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Pyrotechnics are not part of my Celtic experience.  For others, it is an important part.  So much so, that it will not be inhibited by Health & Safety rules or the club being fined.

I cannot say how valid the Health & Safety concerns are, but I have one friend with lung disease who tells me this issue presents a real danger.  Two months ago, a woman and child were injured by a pyro at the Livingston-Newco game.  The same week, a Paranaense fan lost his hand when lighting a device in Brazil.  I expect the rule is in place for valid reasons.

After more than a dozen fines from Uefa, Celtic have closed part of the standing section for Thursday’s Rennes game in connection with the on-going pattern of pyrotechnic use at European games.

The problem with pyrotechnic use at football games comes about because those who bring them – as long as they do not blow their hands off or suffer lung disease – are usually immune to the consequences of their actions.  There is no personal financial, health or reputational damage, those consequences fall on the club.

I have not asked Celtic about yesterday’s action but I know what the view will be, “I will be the one held criminally liable if there is an incident I do nothing to prevent” – was a previous comment on a different matter.

Celtic have held discussions with supporters’ groups, but a supporters’ group can merely influence, not control, what their own members and others do.  Individual fans cannot impose behaviour on other people.

I expect those who insist on setting pyrotechnics off at Celtic games will be fortified by the club’s actions, they are now a cause célèbre.  Don’t expect an introspective reflection on whether or not their actions are beyond reproach.  Place your bets on what happens next, my money is on more of all of this.

Really annoyed at Dave King for abdicating on a day we have Celtic business to prioritise.  Pretty distraught at the news too, we will miss him more than you will ever believe, he has been wonderful.  I doubt the Treble Treble would be possible without him.  Pick up on this tomorrow.

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  1. Pog….”whilst drunk”??

     

     

    I watched games where I was convinced the players were pished.

     

     

    Hail hail

     

     

    Matt

  2. Haha Matt

     

     

    3. Whilst drunk…

     

     

    Damn…there goes a few thousand…but not to worry…Season Books have been paid for…

     

     

    H.H.

  3. I was never a Martin O’Neil fan.

     

     

    REMEMBER

     

     

    Remember night-time’s shadows fleeing from the light,

     

    Remember worn and hooded eyes given back their sight,

     

    Remember hearts that craved a time of dreams that might come true

     

    Remember when our MON arrived and said to me and you.

     

     

    I will do what’s in my gift

     

    I’ll do what’s in my power

     

    To bring some glory to our club

     

    Cometh the man so cometh the hour.

     

     

    Remember Petta seeing off Fernando’s flailing kicks

     

    Remember Sutton’s piercing strikes and Petrov’s box of tricks

     

    Remember Henrik’s goals of gold and vanquished foreign foes

     

    Remember Thommo, Hartson too as they dealt their stinging blows.

     

     

    I will do what’s in my gift

     

    I’ll do what’s in my power

     

    To bring some glory to our club

     

    Cometh the man so cometh the hour.

     

     

    Remember Basle’s ashes from which our Phoenix flew

     

    Remember Blackburn, Vigo, and Stuttgart holding true

     

    Remember down in Scouseland when glory fed our soul

     

    Remember Boavista and that startling winning goal!

     

     

    I will do what’s in my gift

     

    I’ll do what’s in my power

     

    To bring some glory to our club

     

    Cometh the man so cometh the hour.

     

     

    But most of all remember, a man of iron will

     

    A man who gave us with our team that vision called Seville,

     

    A man who bent for no-one, who raised our name in lights

     

    Our man, our Mon, our manager, with you we scaled the heights!

     

     

    I will do what’s in my gift

     

    I’ll do what’s in my power

     

    To bring some glory to club

     

    Cometh the man so cometh the hour.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    Matt

  4. I wrote this for the only person I’ve loved…her name was

     

     

    Helen Suzanne

     

     

     

    When in that dank, dark cave of fear I dwell

     

    When haunting demons try to seize my mind,

     

    When my heart burns in the fires of hell,

     

    MY Soul , my love, my dreams were thine

     

     

    When lost within the labyrinth of care

     

    When spectres loom and block all egress

     

    When darkness falls and strips strength bare

     

    I hold your smile and worry less

     

     

    I wish I’d told her!

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    Matt

  5. Ach it wis only a day…who cares?

     

     

    James Connelly Johnstone

     

     

    A long time ago, in a nostalgic look at the entanglement of Celtic with my own life, I noted down my memory of Jimmy Johnstone!

     

     

    I never posted it on this site as I always hoped that I would be long gone before him and would never need to add his sad loss to my happy and at times hilarious recollections.

     

     

    Today, however that dreaded news came through and so I went up to Celtic park where at 09.00 hours already tied to the railings outside the main entrance was a Rangers shirt, a Scotland scarf, and the beginnings of a multicoloured monument of epic memories!

     

     

    The queue for the Cup final tickets stood in almost a reverent silence as they slowly filed forward to collect their briefs for the game and as they did so the name Jimmy, Jinky, JJ, or simply the wee man would drift in the air to be followed by a burst of laughter.

     

     

    Even today the magician extraordinaire continued to entertain us.

     

     

    So Jimmy, I know where you are now as you have sent St Peter the wrong way and nipped by him as he has fallen on his backside outside that more ethereal Paradise!

     

     

    Say hello to Ronnie and Bobby and Big Jock for me!

     

     

    To everyone else I make no apologies for reposting just what Jimmy meant to me!!

     

     

     

    To the man who could thread a needle with his feet

     

    (or how the f*** did he do that)

     

     

    The nearest I have ever physically come to Jimmy Johnstone was, for every home match, standing in the ‘Jungle’ just to the right of the halfway line, and about twenty terracing steps back from the low grey stone wall which separated us from that fiery headed green and white clad magician.

     

     

    This was however much closer than the opposition ever got to him.

     

     

    Everyone knows at least by word of mouth about Jimmy’s slightness of stature but abundance of heart. Everyone knows about his extraordinary skills, artfulness, resourcefulness, and reputation. But what no one has really said is that Jinky would have made a world class fisherman.

     

     

    Like an expert angler, Jimmy would regularly bait, hook, reel, land, and then throw us back in to be teased again, almost as much as he ever did to the opposition. But we loved it because he was doing it for us, because he was one of us, and he represented us on those hallowed sods of Celtic Park.

     

     

    “Gie it tae Jimmy” the Jungle would call and with a thousand moves orchestrated as one, the man of a million moments of blinding extravagance and brilliance would instantaneously have the ball under control, spun to face the oppositions goal, and be jinking across the half-way line, going left then right, then back, then forwards, leaving a trail of exhausted opponents, their tongues covered in grass burns as the vainly tried to work out why Newton’s natural laws of motion did not seem to apply to the wee man.

     

     

    As he instantly hypnotised both the opposing fullback, and us, and transmitted by ESP the message that he was going down the outside, the defenders muscles made that imperceptible, involuntary and sadly (for him) irreversible commitment to covering the route that Jinky had somehow convinced him he was going.

     

     

    Imperceptible to most of us that is, but like the thrashing of a distressed fish to a shark, the wee man picked up both the heat of fear and the consequential disturbance in the air pattern. In an instant, he had whipped the ball eight inches in the air, pulled it with his right instep inside and over the vain and forlorn swish of the opponent’s right-foot which had continued on its own trajectory. This resulted in three things happening with uncanny regularity.

     

     

    Firstly Jimmy immediately and seamlessly, transferred the responsibility for the continued advance and control of the ball to his left peg, and defied the laws of body mechanics to go inside and home in on the goal at the Celtic End of Paradise.

     

     

    Secondly, the defender seemed to be heading off to buy a pint of milk and three pounds of potatoes.

     

     

    And thirdly, everyone in the ground pished themselves laughing at him!

     

     

    The centre-half seeing the thrust of the red-haired whiz-bang, made to push forward from the safety of the defensive numbers to cut-off JJ’s path (or more usually to cut off his legs usually somewhere up around Jimmy’s neck). The full back, recovering as quickly as was possible when your legs were as dignified as a couple of twisted pipe-cleaners, but desperate to rid himself of the memory of urine soaked ridicule, rushed to support his advancing comrade in arms by forming that impenetrable pincer of muscle, tackity boots, liniment, brute force and destructive football ignorance!

     

     

    In they both came; one from forward slightly left, and one from backwards to the right. Nostrils flaring, eyes popping, veins, throbbing, evil was in their mind and harm was their intent.

     

     

    Shoulders dipping, waist and hips shimmying, eyes on the ball and its two yard circumference, Jimmy took the move to that point where no-one could draw out and everyone could see what was going to happen.

     

     

    We all had a premonition of the pain that Jinky was going to feel!

     

     

    In instinctive harmony we closed our eyes and drew a sharp breath as the three torsos, six arms, six legs, and one ball, fuelled by the unsophisticated assault and battery of the not-so-beautiful game’s answer to the nuclear threat – 1960’s Scottish defenders – were subjected to the cataclysmic amalgam of ‘immovable objects’ and ‘unstoppable forces’.

     

     

    Except, when we opened our eyes, there was Jimmy, still with the ball.

     

     

    Somehow he had not only whipped it back with the outside of his left foot in the opposite direction – in defiance of his muscles and bone structure and dragged it away from his potential assailants, but he had also managed to manoeuvre himself down the outside right channel where we had all thought he was originally going,….. then decided he wasn’t and ………then finally decided he was after all. (In fact we only really knew where he was going once he got there, although even then I was never completely sure that he was where he appeared to be.)

     

     

    ‘Now’, with absolutely no apologies to Paul Daniels, ‘ that is magic’.

     

     

    And there he was now on the bye-line, all on his own. He was ready to chip it, drive it, float it, or possibly come up with a new variation of a cross for Stevie Chalmers, or Bertie Auld, or Wullie Wallace or Joe McBride. As the other members of the unstoppable green machine flooded the box to finish the move, Jinky caught them all out too by changing his mind and going back, finding another couple of overconfident gullible victims and take them through another of the infinite variations on the ‘you’ll-end-up-sitting-on-your-arse’ routines..

     

     

    I can still see the cast of famous but failed assailants pushing and shoving each other, trying to get to their feet, almost arguing over whose leg was whose as they unravelled the spaghetti of the aftermath of their unsuccessful mugging.

     

     

    But funniest of all was there embarrassed search around the grass for the dignity that they seemed to lose so suddenly, predictably, and justifiably.

     

     

    Jinky was if nothing else, scrupulously fair in his treatment of defenders. They all copped it in equally contemptuous measures!!

     

     

    In an ever resounding echo of the Celtic Song (They come from Bonnie Scotland, they come from County Cork ….) they came from Madrid, from Prague, from St Etienne, from Nantes, from Buenos Aires, from England, and on a humiliatingly regular basis, from the Govan area of this dear green place. And the great thing is that while most left eventually with a smile on their faces, most certainly ALL left with a memory of a footballer extraordinaire!

     

     

    And as for that ‘lost dignity’, well feeling magnanimous as he usually did after games Jimmy would probably return it to them in the dressing room, or more likely in whatever bar they ended up in that night.

     

     

    For one other thing about Jimmy was that he lived his life the way he played his football, and let’s be honest, would we have wanted it any other way.

     

     

    James Connelly Johnstone……….Thank you

     

     

    Requiescant in pace Jinky, for one day we will meet again!

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    Matt

  6. It is strange

     

    We berate Div king for stepping down

     

    and for yet another share issue which will dilute the already diluted share into a parody of what a share should be.

     

     

    But what of the Celtic shareholder?

     

    You will recall the relief when the kellys were ousted,and the wee man from Croy

     

    said be a part of our club? Many Celtic fans

     

    seen it as their duty,their club needed their participation,as millions flocked to buy and millions went to the man with the plan McCann..

     

    We had our say we bought into the integrity of us having a voice in our club.we continue to support our club season on season since Fergus came on board

     

     

    Today we sit with a board were the distribution of shares is more akin to the kelly days.Dermot and friends control upwards of 80% of our club. our board are sanctioning their res12 basically ignoring shareholders wishes and in complete contrast to MrMcCanns ‘have your say’ethos

     

    In having your say today our board want to swerve responsibility and ignore

     

    1.Murray’s (proven)cheating ere 1999-2012

     

    2 Nimmo Smith’s sham

     

    3The cheated registration of 92.1% of players registered 1999-2012

     

    3.The Two rangers agreement(commonly known as 5wa.

     

    4.continuity.

     

     

    Our board wish to leave this in the hands of the sfa.

     

     

    It beggars belief.our corporate identity should pursue governance,fairness and justice imo.

     

     

    HH

  7. Estadio?- Thanks for sharing your Jinky memories. Similar to my own, if only I was so eloquent with my words

  8. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Remember

     

    Res12 is about investigating the SFA.

     

     

    The Plc introduced the idea that the SFA should investigate themselves.

     

     

    6 years later the SFA continue to behave as predicted.

     

     

    6 years later and the Plc continue to support the SFA by enabling them.

     

     

    That my fellow tims is the long and short of the whole fiasco choreographed by our very own Plc.

     

     

    Want to wake a question at the AGM

     

    Ask

     

    Why the Celtic Plc have not supported Res12

     

     

    Do not be distracted by any response about the SFA investigating rangers it is irrelevant

  9. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    The culture of ” Blaming the victim ” .

     

     

    A culture reminiscent of what ?

     

     

    Blame the perpetrators.

     

    The huns and the SFA.

     

    By all means discover the reasons why no apparent progress has been made to hold the perpetrators to account , but a donnybrook would assist only the perpetrators .

     

    Eyes on the prize .

     

    The prize is on the field .

  10. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    To date the SFA have still not opened an investigation into their own administration of the licensing procedures, and the Celtic Plc have never asked for an investigation into the administration of the licensing procedures, never.

     

    They only once questioned the granting but accepted (by dint of their lack of follow up or action and the Plc’s original response to Res12) a condescending response from the SFA.

     

     

    All other correspondence (published or viewed by the Res12 team) directly between the Celtic Plc and the SFA are/were requests for the SFA or judicial panel to investigate rangers.

     

     

    There is and only ever has been one recourse for the Celtic Plc to stay within the bounds of UEFAs rules and that’s to ask UEFA to investigate.

  11. Good morning CQN from another blistering Garngad 6degrees

     

     

    On the Pyro issue, I agree the GB should not be using them but I also think without the GB the atmosphere is quite dramatically affected. If indeed the board and GB have been in talks for months and they seem to have broken down then that is a shame and needs to get reinstated to a meaningful state.

     

    I feel it is our boards duty to engage in meaningful mediation and try and educate these young fans about safety issues and to try and bring them on the journey with us all.

     

     

    Here’s a thought how can the club not put on a pyro show before certain games as some sort of compromise as it gets done when we win the league or cups.

     

     

    Hail Hail

     

     

    I’m away back to sunbathing in this 6 degrees😂

     

     

    D. :)

  12. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    The victimS.

     

     

    Celtic FC , our supporters specifically and every other football club in Scotland subject to the ” star chamber ” verdicts of the SFA .

  13. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    D66,

     

    I expect the GB want to set off their own pyro.

     

     

    Here’s a suggestion

     

    The Plc can select one of the GB each week to come on the pitch with the kiddies and set off a pyro before the game or at half time under the supervision of a pyrotech, like the kiddies they can wear the strip and hold the pyrotechs hand.

     

    Or does that not look rebellious enough 😃

  14. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    TOBAGO STREET on 27TH NOVEMBER 2019 6:02 AM

     

     

    Now that is much more alarming than the S.F.A.

  15. Canamalar – whatever works, the point is there has to be a compromise.

     

    I am not at ease with banning fans (that’s fans who spend hard earned cash at our club) at all not least with 3 days before a game.

     

     

    I think the board have let themselfs down massively on this occasion.

     

     

    HH

     

     

    D. :)

  16. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Macjay…,

     

    I suggest the Plc executive are not victims but have actually prospered since the 5-way agreement has been implemented.

     

     

    Also, if the Plc exec as you say should be considered victims, why have they intentionally subverted the aim of Res12?

     

     

    Publicly they appear at odds with the SFA but their actions with respect to Res12 demonstrate otherwise.

     

     

    I will repeat for your benefit

     

     

    Res12 requested a UEFA/CFCB investigation of the SFAs implementation of the licensing process and procedures for season 2011/12.

     

     

    The Plc exec have directed and insisted the SFA are the appropriate body to investigate themselves.

     

    The Plc executive have directed and insisted all questions and permissions must be made through the SFA.

     

    The Plc exec have directed and insisted the SFA must be allowed to investigate their own agenda.

     

    The Plc exec consider the SFAs investigation into rangers license application satisfies the Res12 motion.

     

    The Plc exec have never at any time supported an invitation to UEFA/CFCB to investigate the subject of Res12.

     

     

    There has never been any satisfactory reason offered from the Plc exec, to justify why they have not at any time since the Res12 2013 AGM proposal, requested UEFA/CFCB to investigate.

     

     

    There was enough evidence in the public domain at the time of the sheriffs officers to make such a request, the response from the SFA in the subject around the time should have stirred suspicion instead of meek acceptance.

     

    People need to remember this is not a criminal prosecution, asking for an investigation is simply that, it is then up to the investigating authority with all the powers of investigation and enquiry to determine if there is enough evidence to support an investigation.

  17. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Tobago St….,

     

    Had a look at that squirrel/link and don’t see anything untoward, the solution is simple, nationalise infrastructure.

     

    Typical propaganda bullshit as far as I can make out.

  18. En route to the circus aka Celtic AGM. It’ll either be a day of renewal, or, more likely, betrayal. Hoping for the former, but realistically expect the latter.

  19. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    LAZYDYNAMITE on 26TH NOVEMBER 2019 8:41 AM

     

     

    Western ” society ” is crumbling at all the levels which used to be the cornerstones of civilised countries .

     

     

    If you`re a white male , that`s your fault .

  20. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 27TH NOVEMBER 2019 7:09 AM

     

    Macjay…,

     

     

     

     

    I suggest the Plc executive are not victims but have actually prospered since the 5-way agreement has been implemented.

     

     

    ===============================================

     

     

    I would need evidence about the ” prospering ” , but I didn`t mean to suggest Board members themselves were victims.

  21. Very clear.

     

     

    HH

     

     

    ………………………………………………

     

    AN TEARMANN on 27TH NOVEMBER 2019 2:20 AM

     

    It is strange

     

     

     

     

    We berate Div king for stepping down

     

     

     

     

    and for yet another share issue which will dilute the already diluted share into a parody of what a share should be.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    But what of the Celtic shareholder?

     

     

     

     

    You will recall the relief when the kellys were ousted,and the wee man from Croy

     

     

     

     

    said be a part of our club? Many Celtic fans

     

     

     

     

    seen it as their duty,their club needed their participation,as millions flocked to buy and millions went to the man with the plan McCann..

     

     

     

     

    We had our say we bought into the integrity of us having a voice in our club.we continue to support our club season on season since Fergus came on board

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Today we sit with a board were the distribution of shares is more akin to the kelly days.Dermot and friends control upwards of 80% of our club. our board are sanctioning their res12 basically ignoring shareholders wishes and in complete contrast to MrMcCanns ‘have your say’ethos

     

     

     

     

    In having your say today our board want to swerve responsibility and ignore

     

     

     

     

    1.Murray’s (proven)cheating ere 1999-2012

     

     

     

     

    2 Nimmo Smith’s sham

     

     

     

     

    3The cheated registration of 92.1% of players registered 1999-2012

     

     

     

     

    3.The Two rangers agreement(commonly known as 5wa.

     

     

     

     

    4.continuity.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Our board wish to leave this in the hands of the sfa.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    It beggars belief.our corporate identity should pursue governance,fairness and justice imo.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    HH

  22. Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on

    Macjay,

     

    Increased bonus and dividends in a corrupt market further corrupted by lack of objection of the Plc exec.

  23. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    LAZYDYNAMITE on 27TH NOVEMBER 2019 8:34 AM

     

     

    The suffragettes had a point.

     

    Early feminism had a point.

     

    When Germaine Greer , of ” The Female Eunuch ” fame is now marginalised by the modern feminist movement , then questions must be asked .

     

     

    I responded belatedly to your comments because , as a Tim , unfairness has always rankled.

     

    Your situation would appear to be the epitome of unfairness.

     

    Respect.

     

     

    One last point.

     

    What could be more sexist than feminism ?

  24. macjay1 for Neil Lennon on

    CANAMALAR IT LOOKS LIKE OCD OBSESSION on 27TH NOVEMBER 2019 8:51 AM

     

     

    Fair enough.

  25. Stefan Molyneux lives in the Alt-right nazi-flirting internet-cult bubble of promoting long discredited “scientific racism” theories.

     

     

    He has no track record of peer-reviewed research and speaks to a population with a hunger for authoritarian lies.

     

     

    He has no standing at all in the research, philosophy or psychology communities, but he’s earning a quick buck from a population seeking the popular modern ground of victimhood.

     

     

    I understand, Fav Uncle, that you encountered genuine injustices in the handling of your own family circumstances and I do not doubt the sincerity and genuineness of those complaints.

     

     

    But Stefan Molyneux provides no answers but deeper anger and resentment against women who will think and act for themselves.

     

     

    His future is a Handmaid’s Tale future.

     

     

    Aff oot

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