I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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I see the Warboler is talking about putting seven past us, does heknow the significance of seven?
bankiebhoy1
You have mail
.RES 12. …our support turns its lonely eyes to you Fergus McCann.
Last call for anyone at a loose end tonight.
An Gorta Mor quiz night to support the building of a permanent memorial to the victims of the Great Hunger.
Squirrel Bar just off the Gallowgate, starting at 7pm and followed by live music.
Tickets at the door are £5/person.
I see the Warboler is talking about putting seven past us, does he know the significance of seven?
jeez – I’m bricking it already – big big game tomorrow – think of all the amazing celts who didn’t get a chance of 5IAR
Semi date Sun again 17th April 12 noon
SCOTT Brown knows what it takes to win a league title. He’s done it five times already during his Celtic career, so his experience in the dressing-room will be vital over the next couple of months as the Hoops chase what would be their fifth championship in a row.
It’s all about winning at this stage of the campaign and Ronny Deila’s side will be aiming to collect three points this Saturday when they take on Partick Thistle at Firhill.
And Brown, whether beforehand in the dressing-room or in his pre-match Huddle pep talk, will be emphasising to his team-mates the need to win this Glasgow derby.
“We’re Celtic so we should be winning the league no matter what,” he said. “That’s why I joined the club all those years ago and it’s why all the lads are coming into the dressing-room. They want that league as much as anybody does.
“We need to go out there and keep winning games and keep getting points on the board. Sometimes it doesn’t need to be pretty football, it can be ugly, but three points is three points and hopefully we can get five-in-a-row.”
Celtic’s lead at the top of the Scottish Premiership was reduced to one point following Aberdeen’s midweek victory at Firhill, albeit the Hoops now have a game in hand and a vastly superior goal difference.
And while pre-match media conferences are already dominated by questions from journalists about the forthcoming Scottish Cup semi-final, Brown and his Celtic team-mates know they are plenty of vital fixtures facing them before they visit the National Stadium.
“We’ve got a competitive edge now, with Aberdeen just a point behind us, although we’ve got a game in hand,” the Celtic skipper said. “It’s competitive week in, week out. It doesn’t matter who you play, every game just now, at this stage of the season is a huge game for us and we should be thriving on it.
“And from now on there should be no excuses for us. We need to go out there and keep winning games and keep getting points on the board.”
@OfficialCFC
I may be talking out of turn here and not a little apprehensive, but it has been announced in the last hour or so that our semi-final at Hampden will be on the 17th April at 12.00 noon.
Just in case anyone is interested.
Hail Hail
Matt
@Jamesgang ..Thanks for reply..
That’s two of us then:)
H.H.
If only it were true
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 11th March 2016 5:23 pm
I hear merchandising down over 30%
Financials need a lift, old firm fever in the boardroom
Need to go meeting that Trotskyist fae the CT, wolfie wae his Lenin T shirt, beret and Kalashnikov rifle :-)))))
HAMILTONTIM on 11TH MARCH 2016 5:35 PM
Last call for anyone at a loose end tonight.
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I hope you have a very successful night
HH
CRC
The efforts of a few good men here are nothing short of amazing.
But I don’t share the confidence some have in UEFA’s integrity. They can practice the dark arts ever bit as well as their domestic counterparts.
Matt..,
That should tie in nicely for the CFCB investigation team, free tickets eh
Why wouldn’t they want to investigate when there’s free old firm tickets on the go :oD)))
Partick Thistle manager Alan Archibald wants his team to exploit any title-race nerves Celtic might be feeling when they visit Firhill on Saturday.
He told BBC Scotland: “They are in a title race, Aberdeen are only a point behind them. There is pressure.
“So if there are any kind of nerves we need to capitalise on them.
“If we can silence the crowd by not giving anything away in the first 15 minutes that might put a bit of pressure on them.”
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Only in Scotland could the manager of the home team say that he is looking to silence the crowd.
I’m not going to the semi v sevco, I saw their first game against us and they were rubbish☺
Lionroars
I’m putting on my Che Guevara thing as I type! :-)
CRC
Thank you M, much appreciated.
Fritz..,
They have a choice, answer our questions or answer the polis :)
Having read back and Paul’s leader. The question is why aren’t the board willing to progress Res 12 to UEFA. It’s ok saying the blame should lie with the SAD, I think the majority understand that but surely, if genuinely interested, the board should be more proactive. My opinion is that they are not interested, I’ve been wrong on many occasions in the past and I would like to be wrong again.
H.T. Well done in your strong defence of the trust. Admirable and necessary, in my opinion, too many mistruths out there. I hope your evening in the Squirrel to fundraise for a permanent memorial to the great hunger is a success.
Again folks some great posts today. Pog. A few of us at lunch in work were thinking you were bang on with your comments.
Well, well well
Got a reply from JPT
Standard and as expected, nothing in it.
Hi TET
Thanks for your email, I will of course pass on your views on this matter, my apologies for the delay in responding I have been out the office for most of the past couple of days however I’m aware there has been a lot of discussion around this matter.
The Club does not comment on social media exchanges, but I can confirm that the Club’s board continues to act in the best interests of Celtic and our supporters. The Club has been in dialogue with the shareholders involved in resolution 12 from the 2013 AGM and this will continue.
Best regards
JP
Predictive text SAD should read SFA but I’m sure most if not all knew that
TET,
That’s the same reply we got from the SFA :)
Canamalar…..
Free Tickets? No wonder there’s no announcement on the official website…. Can you imagine the phone call….”Hi Christopher, Dermot here….so what’s the margin for the semi final………”
“Eh, the tickets are free Dermot……Dermot?…..Dermot?…..PARAMEDIC!!!!!”
“Hi Paramedic here….How you doing Mr McKay…I’m a member of the Trust you know…..I’ll get there just as soon as I can….just got to was my skirting boards.”
(No one was harmed in the above sketch and any similarity to effective board members is purely intentional)
Hail Hail
Matt
Canamalar
Sorry, just realised what your quite rightly suspicious mind was getting at.
My head was turned and my grip on reality was unchained by the mention of free tickets. :)
Hail Hail
Matt
Cabman
Dinny be telling me that, my paranoia will be going into overdrive, one and the same :-)
HH
Canman
Sorry
Dear JP,
As a shareholder to Celtic FC Plc
SHARE Ref …….
I would like to know if Celtic FC Plc will be inviting the CFCB to investigate the licensing procedures of the SFA for season 2011/12 before the prosecution deadline takes effect ?
Regards
Shareholder
Matt…,
:oD))))) copulatin magic :oD)))
I only go to Celtic Park (SB), Firhill and Hampden to see the Tims – I am always ‘a bag of nerves’ at Hampden, increasingly fraught at Celtic Park and, for the very first time, I am low on confidence as Firhill looms up tomorrow.
Quite frankly I am appalled at the deep dip in our level of performance – we used to look at the upcoming fixtures and be able to ‘tick off’ certain wins – sadly that is no longer the case.
I am not trying to be a ‘prophet of doom’ and would be delighted if a good result and performance tomorrow heralds a new dawn – but recent evidence does not support this, indeed would any of us be the least surprised if we dropped points against Thistle?
The next twelve weeks will be as worrying, some might say exciting, as the Tommy Burns title that we won at Tannadice – we had a very much better squad then – everything crossed HH
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom
:0D)))))) I am not trying to be a ‘prophet of doom :0D))))))
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom
Pastry that’s almost as funny as Matt’s
Just a ‘quickie’ on the Res12 situation.
I fail to see how UEFA could respond to our individual fans/shareholders on this issue – a precedent would be set whereby disgruntled fans of any of the 454 UEFA registered clubs could do likewise – chaos would reign!!!
Who is actually surprised that the concerned parties were playing the waiting game with Res 12 – hoping it would all just go away – the only people who are sticking with it and are suitably concerned selection of fans involved – I wish them well and they have my full support
Cananalmar@ 6:26 – instead of calling names – tell me exactly where you disagree with the points I make?
UEFA investigated Celtic when a bunch of hun supporters contacted them re Lennoxtown and state aid.
Hamiltontim,
Thank you for your reply. And I Do respect you. I know you have only Celtic at heart.
I came to the conclusion about the Trust from my own observations as to how leading members have conducted themselves at both various AGMs going back a number of years and a meeting I attended at Celtic Park prior to Neil Lennon being appointed manager. I was not enamoured.
P.S. I would certainly not be averse to yourself being appointed as a fan representative. If that sounds contradictory, it isn’t meant as such. You are an example to us all.
Mr Pastry,
I happen to agree with you, and that is the best argument yet for the club and not individual shareholders to progress this.
If I was being cynical I would suggest that the club would also know that.
HH.
the new firm is already getting on my moobs – find another enemy ya hun dullards