I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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show me calling names ???
everything but the forlorn hope was doom
I must admit while people are concentrating on asking the board t perform it might give the players and manager a bit of breathing space, no ?
I have better expectations of the champions than you obviously.
As for people going to UEFA, they would likely, like us need evidence, I imagine such a requirement puts off millions of hopefuls right away and a quick scan of the complaint would identify if there was enough evidence to ask those charged what the beef was, no.
So, here’s the trick, if you cant deal with the administration then don’t get involved or make rules.
@ Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma 11th March 2016 12:56 pm
You have my permission to say so. Managing you three guys from a distance is a joy.
With regards to Auldheid:
‘One day there may be a statue of @Auldheid outside Celtic park.’ 8 Nov 2013 @Morrissey23rd
https://twitter.com/Morrissey23rd/status/398913210947870721
Mr Pastry
No worries, we will thrash Thistle
And we will win the league.
Thats not the problem.
HH
EXILEDTIM@6:34
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It was in fact the European Commisson and not UEFA who carried out the Sevco fan’s spurious ‘state aid’ investigation.
THE EXILED TIM on 11th March 2016 6:34 pm….. Do you know how they contacted UEFA?
THEGREENMAN@6:48 – I have never wished you to be more right HH
Mr P
My mistake, it’s no very often I am wrong mind you :-)
HH
WBC
See above :-(
HH
come on pastry you accused me of name calling, wheres the evidence ?
Mr Pastry
Sack the Board…Support the team.
Griff will turn it on tomorrow.
We have the best players in this league…when it matters, they will show that.
Watch Scott Brown, Griff, KT, Erik….Those Bhoys want to win.
Cmon the Celts
HH
CANAMALAR @6:44
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I have always had expectations, some time too many for Celtic – these days they are tempered by reality, or, maybe I’m just getting old and cynical.
Ole Hoops legend Georgios Samaras has signed for Rayo Oklahoma………… ( nope me neither )
Re the boards stance on resolution 12 (if sitting on something can be called a ‘stance’).
I can’t help feeling that if it had been Aberdeen or Hearts who had been erroneously granted the licence by the SFA instead of the Govanites, the phone line from the CP boardroom to the SFA and EUFA would have been red hot.
To think only a couple of weeks ago MrPastry was telling everyone to ‘get off the boards back they are doing a splendid job and you are just too ignorant to understand how a business is run.’
Before that the manager was the best thing since sliced bread, I just cant take this guy seriously he leaps from bandwagon to bandwagon.
bandwagon slapper, there I called you a name, happy, I think you owed me that :OD))
Good Evening Timland.
Big game the morra.
Cheltenham fever building.
thetruththeabsolutetruthCSC.
bournesouprecipe on 11th March 2016 6:58 pm
Will the local car dealer be supplying Georgious with a surry with a fringe on the top?
GDT,
come on :) like aberdeen or hearts would get away with a fraudulent application, jeez :)
Canamalar
Many a true word spoken in jest:))
BOURNESOUPRECIPE on 11TH MARCH 2016 6:58 PM
Ole Hoops legend Georgios Samaras has signed for Rayo Oklahoma………… ( nope me neither )
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Hope he does well.
PS Speaking to a ” Long time Employee” at the Park today.
Latest count is 18 Norwegians on the books,so anyone that thinks RD and that entourage is going out anytime soon is mistaken given that level of backing.
Mr Pastry on 11th March 2016 6:49 pm….yes sir, correct. My heid is getting fried with this whole scenario…(and that possibly is what the brown brogues are hoping for)…
Morissey23…,
what are you up to you naughty bhoy, playing secret squirrel I hear :)
any meetings in Dublin to attend :)
excathedra44 on 11th March 2016 7:06 pm
From what I understand, the bulk of those Norwegians are back room staff who would no doubt be on the same plane home as Ronny.
Anyroadup,
bawbaws time for this unrepentant fenian B’stard
night night n hail hail timdom
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Matt Stewart on 11th March 2016 5:47 pm
I may be talking out of turn here and not a little apprehensive, but it has been announced in the last hour or so that our semi-final at Hampden will be on the 17th April at 12.00 noon.
Just in case anyone is interested.
Hail Hail
Matt
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Only coverage of the second-half….?
Just like BBC World Service in the Olden Days….
“We’ll just go over to Lisbon to take coverage of the 1967 European Cup Final,where the Timmites are being trounced 1-0 by the peerless Italian aristocrats,as we kick-off for the second-half…”
Perhaps they’ll wheel out David Francey for the commentary….?
“Oh dear,oh dear !”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/14922904
Legendary BBC Scotland Sports Commentator dies (2011)
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@ Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on 11th March 2016 7:08 pm
What has Mark Daly told you?
GLENDALYSTONSILS on 11TH MARCH 2016 7:09 PM
excathedra44 on 11th March 2016 7:06 pm
From what I understand, the bulk of those Norwegians are back room staff who would no doubt be on the same plane home as Ronny.
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That’s correct,point is they will all have Contracts and if on the Plane
will represent a lot of wasted cash.
RES 12……It would surprise you the number of people who are not clued up on res. 12…… surprise surprise !!!!. Someone on here said last night said Alex Thomson was back in town…now theres a guy who likes a story….maybe he needs updated on whats happening……loved the way he got ripped into Klown Keevins thon night…… The Klown replied he was too concerned about some football match he was covering 4 days previously…someone said distribute 40k pamphlets next home game outside the stadium…..I say drop them from the upper tier if its still open.
EXCATHEDRA @ 7:06
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You astonish me when you say 18 from Norway at Celtic – apart from Ronny and Stefan, do we know the various designations of our Nordic friends?
Mr Pastry on 11th March 2016 7:24 pm
As Glendalystonsils, suggested, and he is correct,it appears mainly backroom,sports scientists,nutritionists,a Mr and Mrs Doctor team,physio(s) also changed,I don’t have a definitive list.
@ rebus67 on 11th March 2016 2:16 pm
Getting the adjournment was an important achievement. The resolution has never been withdrawn. Indeed you are commenting on it due to activity of this live mandate.
@ timbhoy3 on 11th March 2016 2:28 pm
Did you see what happened on the Southside to the blindly, loyal faithful? HH
Who would win in a fight between Batman v Superman?
@ rebus67 on 11th March 2016 2:58 pm
Our intention was and remains to have the SFA investigated. Being outvoted as we would have been would prevented us achieving that objective.
glendalys
Bring him home
excathedra44
They’re here for the TEN
@ Celtic Mac on 11th March 2016 3:32 pm
Resolution 12 (2013)
http://www.celtictrust.net/index.php?func=d_home_documents_view&id=47
BRTH * Note
Bournesouprecipe,
Batman who has kryptonite :-)
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batman 0
The green lantern