Well done to the Daily Record for revealing that SFA referee, Eddie Smith, was the policeman who reported Celtic fans to Uefa for singing offensive songs against Rennes last month. Smith was one of the referees who declined to make his services available as referees went on strike last season while Celtic took-on the SFA amid accusations of lies, bullying, sectarian behaviour and cover-ups among referees at the association. He is no longer on the Grade 1 list.
Following the strike the SFA Head of Referee Administration was removed from his post and referee, Dougie MacDonald, who was accused of lying to Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, resigned, prompting then-Celtic chairman, Dr John Reid, to say the club felt vindicated in raising their concerns.
Vindicated, no doubt, but with more than a few feeling bitter towards the club.
While the Daily Record can reflect on some good work today, bizarrely, the Scotsman newspaper accused Celtic fans of sectarian chanting at the Rennes game, something even police-gossip, Eddie Smith, didn’t accuse them of.
Why stop at accusations of sectarian behaviour? If the Scotsman are going to be ridiculous, why not accused Celtic fans of genocide and treason? Better still, just say lots of them have funny names, go to strange schools but will never ascent to the British throne.
Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history, it is downright offensive to suggest otherwise.
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mickbhoy1888 says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:31
That’s what I like on here a right good argy bargy
No doubt there will be a few CQN widows heading for the hills tonight and will be needing a wee shoulder to cry on in The merchant city
I will ramp up the temperature a wee bit more by saying that Gus Hiddink will more than likely be looking for a new managerial position in the near future
Hopefully not by us, as the Welsh would say! He hasn’t really been a roaring success recently and if we couldn’t afford an old pro like Zenden, he would be way out of PL’s league in any caseCSC.
HH Gerry
Why dont Celtic not make public the exact wording of the charge against us,they must know.If you or I receive a summons it must state the charges.I dont trust Lawwell on this.IMO he is playing to his own agenda.Let The People Sing.Slan
Gerrybhoy
I’ll direct you to Seville67 post at 17.07.
Sorry but can’t do a link as I’m using my phone.
Bada Bing @ 17:24
I would seek the advice of experts in that field Every optical condition is different and laser surgery is not suitable for all
BRTH,
I think you are picking this up wrong, no one has advocated the singing of IRA songs, what I and most are saying is, that supporters should not be criminalised or castigated from the club beacuse they sing them, youngsters have done it for decades at Celtic park matured and stopped, why should we deny the same freedom to the next generation, the more its demonised the more they want to do it, ffs its child psychology book 1.
spiers tweeting uefa source,wants all political songs stopped.No matter if its Scotland,Spain etc.
Does anyone seriously believe that if there is never another dubious song or spurious cough from the Celtic support then there will never be another attempt at blackening our name about something?
The campaign to drag us down will continue no matter how sq
Scotland under21’s are 1up against Holland -Sky1.
squeaky clean we are.
Net went down – oops
hamiltontim says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:35
Gerrybhoy
I’ll direct you to Seville67 post at 17.07.
Sorry but can’t do a link as I’m using my phone.
Got it & allready commented back to him. He is absolutely right in what he said IMO.
HH GerryBhoy
lennon’s passion says:14 November, 2011 at 17:38
So that will be the Flower of Scotland, Rule Britannia, AND Let the People sing?
dirtymac @ 17:14
:) Granted, “Bigot” is another word that is often mis-used in the hun vernacular. If they knew it by that wiki definition, they would surely be voicing their joy and pride at being such a thing. Especially since being a Catholic-hating bigot is not a crime. And the expression of such a crime at a football match is un-punishable, albeit illegal, according to those who have chosen a career in law-enforcement.
TET,Mickybhoy – thank you.hh
lennon’s passion says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:38
spiers tweeting uefa source,wants all political songs stopped.No matter if its Scotland,Spain etc.
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whats the players on international duty going to sing a long to then ?
surely national anthems are as political as a country can get ?
lennon’s passion says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:38
Try stopping it in Italy, Bella Ciao, Bandiera Rossa, Non Mi Frega… There would be even more riots.
Sure,Nae mistake aboot it..
It is Very well Known..
Mr. Lawwell, is the Keeper of the Celtic Purse..,
and
Because of that..
He wull,indeed, ALWAYS.. mak the FINAL DECISION..oan the Affordability ,to Celtic..of a Player’s Contract.
Oan the Sensible Grounds..
That, THE CELTIC CLUB.. especially.. in these, Trying, Financially Speaking, Times..
Must
Keep within it’s Allotted Budget.
Noo.. that is the Wey.. Awe Corporations woik..
The C.E.O. Must Mak sure that he must honor his Responsible Position , which he holds..
I.E.
As…in Having the Final Say, in all Things which will have a bearing oan the Club’s
Ability to remain , Financially.. well.. Salubrious!
Obviously, Bolo wanted Too Much Money fur his Sevices,in the Opinion of
Mr. Lawwell..
and..
Believe Me, Mr. Lawwell, by showing the Indian Sign to Mr. Lennon’s Previous Bargain, with Bolo..
Acted in the Best Interests of the Club.. again.. From a FINANCIAL viewpoint.
and..
Any ither .. C.E.O. who was worth his Salt.. would have Acted
Exactly, in the same Fashion.in Mr. Lawwell’s position in this Deal..
It is utter nonsense , Fur Celtic to Ditch Mr. Lawwell.. and Going out to Hire another C. E. O. who would under the same set of Circumstances..
Do the Exact same Thing that Mr. Lawwell has done..
Which is
Turn Down Bolo, because, he wanted a Contract which would Pay him, in Excess to that which Celtic , at this time, Can Afford.
So.. Mr. Lawwell, was only doing his Job.. as.. well.. it should be done.
Kojo
Vmhan♣ who Supports Neil Lennon says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:29
Ha! I recall an incident in the London Rd Tavern in the early/mid 90s when rather than travelling down by supporters bus, I went with two of my sheepie mates in the motor.
‘Aye, you’ll be fine in the pub, never any bother: St Mirren, St Johnstone, Utd, etc fans all come in and have a beer or two before the game’ I said to them as we entered said establishment, me resplendent in my Celtic gear, them deciding not to chance any colours.
We’d not even reached the bar when it became clear there was a somewhat unfriendly atmosphere in the place. Shouts and a few thumps later, we were outside in London rd with a fair ding-dong racket inside from a bunch of neanderthals at the other side (the ‘top-end’ of the Springfield rd side) of the pub.
It’s the one and only time I’ve seen trouble in there at a home match.
IIRC, we got beat 1-0 (mibbes 2-1) and it was a loooong journey home.
if ye ask me its all consubstantial
Bonty
You have spoken of bile and bullying on here but you must recognise that today that has come from various sources.
You’re correct I’ve never seen you using ‘them’ when talking about Celtic. However, your loaded vocabulary when talking about Celtic supporters does you no favours.
I’ve actually found myself agreeing with some of your more recent posts. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that I wouldn’t want you by my side when leaving Ibrox/Pittodrie etc on a dark night.
Fortune Favours,
Well if you do it with respect it will provide me with a great opportunity to clarify things for you. If not I will simply assume you’re in the maddie camp. My posts are pretty careful and my attitude towards CQNers is not the same as my attitudes towards my fellow Celtic fans. Indeed, and as I’ve stated before, I don’t really think of some on CQN as proper Celtic fans. In fact, if you weren’t so sure I was obsfucating then you’d have noticed that was exactly my point – these guys don’t have Celtic at heart, they are speaking for themselves not me and not the club and it’s many and varied supporters.
It is high time these guys were stopped, because they represent Celtics equivalent of Rangers fans. The beauty of being a Celtic fan, allowing for the fact that all large clubs inevitably attract a rump of direputable types, is that we don’t have so many of them.
To use a crude, and made up, comparison;
I’d estimate that 20% of Rangers fans are beyond help – full on bigots and ignorant with it. 40-50% of Rangers fans tacitly accept this situation. The remainder are too scared or cowed to speak out consistently.
At Celtic I’d estimate this beyong help group to be 5-10% (about normal, probably) with 30% offering tacit approval, and the remainder a mix of oblivious and deeply offended. It’s why we argue on CQN.
Another made up, but I suspect nearly true factoid – 84% of Internet forum posters are crazy. Bizarrely Aw naw posts 16% of all internet forum posts. This is a crazy co-incidence though.
I posted well over a year ago, long before the summit happened, that they would be out to blacken us and try to destroy our club any way they could, we are now seeing how they will go about it.
Seville @1705, well said Sir, well said!!!!!
I wouldn’t believe a word of what Speirs has just tweeted
He is just trying to add weight to his viewpoint on the issue by posting total made up nonsense
He still believes that he is a journalist of some standing in the sports media
He stopped being so a long, long time ago
Lennon’s Passion
Fair play. Apols for jumping the guns. I’m trying to defend your right to make that choice yourself.
Please, please folks. Do NOT call the phone ins tonight and give then the opportunity the will love to publicise this situation.
That said it’s Spiers and Keevins on Clyde.
If you feel you HAVE to get onto to that show the only question I would ask them is why, until more than a week after the match, had neither of them who files match reports in their respective papers/rags not mention these incidents of they were really so bad as Mr Smith and Strathclyde’s finest thought? On other words this is a SHAM’ pure and simple set-up on Celtic.
We all know uefa don`t have the gonads to take on these countries,all getting a bit tedious to me.Just want to see the hoops.Guarantee it will be a Ra fest up at Inverness,troops up early and the vino flowing.
This morning, I as someone who attended the Rennes game was being accused of singing ‘sectarian songs’. By lunchtime the songs were ‘illicit’. This evening they are ‘unsportsmanlike’.
I fully expect to wake up tomorrow to find out my songs had been ‘naughty’.
Give us a break UEFA…
HH
A book worth reading considering the song debate.
Irish Republicanism In Scotland 1858-1916
Stephen Coyle reviews Irish Republicanism In Scotland 1858-1916: Fenians in exile by Mairtin Sean O’Cathain Irish Academic Press, ISBN 978 0 7165 2858 6,
THIS IS the first study of the Fenian movement in Scotland and comes under the category of ‘hidden history’. It is extremely well researched and the author has produced ample evidence to support his thesis in this sympathetic work.
The author argues that Irish republicanism in Scotland had vigour and integrity more than equal to any displayed among the Irish in America about whom so much has been written.
The steady rise in the Irish immigrant population was overtaken as a result of the Great Hunger by an inrush of people who were overwhelmingly poor, mainly Catholic and recognisably alien. They were left only with their bitter anger at an avoidable past and an uncertain future. The immigrants created ‘little Irelands’ to maintain the comforts and security of identity in a hostile and rapidly changing society.
Irish republicanism was able to exploit this alienation and combine it with Irish folk history driven by the tradition of resistance to British rule, and incorporated it into the movement which became Fenianism.
The author argues that the social, economic and political contours of the Fenian movement in Scotland marked it out as a more radical and intransigent body than the home organisation. Its members were overwhelmingly employed as labourers in the heavy industries, in dock work and in the building trades.
Through their organisations in Scotland the Fenians demonstrated a clear and continuous belief in the Irish republican physical force tradition as embodied in the United Irishmen and the Young Irelanders. They regarded themselves as the inheritors and guardians of this tradition, especially in exile, and they gave it a political shape.
A key element of this study is with why the Fenians in Scotland should differ in a number of significant ways not only from the Fenians in Ireland but also with their compatriots in other parts of the Irish diaspora.
Indeed one of the author’s main contentions is that present thinking on the Fenian movement is dominated by an Ireland-centred perspective which has largely decided that the Fenians were young urban males ‘seeking a place’ in a rapidly changing country rather than ideologically driven revolutionaries. The evidence of the revolutionary movement in Scotland challenges this assumption and highlights the importance of context and exile.
The book covers the many activities, places and personalities associated with the Fenian movement in Scotland, including John Torley, the talented leader of the IRB from Duntocher.
In addition to addressing a badly neglected topic, the author has added a new and challenging perspective to Fenian historiography. For this he deserves our utmost gratitude.
I see when conflict is on the agenda for Our Club, we have the re-activation of Billy Backstory and the revolving panto cast of the remarkable odd – squad.
Predictable.
Shameful.
Watching Netherlands v Scotland………….
James Forrest looking razor sharp, although he probably can’t understand why opposition aren’t booting lumps out if him every time he gets the ball.
hamiltontim says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:18
Seville67
I have no problem with you or your little group expressing opinions, that’s what blogs are all about.
I do have a problem with you referring to other Celtic supporters as ‘them’ and I do have a problem with some of the vocabulary used by Bonty etc regarding Celtic supporters.
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Hamiltontim,
please don’t patronize – what exactly does “little group” mean ?
I am one of the Celtic support and do not refer to the Celtic support as them.
However I am perfectly entitled to distance myself from Cyberhardmen who try to shut down any opion that does not align with the one that they hold.
I just so happen to sit in the ground Section 123 the family section every week and I think that I represent what a lot of the Dad’s think, not all I admit.
What is ironic about this whole debate is that the conversation is about freedom of speech but when a Celtic fan like me comes on and makes a point in which I believe I am basically told to “shut it ya hun you have blown your credibility” how ironic.
Seville67
Bouncyboy @ 17:48
You mentioned “respect” and “irony” there.
I’d suggest it’s you who has lost touch with both of these. Your competent grammar skills deserve respect. Your choice of words rarely do.
Quite a few posters on here not fully understanding Paul67 headline above. Now is that because they are thick or desperate to run with the hun agenda. I think both as it is always the same suspects.
No apologies from me of course.
HH
Headtheball says:
14 November, 2011 at 17:39
Does anyone seriously believe that if there is never another dubious song or spurious cough from the Celtic support then there will never be another attempt at blackening our name about something?
The campaign to drag us down will continue no matter how sq
Exactly. TBH I can quite happily live without the RA stuff, even though I understand that its not actually illegal; the club have asked for an end to it and thats that.
But once they go, it’ll be let the people sing, soilders song or the fields that are next to be deemed ‘offensive’; then it’ll simply be anything irish or catholic. this bill is only the tip of the iceberg.
Quick guess what Stv news will run with.
!!Bada Bing!! – very few ophthalmologists and opticians elect to have eye surgery themselves. Should say it all.
Seville67
Well. you will fly wi the craws.
HH
Wrong its a conspiracy.::)))