I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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Excuse my ignorance, Batman, nickname for who
Don’t think Big Jock would have had much time for nutritionists or video analysts, bloody farce the lot of it. Yes I know the game has moved on, but for the better?
prestonpans bhoys…..smileyfacething.
Why the hell don’t the board just get the letter done, I really don’t understand.
Lennybhoy
Have a great day with your mammy.
Hope she and u have a great day
HH
I’m already wondering about the eventual fallout from this Res 12 fiasco: Any combination of the following is possible: (a) Regan for the chop, (b) Lawwell for the chop.
Oh, and (c) Superman signs for the Hoops …
Aiden Bhoy
I sort of see Mcg and Broony inter-changing in my selection.
Incidentally, am I the only one left now who still believes that Ronny has what it takes to be a very real success?
I don`t know if he will be given the years required but, if he is, I expect great things from him .
On that note, I will say goodnight to one and all and hope for a victory tomorrow.
JJ
Lasley now knows what it is like
Thanks Bhoys, big Family celebration tomorrow, all the Clan will be there apart from Jim, my Dad who left us on 18/10/1999 but he will be with us in Spirit.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Everyone know that CQN is going off line around 10pm. Moving to a new server thing or something similar. Meant to take at least an hour. I had loads of really clever, insightful stuff I planned to post as well. *..just coming, my dearest…*
Sky arts/virgin 122
The seventies
HH
@TET..
I see you got a reply from Taylor…Lucky You.
Hope that’s cleared everything up for you….
And you can rest tonight happy…….:)
The way this is going we can recognise our board at the next home gemme…
Wae the big yellow stripe doon their back….
H.H.
Jungle Jim
Unfortunately don’t think Ronny is the man for the job.
Anyway close down time 22.00 hours…….the western for tonite is ” along came jones” starring ,,,gary cooper and loretta young til tomorrow
Jobo Baldie on 11th March 2016 9:10 pm
Can you give an early weather report just in csse ?
Who is closing doon the blog? Its Friday night and am getting wired into the stella,and have loads of pish videos to post and somebody is shutting the blog doon.
Woe is me,
Up the res12,
HH
Drambowiecelt
TET
I got a reply from John Paul Taylor too.
In fact it was more or less the same reply.
HH
SJ
Goodnight Timland.
See you all the morra if we are still on-line
after this server thingy
LudditeandproudCFC.
I take it the match is on TV tomorrow. What channel is it on??
Just had a wee read on Hail Hail Media. Its on newsnow celtic
Its an article by Paul Larkin about the Green Brigade at last Sunday’s game.
In it he says John Paul Taylor was sitting near the Green Brigade.
Paul mentioned Two polis appeared eyeing up the Green Brigade and John Paul asked the two of them why were they there. Some pleasantries were exchanged and the polis left .
He also saw a teenager being questioned by polis asking why he was in that part of the stadium.
It was an interesting read
HH
Drambowiecelt
Yip it cleared it all up :-)
It’s things like this where the media comes in handy for the club, they won’t report it cos it might harm the huns, the suits are laughing.
HH
@ rebus67 on 11th March 2016 8:43 pm
If the three majority controlling shareholders agree on what to vote. No other votes matter. The boards stance was to vote against as they at that time felt it was unnecessary. I did not want an embarrassing AGM for Celtic. The goal is to have SFA investigated. I asked to meet Celtic with a view to a resolution to the Resolution. RBTH and I then met PL with Canamalar on speaker phone and it was agreed it was necessary.
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@SJ…Thanks.. i see a pattern developing ……
Mabye he’s out of his depth….
H.H.
@Dixie ..love your links…..
See if you can find this one during the course of the night
Especially for our Board”
Why?Why dont you write..Oh tell me Please tell me.
Johnny Drovandi csc. H.H.
The page loading time on the new CQN site is significantly better. Other improvements too.
See you at the other side.
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John Lee Hooker
Boom Boom Boom Boom
HH
Morrissey,
Tx for the info. I have abetter understanding now of events.
Rebus
Not sure tonight about the Famine Memorial effort.
Reached The Squirrel at 6.15, shutters down. Bought some Guinness in Trader’s Tavern to pass the time, no regulars had a clue about the night.
In The Squirrel 7.10, cold pub no music. Bar staff not a scoobie about the night. Wasted six picks on the jukebox, tunes not available. Whit?
Not one person I spoke to said they were going to Firhill.
Good luck with the night. No Celts involved.
Paul67
Paul, so where does that leave us in the meantime?
In Limbo?
Or in Purgatory!
Paul67 – good luck with the upgrade, I know fom experience what can happen if you haven’t taken a recent backup.
Can I ask, please, that you answer my question on page 1 of this thread – why did the board wait two months to tell the the RES 12 guys that they (the Board), were not engaging with UEFA.
Hail hail.
Is there a prize for last post on old server?
RES12, gon yirsel…
Will anyone know what the last post is?
I’m making a bid for it anyway by posting any old cac.
What’s new?
HH
@Guy……Really? whit a shambles….if thats the case.
H.H.
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Stagger lee
Lloyd price
HH