I have been in touch with a few of the Resolution 12 guys this week, and ‘Brogan, Rogan, Trevino and Hogan’, offered to write a synopsis, as some of the matters which have appeared on social media in recent days required clarification.
Thanks to the BRTH, and the rest of the guys, who I understand all approved the article. It reads:
“There is a great deal of chat on social media this week about Res 12 which was tabled and adjourned at the 2012 AGM of Celtic PLC, and so I want to clarify a couple of things which Paul has allowed me to do here
As a reminder, the exact terms of the resolution are to be found here:
This AGM requests the Board exercise the provision contained in the Procedural Rules governing the UEFA Club Financial Control Body Article 10 with jurisdiction and investigation responsibilities identified in articles 3 & 11 (Note-1), by referring/bringing to the attention of the UEFA Club Financial control Body (CFCB), the licensing administration practices of The Scottish Football Association (SFA), requesting the CFCB undertake a review and investigate the SFA’s implementation of UEFA & SFA license compliance requirements, with regard to qualification, administration and granting of licenses to compete in football competitions under both SFA and UEFA Jurisdiction, since the implementation of the Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations of 2010.
While the Celtic PLC Board originally viewed the resolution as unnecessary, once further consideration of the issues raised by the shareholders had been examined, the Celtic board changed their mind and agreed to adjourn the resolution with a view to working with the shareholders representatives by investigating the procedures complained of and making enquiries of the SFA.
In the intervening period of time, there have been numerous meetings and consistent correspondence between those shareholders and officials of Celtic PLC, all with a view to furthering the aims of Res 12, and there is no doubt that the Celtic board have played a full part in taking the resolution to where it now stands.
Whilst the investigation process was slow, both shareholders and the board were satisfied that there was merit in seeking answers from the SFA, as previous responses to earlier enquiries from Celtic PLC were not convincing or sufficiently detailed.
Working together, the board and the shareholders have seen to it that formal letters of enquiry have been sent to the SFA, together with various pieces of documentation and supporting evidence.
Through the shareholders’ lawyers, the SFA were asked to answer specific detailed questions in relation to their procedures, however the SFA responded by saying they would not answer any questions other than through the “member club” i.e. the board of Celtic PLC.
This raises an issue for all football supporters – especially those who are shareholders in a football club – and it begs the question whether or not supporters and shareholders should be able to hold a governing body to account in the event of maladministration.
I believe they should but that is a bigger issue for another day and it will be revisited in due course.
However, what is most important for everyone to know is that there can be no doubt that serious questions have been asked, were asked of the right people and were backed up by documentation prepared in conjunction with the board of Celtic PLC.
I have seen speculation yesterday that perhaps Celtic did not fully know of what was going on or that somehow there had not been full and forensic research completed into the matters concerned etc, or that Celtic PLC have done nothing to back the resolution. All of that is simply not true and at all times the Celtic PLC board have been party to, and have played their part in, the entire process.
The whole purpose of writing to the SFA in the first place was to afford the powers that be within Hampden the chance to avoid a potential enquiry by UEFA into the way that they handled UEFA licence applications in 2011.
The SFA did not take that chance and ducked answering the detailed legal questions put to them by the Shareholders’ solicitors and instead chose to respond saying they would only explain matters to Celtic PLC and their board.
It would now appear that the SFA are prevaricating (again) in giving any meaningful response to Celtic PLC and so, after a period of silence, the obvious next stage in the process is to make formal enquiries and investigations through UEFA.
At the outset, both the board and the shareholders agreed that this would be the inevitable outcome if the SFA were not full, frank and forthright in providing any response.
Both the Celtic PLC board and the shareholders wish the matter to be referred to UEFA at this time, that is agreed, especially as there is a need to ensure that there is no prospect of any investigation being time barred by the UEFA rules which place a five year time limit for proceedings.
However, it is here that there is a divergence of opinion between the board and the shareholders. The shareholders believe that any reference to UEFA should come from the club, while the club would prefer the shareholders to refer the matter to UEFA in line with the previous enquiries made to the SFA.
However, I stress both parties have stated they want the matter placed before the appropriate UEFA committee.
As of yesterday, it was agreed that the Shareholders will formally write to UEFA via their solicitors, but they believe that ultimately this will be, and should be, a matter for the club as it is undoubtedly the case that any complaint to UEFA will have to make reference to the correspondence and answers already provided to Celtic PLC via the SFA.
There is also no doubt that whoever refers the matter to UEFA, that same body will end up having to make enquiries of Celtic PLC as it was to Celtic that the SFA said they would reply, and it was to Celtic PLC that the SFA gave previous replies by way of correspondence.
Accordingly the board will have to advise UEFA quite clearly what those replies entailed, comment on the matters raised in the shareholders letter, and whether or not they, as a board, are satisfied with the replies provided to the board by the SFA.
Accordingly, once the matter goes to UEFA there is no prospect of the Celtic Board not being further involved.
What is also quite clear is that once the shareholders have referred the matter to UEFA, there is very little else they can do as an independent body. They have taken this as far as they can, have worked with the PLC board, engaged independent solicitors and formally presented questions to the SFA together with supporting documentation and all with the help and support of the board of Celtic PLC.
If there is a clamour for greater representation and accountability for the ordinary football fan then they can lend their support to that – irrespective of what team the fan may support.
However, in relation to the particulars of Res 12, the shareholders have approached the board, worked with the board ( and acknowledge that the board have worked with them ) but ultimately it is for the PLC to take these matters to their final conclusion as the board of directors represent the whole PLC and speak with a far stronger corporate voice.
That was the whole purpose of the resolution in the first place.”
If I (Paul67) can add a few comments….
People in public or quasi-public bodies don’t get sacked as often for making mistakes as for the subsequent cover up. I have seen evidence which suggests the SFA was duped (to borrow a term) by a member club in 2011 regarding their Uefa eligibility application.
No information was available to the Association at the time which could have substantiated this, but evidence has come to light since through legal and liquidation processes, and more will be presented at court in due course. The SFA’s failure to critically assess what happened in 2011 feels like a cover up. When you start a cover up, you better be in total control, or you end up getting sacked.
The Resolution 12 guys have done a magnificent job (as did one significant other person in bringing information to the attention of the police and other authorities). In the early days they worked blind, but they have become the most effective pressure group in Scottish football.
At the start of this process no one expected anything better from the SFA, it was always a process which was going to end up with Uefa, or an actual court of law. Despite the wishes of those at Hampden, the ball is still in play.
Leave your suggestions on better communications below, I’ve heard little else over the last 24 hours and agree entirely.
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SEAN
You have great taste in music too,bud!
Timaloy29
Differences of opinion are to be expected and welcomed.
My opinion is : I have no interest with ” regime change” . I just want our current custodians to do the right thing. Which is to bring this whole farce right into the open. Tell the truth, no more, no less.
It is the club’s responsibility not individual shareholders. We have ” excellent ” legal teams. Use them.
That is not to say we don’t owe the Res 12’s a debt of gratitude.
As a sidenote: I have seen many pressure groups excell as a pressure group, but once they obtained some power or joined the establishment that they were pressurising, they changed. For the worse.
All the above is only my opinion.
HH.
Hamiltontim
On your last question, surely we must follow Fergus’ lead?
UEFA would simply bat it back to the SFA.
The SFA are going to say SFA on this, that’s clear.
Our focus should be on this court route and how it is funded etc, when/ if everyone gets some focus rather than anger.
Auldheid is on SFM this morning saying too much focus on Celtic and UEFA, when we should be focused on the SFA.
Incidentally Celtic could do a lot worse than appoint Auldheid to the board. He would be a great addition and would re-assure the vast majority of the support.
Happy birthday Sean!!
A very pleasant lighter moment on the Blog!
Don’t spoil him too much Leftie!
winning captains on 11th March 2016 12:30 pm
WC — with respect to Barca’s comments on twitter last night, with all due respect to him there are some comments there that both I an Auldheid have issues with.
I believe Auldheid will be in touch with him to clarify – when I have time I will contact him too.
Heading oot but hopefully the leader from Paul sets the record straight.
By the way can I add a wee personal comment on this.
I see many a comment praising the Res 12 team etc — at times I am the voice of that team and the sounding board, and I don’t think Morrissey will mind me saying that he puts in a lot of legwork and support.
BUT
No one with any interest in this entire affair should underestimate the amount of digging and research put in by Auldheid and at different times the big Canman.
Both have their moments.
Pat, is one of the few people who can talk more than me and at times you have to ask him to talk about something else altogether or even just breathe!
There are e-mails and texts at every conceivable hour within the 24 hour period — at times several each hour with updates, documents, drafts, edits bits of information and so on
Paying a proper professional rate a consultant would charge tens of thousands of pounds for the effort.
And it is all done for nothing more than the benefit of Celtic Football Club, its fans and football supporters in general.
No matter what happens ultimately that is something that is really important to remember.
Those two deserve HUGE plaudits — you have no idea just how HUGE.
Talking of being sold out….tomorrow is exactly that….a Celtic sell out.
Now is this disinformation or could it be that the support/fans (or whatever pejorative term you are comfortable with) are actually focusing on the football for the next 24 hours anyway?
No doubt some tickets will be available from the buses, and even in the Thistle areas. But if you are stuck and happen to find yourself walking along the Forth And Clyde canal, stop and have a chat with the pike fishermen.
I am reliably informed by Grand67 that if you turn round you can see all the pitch apart from one corner flag…….BTW, can you eat pike?
Hail Hail
Matt
Would a massive Sack the Board banner be deemed offensive Tomorrow?
hmmmm
C’mon Ronny Deila and his bhoys, get that 5.
Peter. Yes. That was part of the aim of the act. To silence us.
Well said BRTH.
F*ck the SFA.
How were the SFA duped?
They knew of monies owed to HMRC via the wee tax case.
IMO the Celtic board have been complicit in this.
I have emailed Celtic on a number of occasions without reply, ever!
I don’t know how you Res12 guys have kept going but long may you do so; you deserve some reward.
Matt Stewart –
amongst all the madness that’s been going on over the last week or so your return to the blog has been a welcome distraction (hope that’s the right word).
And tomorrow’s Glasgow Derby can’t come quick enough for me.
NegAnon2,
We will Never be defeated, whilst Ireland has such sons.
C’mon the Celts.
Celtic FC board this is how’s it done
Timetable of events that led to Farry’s downfall . . . Jim Farry prior to his sacking by the SFA
February 26, 1996
Valid registration form submitted by Celtic to the SFA plus valid contractual agreement between Celtic and Jorge Cadete. No objection at any stage taken by the SFA to the content of that form and the agreement. Since player registered with the Portuguese Football Association international clearance required under FIFA Regulations.
March 7, 1996
International Transfer Certificate (ITC) received, by fax, from Portuguese FA. Confirmed to Celtic by fax from SFA on March 8. No indication that SFA has any concerns with ITC.
March 12, 1996
Original of ITC received by post from Portuguese FA in identical terms to fax received on March 7. FIFA issue a fax to the SFA advising that the ITC was issued by the Portuguese FA under the instructions of FIFA so that the player could be registered in Scotland.
The SFA fail to process the registration of the player.
Had the SFA been following their usual procedure the registration of the player would have been given effect to from February 26, 1996.
March 12-23, 1996
Mr Farry regards the ITC received on March 7 and 12 as being invalid and will not register the player until Celtic have resolved a compensation dispute with Sporting Lisbon and the conditions which the SFA consider are attached to the ITC are removed. Celtic receive no communication advising why the SFA regard the ITC as invalid.
March 23, 1996
Celtic have entered into agreement with Sporting Lisbon and Jorge Cadete has separately entered into another agreement with Sporting Lisbon. Celtic have to
conclude a new agreement with the player. A second set of player registration papers are submitted by Celtic to the SFA incorporating a full professional application form and the new player agreement.
March 27, 1996
The SFA fax Celtic refusing to register on the basis of the application forms submitted on March 23, 1996 alleging that there is a clause in the player
agreement to which they take exception. A clause in substantially identical terms was included in the player agreement submitted on February 26, 1996 and no objection was taken at any time by the SFA to that same clause.
March 29, 1996
Fax received by the SFA from FIFA advising that the ITC was valid from March 7 and that the issue of any contractual dispute regarding the player status with Sporting Lisbon was irrelevant. The SFA Executive Committee meets, “deems” international clearance to have been granted, and requires the player agreement submitted on March 23 to be amended by deleting the clause objected to on March 27 and a further two clauses not objected to on March 27. Celtic are given no opportunity to make representations to the SFA executive regarding the position at, or prior to, the meeting on March 29.
During a telephone conversation between an officer of Celtic and Mr Farry, Celtic advised that they would be required to submit a third application form and player agreement with clauses deleted. According to the evidence given on behalf of Celtic, an agreement was reached during the course of that telephone conversation between Mr Farry and the officer of Celtic that the registration of the player would be given effect to on March 22 on the basis of the third form which would be submitted either later on March 29 or 30.
Mr Farry denies any such agreement. Celtic require registration by no later than March 23 in order to ensure that Jorge Cadete is available for selection to play in the Scottish Cup Semi-Final tie with Rangers on April 7. No evidence that SFA executive advised of this circumstance at meeting on March 29.
March 30, 1996
Third form and agreement submitted to SFA. Mr Farry refuses to register with effect from March 22, insists on amendments to the third player agreement, which are effected that day, and proceeds to effect the registration on March 30. Celtic accept the position because the Scottish Football League registration deadline expires on March 31 and if Celtic do not accept registration on March 30, Cadete will not be available to play in any league matches in Scotland for the remainder of the 1995/96 season.
March 30 to end of 1995/1996 Season
Cadete plays in all remaining games apart from cup semi-final tie on April 7. Celtic lose 2-1. Cadete, although fit, cannot play because of the date of his SFA registration.
1996/97 Season
Cadete scores 33 goals in 43 games.
October 7, 1997
FIFA write to the SFA, following SFA inquiry, advising the SFA that any conditions that may be attached to an ITC are to be regarded as null and void and that an ITC is required to be accepted as a valid ITC from the date specified on the ITC. In the case of Jorge Cadete this was March 7, 1996.
Celtic’s Position
1. On the basis of the first valid application for registration, submitted on February 26, 1996, registration of Cadete should have been given effect from February 26, when international clearance by way of the ITC was received by the SFA on March 7.
2. On the basis of the second valid application form and player agreement submitted on March 23, 1996, Cadete should have been registered with effect from March 23, since the SFA were in receipt of a valid set of player registration documents and the ITC received on March 7.
3. On the basis of the agreement entered into by telephone on March 29, 1996, Jorge Cadete ought to have been registered with effect from March 22, 1996 on submission of the third application and player agreement on March 30.
4. The SFA have now accepted that as a consequence of failures on the part of James Farry Esq., the registration process was not carried out as it ought to have been and that the player ought to have been registered by no later than March 23, 1996, thereby enabling him to play in the Scottish Cup semi-final against Rangers.
Estadio Nacional.
Special.
I just wish I was around at that Time.
The Hoops. Those Special Hoops.
Stop your messing around Celtic PLC – dismantle this disgusting SFA…./////—UEFA in it too… Hugh Dallas, where did he end up?
And poor Mr Farry died and was canonised by by the huns who replaced him.
A thoroughly nice bloke.
Funny old world in cybertimdom innit
Chris Sutton on the telly calls it as he see’s it about the under performing Celts and Ronny Deila and immediately comes under attack,scurrilouslly called a soup taker jumps to mind
Now Chris Sutton calls it as he see’s it regarding hunnery and all the wee nodding dugs come out to play
Anyway for what it’s worth the same fella when playing for the last great Celtic team probably had more guts and commitment than the present squad put together
Any of the Bhoys who have contacted Taylor had a reply yet??
Iv’e not received any response as we speak…..
Would appreciate it if anyone in receipt of any info would share..
Maybe I should have asked how Hoopy Hounds doin …….
Or when the next big discount on 2 years ago Merchandise is due.
H.H. Res 12ers You Can look in the mirror and say I Tried.
Unlike Paul 67 for me the Board do not come out of the resolution 12 issue well.They are now saying it needs to go to UFEA now that is not strictly true in my opinion.The Board could ask the SFA there answer to resolution 12 when they get an answer they could report the answer back to Auldheid and co. If the SFA refuse to answer the Board on resolution 12 the Board could then go to UEFA however the board are saying we dont want to ask UEFA so you supporters should ask them where is the united front on resolution 12 ? there is no united front the board want to do a Pontius Pilot and wash there hands of the matter saying it is not us that are asking the questions its those pesky supporters of ours that is how it looks to me anyway. H.H.
Mickboy1888
FWIW I have never called out Chris Sutton, ever, and I think his piece today is superb.
First post in ages. Kudos to the Res 12 bhoys, as for our Board, are they on a suicide mission? As a shareholder and season ticket holder I’m astounded at what’s going on. Is there something in the background that we don’t know about? They better get their fingers out or there will be hell to pay for this.
Great article Paul, it certainly puts my mind at ease and can only hope that the SFA and Sevco get their comeuppance. Would like to see the slippery scum bag Ogilvie in the dock as well.
Hail! Hail!
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/easter-rising-documentary-to-be-screened-across-the-world-1.2161831
Very lucidly explained, Paul. But I’m just not seeing an obvious reason why the board would not go to UEFA. Can’t see UEFA dealing with fans/shareholders.
Steve Mc Laren sacked by Newcastle could Warburton do the job ? H.H.
Jobo…. at times I struggle to remember exactly what that scurrilous knave Estadio used to write. Occasionally I dip into the discarded broken wafers that litter my head, computer and post-it ‘two-third’ brain waves.
I think he may have had issues… :) After all he could join up those neuronic and possibly neurotic dots. I just duck as they go whizzing by.
However he was an essential ingredient in my outlook on life and often dug a wormhole into another reality….neither one that was more right nor more wrong….just a different one.
Today I was with a friend of mine who, having watched Celtic for even longer than I have, commented on the games in the fifties and possibly early sixties when following an appeal/fund-raising request, a few people with a blanket used to walk around the red blaze track; and from Celtic End, Stand, Jungle and even the Rangers end, money would be thrown at the sheet as a fans contribution. (I don’t remember that, but I do remember similar with buckets).
We should resurrect that.
Imagine if we had an image on the blanket of The Board, Neil Doncaster, Stewart Regan…..or HUGH DALLAS!!!
We could solve third world poverty in a season! :)
Hail Hail
Matt (Currently searching for Estadio)
mickbhoy1888 on 11th March 2016 1:09 pm
Funny old world in cybertimdom innit
Chris Sutton on the telly calls it as he see’s it about the under performing Celts and Ronny Deila and immediately comes under attack,scurrilouslly called a soup taker jumps to mind
Now Chris Sutton calls it as he see’s it regarding hunnery and all the wee nodding dugs come out to play
Anyway for what it’s worth the same fella when playing for the last great Celtic team probably had more guts and commitment than the present squad put together
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Can you name the wee nodding dugs please?
I couldn’t give a monkeys what Sutton says or writes.
I don’t listen to him on the telly and I don’t buy any newspapers.
If you look at Suttons history, he needs to run with the hare and the hounds.
And by the sounds of it, he does.
Mickbhoy1888
Agreed I always think Chris Sutton calls it as he sees it.
HH.
Ps : absolutely hate the term “Soup taker”. No comparison to the original definition
Regarding resolution 12….for talking sake lets say it was introduced about the times of the Kelly’s Whites Grants et al so called good Celtic supporters with the best interests of the club at heart. How do you think they would have progressed it.
It also might be a good idea to have the opinion of one Fergus McCann on the matterhe saved the club before with his business brain, his advice may progress the matter further than any ordinary shareholder is able
WINNING CAPTAINS – Any chance of c & P Barcabhoys twitters? Don’t do it myself
I remember Paul’s article years ago when the news about all the cheating first broke, Paul intimated that the board had their calculators out totting up all the lost Champions League money we were entitled to, bit of a change of tack from them, considering how we know they feel about money.
Bad enough that the board have done nothing but now they are deliberately sabotaging others efforts. I will not be back in Parkhead till DD is gone with his sidekicks. 50 years supporting for nothing! We should have had our trophys that were stolen.. no Sevco in league, and the heads of SFA , Reagan, Doncaster, Ogilvie on a plate.. all they had to do was bring these up at a meeting FFS! A voitew of no confidence and sort ot football. I hate them all . And anyone that saw Bankier at the last couple of AGMs know what sort of people we are dealing with.
You say you want a Resolution
Well you know
No-one want the cheats to win
You tell me that there’s one solution
That Sevco
Should be punished for their sins
But they will only turn to mass destruction,
The only way they know to get things done
Don`t you know theres gonna be, a fight
All right, All right
You say you have a real solution
Well you know,
The Board will disregard your plan,
You talk about crowd contribution
Way to go,
But you`re screwed by the timespan,
They`ll say that the money`s for people with minds that hate,
But they`re narrow minded so just do not rise to the bait,
But you know it`s gonna be
Washed white,washed white, washed white
We need to change the constituton,
well you know,
They`ll say “Just put it to bed”
In Scotland it`s an institution
Well you know,
Tainted blue with white and red
But if you go criticising Chairman King,
Nobody at Hampden will listen to anything,
So you know it`s gonna be, goodnight
Goodnight…..goodnight….
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(Lyrics by Lenin and McCarthy)
Great work from resolution 12 guys
Got together found evidence paid lawyers etc
But Peter Lawell has one goal. His own bank account. He has not hidden the fact he wants to get into uefa
No way in the world will he push this to uefa as he won’t want to rock the boat
There is no Celtic board , it only exists in name. Peter Lawell controls all
Not going to happen as long as he is our CEO. Get used to it
Matt –
personally I much prefer your 2 or 3 paragraphs rather than the former Chapters of warblings. Keep them coming ;-)
Still chuckling at the thought of “The Seven Wans” at Brigton Cross. Lived my first 3 months of life at 295 Main Street, Bridgton (overlooking Shawfield Bridge [not that I remember it]) before my family emigrated to East Kilbride.
Paul 67
Nothing has changed with your leader , the board still want the shareholders to take this to UEFA and this was the cause of the uproar when it broke on social media.
Why are the PLC board of Celtic not doing this, it is their responsibilty and it is now faced with a time limit of the 31/3/16? Can you answer that please?
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 11TH MARCH 2016 1:19 PM
Very lucidly explained, Paul. But I’m just not seeing an obvious reason why the board would not go to UEFA.
####
That, surely, is what is screaming out from the article.
Celtic are refusing to write to UEFA.
Why?
Philboy
I am sure if you scroll back a few months and take note of the contributors who were quick to castigate Christ Sutton on his forthright accurate opinions on the Celtic team and management team at the time and then fast forward a few months and identify those on various social media sites who are now heartily nodding their heads in agreement with his more recent opinion on hunnery you will have found your wee nodding dugs
Res 12 is probably the greatest bit of work by football fans purely motivated by integrity that we’ll see in our time.
But this is football 21st Century style – a business first and foremost, above all else.
I do fear though that its honest ambition will be scuppered by cynicism. I believe there will be some horse-trading between the Celtic board and the SFA, that the resolution will be used for leverage, no more – whatever handshakes can be agreed upon behind the scenes between PL and Dumb and Dumber.
UEFa will groan at the hassle, ask the SFA and Celtic if they can’t just sort something between them.
Some fudge will be agreed for public consumption, neither absolving nor condemning the SFA, pointing the finger at the Hun, recording Celtic’s displeasure, BUT, butbutbutbut… End of. No official sanction or punishment. No recompense, nor repentance.
As far as Celtic PLC are concerned, they’ll want this swept under the carpet as fast as possible. Ge ton with the busines sof filling the coffers if not the stands.
Everyone in Scottish football is measurably being dazzled this year as the return of the Hun Monkey Soccer Franchise has Sky jingling their bag of rubles.
‘Lookit the shiny, shiny…’
And they all glance the other way as the Zombies lurch into view.
Such is harsh reality. i think the only way to really wield the power of Res 12 would have been to hire The Bunnet. This current board have no stomach for the fight. Fergus would’ve left them in tatters.