Well done to the Daily Record for revealing that SFA referee, Eddie Smith, was the policeman who reported Celtic fans to Uefa for singing offensive songs against Rennes last month. Smith was one of the referees who declined to make his services available as referees went on strike last season while Celtic took-on the SFA amid accusations of lies, bullying, sectarian behaviour and cover-ups among referees at the association. He is no longer on the Grade 1 list.
Following the strike the SFA Head of Referee Administration was removed from his post and referee, Dougie MacDonald, who was accused of lying to Celtic manager, Neil Lennon, resigned, prompting then-Celtic chairman, Dr John Reid, to say the club felt vindicated in raising their concerns.
Vindicated, no doubt, but with more than a few feeling bitter towards the club.
While the Daily Record can reflect on some good work today, bizarrely, the Scotsman newspaper accused Celtic fans of sectarian chanting at the Rennes game, something even police-gossip, Eddie Smith, didn’t accuse them of.
Why stop at accusations of sectarian behaviour? If the Scotsman are going to be ridiculous, why not accused Celtic fans of genocide and treason? Better still, just say lots of them have funny names, go to strange schools but will never ascent to the British throne.
Celtic have 123-years of non-sectarian history, it is downright offensive to suggest otherwise.
1,441 Comments- Pages:
- «
- 1
- ...
- 8
- 9
- 10
- 11
- 12
- 13
- 14
- ...
- 38
- »
I think something snapped in the psyche of Scotland’s haters of Catholics and the Irish when Neil Lennon “snarled” at sleekit McCoist after the Shame Game.
The establishment team had just put on the most dirty, fouling, cynical display of anti-football ever by a Scottish team and had flagrantly disrespected a referee whose only fault was to have been too lenient on them.
But the haters were transfixed by the image of Neil Lennon shown the next day by the media. They wanted revenge.
Never mind that there was no significant crowd trouble. Something had to be done. Something had to be done about that club with a Catholic Irishman as manager.
The cheating, referee-manhandling players were not punished. Sleekit McCoist was not punished. Only that Catholic Irishman was punished.
But banning him for a few matches was not enough. By playing football in the proper way his team had provoked the establishment team into showing their true colours. And he had snarled. Unforgiveable.
The hurt that was done to the establishment pysche required radical action. A summit. New legislation. Put Timmy in his place. Get the cops to get among them. Leniency for anyone who assaults Raging Lennon. The media can be relied on.
As Lenny said, “This is only the beginning”.
79caps says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:03
It has everything to do with the tax bill. Neil Lennon is just the icing on the cake.
Hail Hail
The Good…
Your point about them actively wanting us to continue with such songs is an interesting one.
I attended the FAC meeting on Saturday which you may or may not know was disrupted by around 40 ‘peepil’ walking into the theatre wearing poppies, orange hoodies and one even with a hun tracksuit. Which I found odd as the person in question had participated in Danny Dyer’s programme about football hooliganism in Glasgow and is known to be a leading light in the ICF.
Anyway I digress. It became clear during the constant interruptions that their point seems to be that we, the Celtic support are in fact to blame for this tidal wave of new legislation. They referred to us as ‘snitches’ and ‘grasses’. And that reporting of their sectarian/racist songs was exacerbated by interfering Tims. Someone even made reference to the Villareal team bus having a bottle thrown at it. Apparently that was our fault too.
I left with the impression that they want us to continue with our songs inside football stadium as it will permit them the opportunity to partake in the whatabouttery which they’ve become so adept at.
THE EXILED TIM says:
14 November, 2011 at 14:49
hope your right.
the Rymans North league would do as a start for me.
p
I don’t think this is a songs debate at all. It’s all about Quis custodiet ipsos custodies – or who’s watching the polis?
A few questions for Mr House:
Do match commanders in Scotland submit reports on crowd behaviour to UEFA as a matter of course?
If so, when did this reporting practice start?
Did UEFA request a police report or was it unsolicited?
Did Strathclyde Police inform Celtic, prior to the match, that it would submit a report to UEFA?
Did Strathclyde Police inform Celtic, after the game, that it had submitted a report to UEFA?
It would seem that some senior policemen are intent on making mischief with Celtic and its support. I hope that’s not true.
Well if the Policeman who reported our support to UEFA is indeed an alleged Celtic fan he joins an ever increasing list of Uncle Tims. In my humble opinion he is no more a Celtic fan than a member of Ibrox LOL 1690 is.
He joins the ranks of alleged Celtic fans who seem to revel in causing us hurt whilst fostering unrest within the support. Judging by the comments made on here by ‘alleged’ Celtic fans over the last couple of days the cult of Uncle tim seems to be gaining momentum and popularity. IE if sections of the crowd sing songs or express an opinion outwith what the Scots establishment deem acceptable there are seemingly many Celtic fans too willing to follow suit and add their condemnation.
Me i’d rather we didn’t sing the party songs but i know if push comes to shove where i will be standing – shoulder to shoulder with the GB.
Just an opinion mind you.
Typical, where are all these newbies on a Friday night when the Quiz is on………
SFTB….what was lunch today……Desperate Dan Pie…………
Paddy T
PS – Was at the Rennes game………….took Friday off, rather than travel back doon souf……..PMcCFA…no ma cuppa tea
The last few days we have had:
a) Stories about Anthony Stokes.
b) Stories about the boards interference reference Zenden.
c) Stories about that Neil will walk reference Zenden.
d) Fans sectarian singing now illicit singing.
e) Our board are trying to punish the Huns by applying for maximum punishment should they go bust.
f) Huns are too big too fail.
Does anyone else smell fear in the LL not only their livelihoods on the line but presumably threats about to come their way. The end game must be close lets sit back, enjoy and watch them implode!!!
oglach careful some posters won’t like that post………… ach go on yirself!
V
HH
RogueLeader – Hobby Tony is the Number One currywurst recognition software in all German speaking countries, except Germany.
Its features include:
* When currywurst is detected, it triggers a song by Münchener Freiheit.
* Free subscription to “Moustache & Mullet” magazine.
* A signed copy of Andy Thom’s autobiography, “Ich Liebe Dich Nicht, Du Liebst Mich Nicht”.
(thumbsup)
Awe Naw @ 15.04
I’m not so sure it has everything to do with the tax bill. How aware were the politicos of that at the time of the Shame Game? The tax bill may be exacerbating their anger, but I think it comes down to those dark emotions in the Calvinist pysche. Some things go on and on.
Moonbeams WD. \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. C’mon the hoops. says:
14 November, 2011 at 14:48
Declan
I’ve never met a staunch Celtic man in my life.
We refer to ourselves ‘Good Celtic Men’.
Learn the lingo.
MWD
————————–
or better still , I love it when someone refers to one of our own as an RGT ……
as in
“och you must know Joe, he wis at your school, went on the shammy bus, he is an RGT, a right good tim”
as big a compliment as it comes.
79caps – some good points in there i think. ally should have been punished for what he did that night.
hamiltontim says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:05
Indeed an interesting point; some folks might even think we were paranoid! ;-)
HH Gerry
BontyBhoy @ 14:52
You’re missing the point. The attack is on the free speech of members of the Celtic support – no one else. And it certainly isn’t the first time. It wasn’t that long ago they wanted us to remove our flag.
You don’t have to agree with everything that different groups of a population say to feel the need to defend free-speech, do you?
Declan Is Neil Lennon 1888 says:
14 November, 2011 at 14:34
‘staunch celtic men’
– — — — — — –
Curious choice of language to be used in description of Celtic supporters!
I am extremely concerned that the proposed new legislation which had its genesis with the Glasgow police is being acted out prematurely by Smith as police policy (to fail?), as part of an agenda to make, or reinforce, the case that new laws are needed.
79caps
upmost in their minds.
Lobbying in the background has been incessant.
It´s a shame Sir David Murray has left such a big mess……
Hail Hail
Philvis,
yup and if you have access to photograph databases .. it is quite incredible what you can find out. As I work for the taxman I cant say too much but I would recommend you to switch it off.
Hail Hail
THE EXILED TIM says:
14 November, 2011 at 14:49
TET
Couple of things – if the Board (or any significant shareholders) really believed this why not put the boot in financially instead of taking the feet off the gas and allowing 3iar and possibly now 4iar, thereby supporting them financially?
Secondly, I’ll take you up on your bet for the cave – I’ve fancied a trip out there since you posted the pics of the pool!
Big Packie’s Accent – it is just a word mate, dont get your shirt in a twist
Petec
Must be for facebook users only. Here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57010563@N06/6343789775/in/photostream
Only 340 days to go until the Poppy debate starts – no synchronised card display at Ibrox next year though … unless Tesco decide to put a display up…
Use of the word ‘staunch’ to describe Celtic supporters…
Use of the word ‘ally’ to describe the fat PL…
Over/mis use of semi colons…
The lunatics are most definitely attempting to take over the asylum…
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo – Remember that film “Minority Report”?
Tom Cruise was trying to warn us.
Facebook is a lot more insidious than Scientology. If you’re daft enough to give your money to Xenu or whatever, you deserve what you get.
People use Facebook and think it’s this wonderful free service. But if you’re not paying for something, you’re not the customer, you’re what’s being sold. At least Google just wants to put ads in front of your eyeballs. Facebook wants to know everything about you and share it with the world.
Can’t be long now till not being on Facebook negatively affects your credit rating. (thumbsup)
Oh and how could I forget the repeated mixed metaphors…
fritzsong says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:06
“It would seem that some senior policemen are intent on making mischief with Celtic and its support. I hope that’s not true.”
Sadly it does seem to be; how else can you explain the cops going direct to UEFA without informing the club? When, by all accounts, this has never been done before? Also noteworthy that this took place days after the plod were made to look like fools at the Hibs game as well as the FAC demo that same day; hopefully this latest gambit will fail, would be a mighty embarrassment if UEFA told them that there was nothing wrong. Where on earth would it leave their precious bill if the games governing body came to this conclusion?
Amazing to think all this nonsense began because Rangers lost the rag in a cup game and NL and Fat Sally went head to head; makes you wonder just what might have happened if Neil had just stood there and done the Brooney instead (thats no criticism of Neil btw but just cant help feel none of this nonsense would have come to a head but for that); all the while, last season when our manager’s very life was in danger not to mention being attacked at work and players (irish catholic ones no less) were being sent bullets is being quickly forgotten in the rush to criminalize the celtic support; how does criminalizing celtic supporters stop attacks against celtic staff? there’s a question that should be asked in parliament.
I used to be fairly ambivalent towards the snp, thinking they’d left all their past shall we say ‘baggage’ behind them. Now? If this is how they deal with ‘sectarianism’ now I hate to see what will happen if they ever secure independence. I’m one potential yes voter they’ve forever lost over this astonishingly reactionary legislation. For the record I am against IRA chants at celtic; the club has consistently asked people not to do so and they should go; but no amount of lies and misinformation is ever going to convince me that “the celtic symphony” or “boys of the old brigade” are ‘sectarian’; they patently are not.
Apologies for length, I just despair at how events are panning out though maybe I shouldn’t be too surprised.
The Exiled Tim, you have been a constant in terms of wee snippets about our exit plan..
now this guy is no mug when he invests other peoples hard earned, one thing for sure is he aint investing so much in the premise that we will be staying in the SPL!!! ;)
http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/why-has-nick-train-bought-a-6-stake-in-celtic-football-club/a537767
Glad a few got the horse on E/W..
Vmhan,The scarf will be waiting for you when you arrive in Derry!!
I see Graham Spiers (who many here seem to think is alright) is putting the boot into us and demanding action, despite the fact we’ve not been found guilty of anything yet:
“I just don’t get Celtic’s complaint. Rangers have been embarrassed for years by sections of their support. Now it is Celtic’s turn. Sort it.”
He’s one of the one’s I think is most under the spell of Media House actually. He’s towing the new line very well, I don’t buy all the ‘yellow card’ stuff at all. It’s a smokescreen.
obofanti 1888,
I agree with every word.
I’ve lived, luckily, through the war in N.Ireland. It was a war, make no mistake about it. Against the Republican movement was enlisted every singe thing–firepower, manpower, Special Powers act, courts,newpapers, job selection–anything you can think of. We got through it because we took everything they threw at us. Informers, special courts, no-jury trials. Castle Catholics were the hardest to endure. We even had men condemned by the church, and a kow-towing bishop in Daly. We got through it because we wanted equality of esteem, and a right to be heard. We wanted justice for our children and their children. What we have may not be perfect, but by Christ no-one has their boot on my neck. What Celtic are facing is the same. Paul67 is right–watch your backs, and watch your front as well. The Republican movement was infiltrated. What makes you think similar things can’t happen to Celtic?
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
14 November, 2011 at 11:38
The game you refer to was Stirling Albion v Rangers
Here’s a taste of what was posted on FF
Originally Posted by Grandmaster_Suck
A Rangers spokesman said: “We are looking into this as we have received a variety of reports about fan behaviour last night, ranging from praise for the fans who attended the game to allegations of sectarian singing by one small group. We note there were no arrests and police have confirmed there was no suggestion the game would be stopped at any time. We have asked Central Scotland Police for any CCTV footage that will help us to investigate further.”
If these allegations from the police prove to be false or exagerated surely Fat Eck, who is so determined to preserve the good name of Scotland and Scottish football, should sack those who have malisciously sought to portray Scotland and its people in such a bad light.
—————————————————————————————————————————————
was standing with the section and the only song which Plod regarded as sectarian was The Sash, and it was the copper from Northern Ireland that said this.
The list of songs off the top of my head which were sung was as follows;
God Save The Queen
Super Rangers Ole
Wolverhampton Town
Three Cheers
Follow Follow
Barcelona 1972
The Sash
Derrys Walls
Stand up/Sit down for the champions
If you hate Lennon/ Sent Bullets
Fathers Advice
Ally’s Blue & White Army
Ian Durrant tune
King Billys on the Wall
German Bombers
UDR4
Build My Gallows
Any other Bears there last night who can spot any omissions from the list feel free to add but I stress there was no abudnance of FTP’ing or any rendition of TBB to be heard.
—————————————————————————————————————–
I have spoken to someone who works for the club and when I asked them what songs were sung she couldn’t name them but said a group of youngsters had added FTP to a song which I assume could only be the Sash.
she also claims that the claims from the Albion directors about the game NOT getting stopped at half time was bullshit and that the police seriously wanted it stopped.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan…ntral-14143336
Fortunes Favour Mibbes says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:14
Don’t think it’s a songs issue nor a free speech issue. (Personally, I could see RA chants far enough.)
But I do think that some establishment figures have got it in for us. They can’t stand the fact that only the Rangers support is seen internationally as an affront to decency. One way or another they are hell-bent on dragging Celtic down to the the same level. To this end they seize on a peripheral issue, grotesquely exaggerate it then demand – Something Must Be Done About Celtic.
Anyone actually think that the debate taking place within both supports can actually be a good thing in the long term for both clubs.
Although both are being dragged kicking and screaming we need sanctions imposed to spike the loonies.
Then we can get back to kicking each other all over the football field again.
What a smashing thought.
BontyBhoy says:
14 November, 2011 at 14:52
Bontybhoy – The intelligent, thoughtful, compassionate, moral and ethical man
whom, by the way, is not egotistical !!!
playfusball
If I were a betting man, my money would be on the championship if england is the destination, with a clause that there would be no promotion for a specified period.
A 2/3 tier euro league could be set up, but this may take longer than needs be, whatever it’s to be, a scottish league will not be where we play football.
Football in scotland as we know it is finished, DD wants out, he will get his wish, and I believe that our departing chairman will have a helping hand in these matters.
hamiltontim says:
14 November, 2011 at 15:25
Oh and how could I forget the repeated mixed metaphors…
HT
What memories youve brought back they were some band the repeated mixed metaphors, no a patch on the outrageous oxymorons right enough, hey they could cause a stir