic support united on Saturday to once again produce the largest single collection for foodbanks in this country, as they do annually. It is a shame that this should be overshadowed by the Club sowing seeds of division.

     

     

    As the team strives for a historic 9 – and then 10 – in a row, we would rather not be engaged in this negative narrative. Our aim, as always, is to positively support Celtic and following Thursday we hope to get back to that. However, omitted from the Club statement is the fact that all Green Brigade tickets for all upcoming fixtures are being withheld until further notice – including the upcoming League Cup Final and potentially as far as to the Glasgow Derby at the end of the year. We hope that the Club will reconsider this position and re-engage with fans in a meaningful manner.

     

     

    Until The Last Rebel

  41. FAVOURITE UNCLE on

    I thought the PYROS were a one off from a few misguided individuals in amongst the GREEN BR.on reading their statement they seam to be saying it was a united and pre- planned event.

     

     

    No mention of fans with breathing problems or those hardy souls in the disabled section.Some fans like what they did they say .,i would suggest those are the same people who smoke grass and snort beecham powders and don’t notice there is no hot water in the toilets as they do not understand the concept of personal hygiene.

  42. ernie lynch on

    KINGLUBO on 26TH NOVEMBER 2019 3:54 PM

     

    ‘Maybe I’m thick but would someone please tell me exactly, just what the point of pyros please, have I missed something??’

     

     

     

    ####

     

     

    You are looking for a rational basis for behavior in the context of thousands of people payings tens of pounds to watch 22 men kick a bag of air round a field.

     

     

    And they do this week after week, year after year.

     

     

    Motes and beams springs to mind.

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