Well done to the Daily Record for revealing that SFA referee, Eddie Smith, was the policeman who reported Celtic fans to Uefa for singing offensive songs against Rennes last month. Smith was one of the referees who declined to make his services available as referees went on strike last season while Celtic took-on the SFA amid accusations of lies, bullying, sectarian behaviour and cover-ups among referees at the association. He is no longer on the Grade 1 list.
Following the strike the SFA Head of Referee Administration was removed from his post and referee, Dougie MacDonald, who was accused of lying to Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, resigned, prompting then-Celtic chairman, Dr John Reid, to say the club felt vindicated in raising their concerns.
Vindicated, no doubt, but with more than a few feeling bitter towards the club.
While the Daily Record can reflect on some good work today, bizarrely, the Scotsman newspaper accused Celtic fans of sectarian chanting at the Rennes game, something even police-gossip, Eddie Smith, didn’t accuse them of.
Why stop at accusations of sectarian behaviour? If the Scotsman are going to be ridiculous, why not accused Celtic fans of genocide and treason? Better still, just say lots of them have funny names, go to strange schools but will never ascent to the British throne.
Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history, it is downright offensive to suggest otherwise.
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GerryBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:56
I couldn’t have put it better. Those who, for whatever unfathomable obstinacy, cant get it it into their heads that they are damaging our club and its reputation are beyond me. Moreover their seem to be others who tacitly approve of their actions without actually belting out the “offending” ditties themselves. It could be this group which is more dangerous, goading younger groups into representing a viewpoint at a football match which has absolutely no place at a football match. Why dont they head down to the SNP offices and have a sing song there, it would be far more relevant.
This is all crazy fools stuff.
Swiss
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:59
Self-styled keyboard “hardmen” are, IMO, puny wee boys. If you don’t like what I post, please scroll on by. Your comments are self serving, lacking in knowledge, grace, and in this case, downright offensive.
NotwhatisexpectedonCQNcsc
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:59
Ah, I see you’ve been using your “Definitive guide to perfecting debating techniques” again. A voluminous publication that you have clearly devoured with ease.
Quality.
BlantyreKev says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:49
Excellent piece
Bonty
I will ask you again,
What bile on CQN today has made you offended ?
quonno
British Throne v lavvy pann? Dont see much diff!!!
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:59
GerryBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:56
disagree with every word of that. A complete load of bollix wrapped up
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Great to see open debate encouraged on CQN
Seville67
Swiss Tony says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:07
Tony, thanks for that mate. It appears however that certain posters on here can’t see the wood for the trees. Not only that; they are getting downright offensive. We shouldn’t have this kind of commo between Celtic men. It only provides an excuse to the darkside in their attempt to drag us down to their level.
HH Gerry
Fortune Favours
I accept the point you make. I’m just concerned that righteous indignation is dangerously close to becoming misplaced. The benefits of a better society are that we don’t need to sully pleasant past-times, like watching/supporting a football team, with political agenda’s. If we always say this society isn’t good enough we do lose a little bit of credibility too.
Hamiltontim
If that’s all you want to pick up from that post then I’m not sure it’s worth getting involved.
I think we’re just embroiled in the usual stuff today. The details aren’t really known. It’ll likely be a ‘political’ song, and no doubt UEFA will clarify this and we’ll be warned. We should ask the police why they’re so inconsistent. We (those of us who are Catholic) have every right to be offended by songs sung by other fans, and the police need to be seen to deal with this without fear or equivocation. On the other hand, there is simply no mileage in trying to defend those fans who sing about the IRA at Celtic games. It is offensive, whether illegal or not, whether a reasonable expression of free speech or not, it is simply not appropriate for a modern football club.
Club is the word here. We’re part of a collective, and we’re simply custodians for the generations to follow. I’ve never read a post on here from a father or mother or grandparent who is comfortable taking their kids to a ground where this kind of things happens. And, I like to think we’re the ones who’re better than that.
If we;re being reasonable this is really the only topic we’d entertain.
We are supposed to be the good guys.
Someone asked what has been so unpleasant about the tone of some posts. There was one that suggested the IRA should have targetted the financial centre. There was another that assumed that a Scottish sounding name was evidence of prejudice. They were the obvious lowlights for me. Worse, we sit on our high horse talking of freedom of speech like that’s the most important right we have and no-one uses that freedom to call out these regular posters for what they are. You want a debate then let’s set some ground rules – no tubes allowed.
Thinking that with what’s been happening over the last several weeks especially…
“It would seem that some senior policemen are intent on making mischief with Celtic and its support. I hope that’s not true.”
I’d actually go further and say that certain elements in the SFA,SNP,and hun sympathisers are ALSO involved.
Their all want to drag Celtic into the same mess the huns find themselves in.
As another poster recently stated the huns are worried that Peter Lawell will vote against letting the newhuns back into the SPHell therby seriously affecting them for years.
As Nike says “Just do It” if this is what they get up to by trying to tarnish Celtic AND the supporters them make sure that we pay them back in kind.
On the point of Eddie Smith reporting directly to UEFA (and to Kenny Scott ex hun employee- does that not stink) I take it he’ll not be travelling with the official team to Europe any more?
It’s really is strange that Eddie on the same flight as the team and directors decides not to inform Celtic of HIS interpretation of “Sectarian Singing”. I really do hope that Match Commander Eddie Smith takes appropriate action against the huns when they visit Celtic Park on the 28th of Dec and sing any “Illicit songs?”
I’m thinking that Celtic are kept informed of the plods activities at Celtic Park ie filming the Green Brigade or do they report that to someone else?
hamiltontim,
sorry pal, but Ive had all I am going to accept from him, he is SCUM of the lowest form, his eagerness to curry favour with our tormentors and detractors is as far as I’m concerned despicable, his vilificaction and tacit involvement in criminalising the Celtic support is becoming clearer everytime he opens his mouth.
BontyBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:45
I’ll repeat a statement you made about your fellow Tims.
‘They are self centred egotists who are more in love with their debating point than our club’.
You then state to me that being egotistical is fine as long as you have a cogent argument.
Can you not see the irony you display?
Basically you have stated your points are cogent and by default all who take a similar stance are
‘intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, moral and ethical’.
You are very quick to run down and be very course in the language you choose to describe
your fellow Celtic supporters, who do not share the same view,
while displaying the very traits in which you accuse of others.
Bontybhoy – the ‘intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, moral and ethical’ man.
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=1751
Celtic Football Club statement
By: Newsroom Staff on 14 Nov, 2011 15:48
CELTIC Football Club have issued a statement regarding a report by Strathclyde Police to UEFA over alleged illicit chanting at the recent UEFA Europa League match at Celtic Park against Rennes.
A Celtic spokesperson said: “We have been made aware of this hearing in a letter from UEFA. We have not been given any detail on the nature of the alleged incidents and have not received any information on this matter directly from the police.
“Celtic supporters have a magnificent record of positive support for their team, something recognised by both UEFA and FIFA in recent years and we are extremely proud of this reputation.
“Therefore, the club will co-operate fully with any UEFA investigation.”
confirmation that the police didn’t even bother with the courtesy of telling the club; who says they haven’t got an agenda?
Diz Anybuddy oan here really believe that there is
such a thing as COMPLETE and UNFETTERED..
“Freedom of Speech?”
Well.. Ah wull tell ye .. that Kojo …isnae taken in wi that Malarkey.
It’s a Crock!
The Accepted Axiom…”Freedom of Speech”
Is in the Same Boat.. as
“All Men are Created Equal”
Sure, All men Mebbe be CREATED Equally…as the Result of a Similar
Biologicall Act..
But..
As Far as Being
All Men Being EQUAL… in INTELLECTUAL Ability.. and Character and Atttitude.. and Personality… Adaptability etc…
They ur Jist No…
Na…No Way Hosay!
They Urnae!
Baith,of these MiSLEADING Axioms,to which Ah hiv referred are… CONCEPTS.. And High and Mighty Wans..at that!
But,in Practicality..
Baith…
Are
FALLACIOUS.
Ah believe in MA Ain AXIOMS, instead…. which, as ye kin Imagine… ur no Accepted Wans..By the Majority
but, that disnae Faze Me Wan wee Bit..
Noo,here is whit Ah Believe..
“Free Speech is Not Free at Awe.. and if ye Continue tae Believe it is..
It Wull coast ye..’DEARLY!”
and..
“Each Man wull reach tae his own Level of.. Incompetency”
Noo.. those are Facts.. No Concepts.
Face it,Guys,
All Men Are NOT Equal.
and
There is NO COMPLETELY UNFETTERED . “Freedom of Speech”
Thank ,Godot.
Otherwise, Guys like Me.. wid Never be able tae Earn A Living..
Fur..
In Ma Joab..
It pays tae be Smarter than the Average Bear!
So you guys who believe that it is O.K. tae Sing any kinda Song ,as ye li
Under that “AXIOM”.. “Freedom of Speech”..
Ye are Up a Gum Tree!
And The Celtic Fans who continue to Buck the System..by insisting that there
is Such an Anxiom.. as COMPLETE AND UNFETTERED ..”FREEDOM OF SPEECH:
Wull only succeed in Bringing Doon the Hoose of Celtica!!
Mark Ma Woids!
Kojo
seville67, gerrybhoy
glad you appreciate my efforts .. you should be thankful for me giving your miserable hun toadying efforts the time of day and you should queuing up waiting for my finger click so that you can kiss my hin end :-)
Hail Hail
My opinion is that we should stop the songs. I get that they are not sectarian and the SNP are bending the law over backwards not to enforce legislation that would fairly only punish the guilty. We should stop for two reasons. Principally we should stop because it harm Celtic and for that matter Ireland. Secondly it would sicken those out to do us wrong. Petty I know but it’s still another item on the credit side.
Mick says
All the more reason why at Boardroom Level, Celtic should be doing more to get rid of the Old Firm tag.
There was one that suggested the IRA should have targetted the financial centre.
yup that was Gerrybhoy .. I agreed with him I have to say .. and he was right as it worked out
Hail Hail
I am all for free speech. I really mean for ALL free speech.
If some people want the world to know that they hate this organisation or that or this ethnic group or that or this political route or that then I’d rather hear it. I think I am empowered by knowing.
Is it better the state (never an impartial entity no matter the strengths of consitutions etc) interferes and determines which weirdo can be heard and which can’t? Was the UK best served by not gagging Oswald Mosely – for sure. Was the UK best served by censoring Gerry Adams etc with voice overs etc – certainly not.
Laws of the land can deal with the real criminal evidence based excesses.
The SNP legislation is a nonsense which will be proven over time though it will cause hurt to someone meantime.
Having got that off my chest and stepped off my free speech soap box….. could someone help solve a puzzle and tell me WHY singing pro IRA songs at Celtic Park is appropriate, useful, inspiring or important? What is the motivation (other than its a right)?
Canamalar
My problem isn’t with your views on PL, you’re entitled to them as a supporter of Celtic. But he too, despite yours and my misgivings, is also a Celtic supporter and in my eyes that should exclude him from being termed, scum.
Just my opinion though mate and I can see that you’re not for shifting.
In my experience huns (of whatever persuasion/team) always mistake forbearance for cowardice. They also tend to hunt in packs. On their own, or even doubled up, whatever courage they once had deserts them. In “The Wee North”” we had and still have to some extent, those arbiters of morals and decency who would not help a starving man to his feet, much less feed him. I judge a man by what he is, and by his actions. I don’t think the “Ra” songs have much relevance at Celtic Park, but in my experience if you try to repress a thing because you don’t like it, it will only lead to sterner resistance. Thet are political songs. So what? Left alone, they will wither on the vine. Young men want to be noticed. What better way than to defy authority? As regards the Scottish press,tv, and radio, ther’s not a decent man among them, far less a reporter or commentator. If the Nazis had won WW2 they would still be right at home. Could you imagine any single one of them go on hunger strike for their beliefs? . No you couldn’t, for they believe in nothing. What a life, to have a black hole where compassion, morality, pity and kindness used to reside. They have lost that most precious of things, their soul.
Silver City…,
and when we stop singing those songs, do you think our detractors will be satisfied??
They are still saying Celtic on sectarian charge – Capital Radio
obonfanti1888
It seems ludicrous the pc plod can enter Celtic Park do what they want,film who they want, then report to who they like at the detriment of Celtic.
I’d like to know how man hours are used to harass Celtic supporters and how much it cost’s in this period of austerity?
New Korean cookbook…..100 ways to wok yer dog
Hail Hail
Estadio
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:25
There was one that suggested the IRA should have targetted the financial centre.
yup that was Gerrybhoy .. I agreed with him I have to say .. and he was right as it worked out
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Are you ‘THE GUB ‘ in green and white?
McNair
Sorry but thats got not proven written all over it!!
The jargon may try to say one thing but the intent is clear.
We all recall the response when the walks were being deliberately routed past republican/Catholic areas in the Garvaghy Road. “We have a right to walk down the Queen’s Highway..” etc etc. We knew that this was a complete pretence and that the whole intention was to rub it in, to swagger, to assert their legal authority over the Catholic community – and to do so on the back of a democratic right to free assembly, association and travel.
Whether we like it or not, we are in the same situation – only this time we are trying to say that we have the right to sing songs of our choosing to reflect the culture of the club, the origins of the club, the politics of some who support the club etc etc. We are deluding ourselves. Those who sing these songs do so because they wind up the opposition – not because they actually support the philsophy of these orgainzations. If they did support that philisophy they would move away from confrontational name-calling and the baiting of others on the basis of their beliefs. Only the pariah extremists now continue the armed struggle. All of the others are trying to sit down with Loyalists of every hue to iron out a better way.
We are trying to hide behind the same excuse that the Garvaghy Road marchers used. They too believe that they were criminalized for trying to do what they believe they had a right to do, something they had always done. Sounds familiar because that is the thread of so many bloggers on this and other sites.
We have no right to require the fans of any other team to stop singing, what are to us “offensive” songs, if we ourselves refuse to stop singing songs that they find offensive. The semantics of whether songs are sectarian or political is just a smokescreen to allow some on our support to continue singing songs that have nothing to do with Celtic FC, but have everything to do with trying to get one over on the other mob. We don’t want to hear chants about the UDA/UVF/UFF and all the stuff they did, so why is it ok to chant about a group that targeted Protestants similarly.
If you really want to change things in Scotland, you have to change your own mindset and stop looking for excuses to justify why it is “someone else’s fault”.
Most often I read of fans who just want a level playing field, and to be treated the same as others. Well, here’s your chance. If a chant was started that roared support for Al Queda or the BNP or some other group that we might loath, we would be the first to object.
We Celtic fans have become so convinced that “they are much worse than us” and that “we are the best fans in the world” that we refuse to step back and look at the bigger picture. We are part of the problem and therefore we are part of the solution. It doesn’t matter how much blame we think we should or should not shoulder in this, but if we want things to change we need to stop whining about how we won’t stop singing songs that the rest of Scotland consider to be every bit as offensive as any sectarian bile sung by other fans.
Others (Police, politicians, churches, lodges, media, and other football clubs etc) can all take responsibility for their own actions and intention: they surely have a lot to answer for.
I will not sing or shout the name of any other team at CP. I will not stand up to signify that “I hate” another team. I will not sing about religion or politics or sectarianism at CP. My Celtic is not about any of that. The ethos of my Celtic was and is about caring for the disadvantaged but also about building a bridge between people through support for the club. Mostly it was about love and not hate, because it was love that led to its founding.
Oh.. and great football and winning.
Finally, I have counted at least thirty songs on the cds sold by the club shop, and that doesn’t include “Just can’t get enough”. Why can’t the GB sing from that reportoire?
HH
RWE CSC
Translated from the spanish site Marca.com
UEFA open disciplinary proceedings against Celtic for “illegal songs” from their fans during the Champions League match against Stade Rennes on 3 November that ended with a 3-1.
“We confirm that UEFA has opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic for an incident of unsportsmanlike nature (illegal songs),” said the governing body of European football.
The songs, say the British media, would be related to the IRA, something against which the Scottish club is already working. You should now appear next December 8th to the Committee of UEFA Control and Disciplinary Body to defend against this charge.
Interesting part is that no-one knows what songs/chants UEFA are investigating, all the speculation/headlines are being driven by the ‘British’ media.
HH
Kojo,
while I don’t always agree with all of your sermons and while it took me a while to distil your post on this occasion, I do indeed agree with your final analysis, implying that unless the act gets cleaned up, this “Wull only succeed in Bringing Doon the Hoose of Celtica!!”.
HH Gerry
neveralone says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:25
Nail and head colliding at high velocity there. This isn’t about freedom of speech. If someone has something to say then organise a march or a protest somewhere. Just get it the **** out of Celtic Park.
Swiss
I meant to add that ‘chants of an unsportsmanlike nature’ now being used to sum up the charge.
If Celtic can’t beat this piece of nonsense…
HH
Swiss Tony says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:31
Just get it the **** out of Celtic Park.
what it it ? “illicit songs” or Eddie Smiths lies ?
Hail Hail
truth4767 says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:27
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:25
There was one that suggested the IRA should have targetted the financial centre.
yup that was Gerrybhoy .. I agreed with him I have to say .. and he was right as it worked out
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Are you ‘THE GUB ‘ in green and white?
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I agreed with no such thing. Violence solves NOTHING.
Gerry
Ceaser67 says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:28
McNair
Sorry but thats got not proven written all over it!!
I was thinking similar lines – the bill will be around for a few months then some legal eagle will tear it apart.
Awe Naw,
after years of CQN this was the first ever time the Hun word was used in any reference to me.
I knew it would be you.
Congratulations – predictable to the end.
Seville67
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:26
Try them and find out. They play the Fields on the PA along with Let the People Sing plus a few others. They want to sell Celtic to as wide an audience as they can but I doubt they are hoping to get the fans without a team soon to be from the other side of the city.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
14 November, 2011 at 16:26
Silver City…,
and when we stop singing those songs, do you think our detractors will be satisfie
No but they will struggle to find a way to pull us off the high ground. Is this a difficult concept?
HH Gerry