As six Celtic fans face the prospect of months in a Dutch jail if police evidence is preferred, take a look at this CCTV video from the Euro Pub in Dam Square:
This is no more than the strong bullying the vulnerable. It is shocking and affected more than just Celtic fans, other innocent bystanders were picked on.
What can you do about it? We’re looking for around 40 more bucketeers to collect before the Aberdeen game on Saturday for the legal defence of the six Celtic fans. You’ll need to get to the stadium a bit early, bucket shaking will be required. That’s all.
If you can help, email dambhoys8@yahoo.co.uk for more information. You’ll enjoy it.
Thank you.
Remember the Q&A in the Columba Club, Blantyre, tomorrow. I’ll be there with Phil Mac Giolla Bhain and Paul McConville. Tickets available at the door, we get underway at 8pm. See you there.
If you have not been to Celtic Park since the last home game, be prepared for pandemonium around London Road on Saturday. No one will be able to walk or drive from London Road up Kerrydale Street to the Park. Check out the open routes here and get there early.
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People interested in the good and the bad re the Dutch legal System will find lots of useful information in this —————
The World Justice Project ———Rule of Law Index for 2012/2013
Celtic_First
I have never worried about the behaviour of Celts abroad and I do not see any issues in Barcelona.
However, reading the reports from both Manchester clubs visiting Amsterdam the police should have known that the Old Sailor could have been attacked as it has been attacked before. Poor from the Dutch police.
The red light area appears to be where the Ajax hit squads circulate on numerous European match days. This was not made aware to travelling supporters. There were no details of areas to avoid and there was no suggested fan zone of bars where fans would be made welcome to enjoy the city and meet with club representatives and liase with the police in an orderly manner with issues.
Celtic’s own website gives a very general view of the city and has probably been sourced from the host club in accordance with some sort of UEFA guidline and doesn;t give more detailed potential flashpoint sites. This maybe something that CQN mag could take on or the supporters groups such as the association/affiliation/GB/etc.
It is quite clear that Celtic supporters have been proven guilty on the charges as a warning to other travelling fans. The authorities in Holland have been sick of the issue of crowd voilence in Amsterdam and have made examples of these Bhoys. The Ajax fans are the problem. They are the one constant through all the incidents of the last few years. There have been numerous arrests at almost every match involving Ajax in Europe where the visitors brought a sizable away support. There appears to be grandstanding in a sort of football hooligan/casual/ultra sort of way by both the police and the Ajax hooligans. Their mind set and that of most football mobs is that you won;t take over our stadium/city/banners/bars/etc. This was made evident with the fact they were not happy at their bar being occupied (The Old Salior). They were not happy at their square being occupied (Dam Square). They were also trying to pick off banners to grandstand in their ground which is a known ultra/casual/hooligan/etc tactic.
I had raised on here a few months ago about Celtic Supporters reading John O’Kanes book about the Celtic Soccer Crew. I was ridiculed for glorifying violence and being some sort of Danny Dyer type figure. I explained at the time and I will do it again that this is not the case. The world is changing as it always does and the football hooligan is on the rise again both here and abroad. Reading about it helps educate yourself of the mind set of these guys. You are travelling to cities and towns that may have many more than we have here. Their mentality is much different to the average football supporter. They get the buzz from fighting. They don’t stand down. They certainly do NOT like being outnumbered or being shown up in their own city. The Ajax fans and their police have both displayed typical hooligan behaviours from what I have read in various football hooligan/casual books.
This is the world we live in whether we like it or not and unfortunately not all other football supporters have the same mentality as Celtic fans.
I hope justice is seen to be done in Amsterdam and the Bhoys can prove their innocence and get home.
LB
Brth saw an interesting post the other night about the police doing this to get compensation! Hard to believe but if there was a freedom of information option in holland as to how many police have claimed after these matches and how much they have received on average miggt make interesting reading!
eddieinkirkmichael
21:46 on 21 November, 2013
Have you mailed Dambhoys8@yahoo.co.uk with your details etc mate?
JohhnyClash – he really is an accidental comedian isnt he? Brilliant.
Kitalba – I’m going to the Perth game (well one day of it) – I’m over visiting my brother from 14Dec to 6Jan – the cricket was a coincidence but I think it would be fab to go. Is Raymie in Perth?
Antipodean Red – if you are out there dont give up on me – trying to get your e-mail address!!!
KIT
go back to Malpensa airport after the Cup final with Feyenoord when then entire airport went on strike and the only thing open was the bars.
The Celtic fans were in very low mood while the Feyenoord fans were jubilant. With no planes going anywhere and no airport staff working, the place got jammed to the rafters with opposing fans sitting side by side in very different states of mind.
There were fears of a riot and I know for a fact that the British Consulate was called and asked for help in clearing the situation– although they were as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.
However, despite the tension and the uncomfortable circumstances there was not so much as an argument or a broken window– and eventually the airport got moving.
Whilst I can’t say there has never been any trouble concerning Celtic fans anywhere– you would think that the Noodbevel law would come under some scrutiny given its past?
But no.
In recent years Celtic have traveled all over and in the main the destination has been delighted at the prospect of the Green pound coming to their locality.
So what went so wrong in Amsterdam?
Why is there always trouble in Amsterdam?
What is the common factor in teams and fans of all sorts seeing trouble— In Amsterdam?
The answer is obvious and will continue to be obvious until the authorities recognise they have the law and the system wrong— wrong— wrong!
twists n turns
10:52 on 22 November, 2013
Absolutely..
Ernie Lynch,
No matter what the outcome of the appeal, no Celtic Supporter should EVER go near that hell-hole again, for any reason……there are prostitutes and drug addicts in EVERY city, but other Police forces don’t behave like those thuggish ‘defenders of the peace’ …… It is obvious they have ‘lost the plot’, and have forgotten the meaning of ‘reasonable force’.
As I stated yesterday, one of the plain clothed hooligan Police Officers was having a good laugh, while his colleague was repeatedly kneeing the fan who was not resisting…..cowards to the core……get those buckets ‘filled for justice’…and ACCOUNTABILITY
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma :
I was there mate. There was no animosity between the opposing fans. There was no police antagonisms either. The biggest problem was when planes landed there were no airport staff and it was a supporters free-for-all as to which flights they boarded. Supporters followed scarfs and never looked at the planes livery. My own brother made his way back to Glasgow via Holland and whilst we waited for him in Glasgow airport, we waited with many Dutch supporters (waiting for flights to Holland) who had boarded our plane ( a Dan Air Trident III, booked by my old man, on behalf of the KSC (Bath St.), through your old man at the Partick X)
twists n turns
10:52 on 22 November, 2013
If we made a European final in Amsterdam there would 100, 000 plus fans would travel without a ticket. They’d be entitled to do so and expect to be treated humanely. Rightly so. No fans would have gone to Amsterdam with any other intention than to have a party. That the Dutch police decided to carry out their business in a thuggish manner reflects badly only on them, and does not warrant any questioning of why many chose to go without a ticket.
Whilst I could understand any of the convicted fans choosing not to return for trial, given the shambolic course of events in Holland yesterday, I truly hope they do return in order that witness statements and video footage can be witnessed and they can gain compensation and clear their names.
Given what we have seen and heard from reliable witnesses so far, and that includes the ridiculous admission of police violence against our support, it is in the interests of ALL fans of all clubs that the truth outs in this case.
In everything I have seen and heard so far, my only condemnation of any of the convicted is for the bhoy who threw the bottle. Whilst I can empathise with his panic at what was happening, he shouldn’t have launched the bottle.
Maybe we should call in the mayor of Seville as a character witness…….
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They picked on the wrong Victim this Time!!!
I went to the Roses Concert in the Summer, The One?
I am querying why I got so excited at that gig, it wasn’t normal. I wish I was standing next to the bawbags that think it is funny to toss empty alcohol bottles for no reason other than to look like a Dick or impress knobs.
The Celtic Support are the Finest despite having young Impressionable and Wonderfully passionate dudes that would never even dream of inciting violence.
LiviBhoy – God bless wee Oscar
11:23
Well let me ask you this.
Are the restrictions on drinking alcohol in public in Barcelona still in place?
I don’t know the answer but intend to find out and pass on whatever information I can glean. Each city has its own rules. People need to know if there are things that can affect them. That’s all I’m saying.
NegAnon2:
Yeah, Ramie is in Perth, he would welcome the company if you fancy it.
Not been on for a bit,so skimmed over the last few days.
The Dutch have done the fans over,no mistake.
But I wonder if the following-if an accurate representation of the judge’s comment-offers a get out clause for the appeal?
“The judge said he would not impose harsher sentences just because the victims were policemen – conceding that the fans may not have known this.”
If the fans did not know that it was policeman who were on the rampage,then they were justified in defending themselves against violence from an unknown party,no?
kit
that night lives long in the memory in my house as it was my mum that took the tannoy in the airport and just started calling the planes out with a view to just emptying the airport and getting bodies on planes back to Glasgow.
As long as you could produce a ticket you got on any plane– it didn’t matter because if it was the right plane or not!
Simple crowd management and as you say not a hint of trouble despite the circumstances.
Anyway, that was then and this is now.
Amsterdam authorities either have a problem with Ajax that they cannot handle or they have no common sense.
Either way– avoid like the plague!
HH
BOBBY MURDOCH’S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS backs Resolution 12
11:47 on
22 November, 2013
Perfect legal logic my friend.
Livibhoy @ 11 23
I went to the Ajax game . I was in Amsterdam for 4 days. . I saw no violence..
On the morning of the game , I took a train to Haarlem ..There was a group of real thing Ajax hoolies on the street outside the station.{ real thing–expensive designer clothes, muscle bound and with that steroid,/cocaine glare ] That group included a wee group of Italians [ probably Juve hoolies based in Amsterdam } who were bemoaning the likelihood of their day being a bore in consequence of Celtic having no Crew.——–.
Next fitba game for me is Catania v Milan . There will be violence before and after the game . It will have been arranged ..Arranged violence between men who get pleasure from violence.
FFers dip their hooves into the waters of political correctness:
“Given the recently movement in the US to change the Washington Redskin’s name due to it being offensive, should Dundee United’s nickname be changed to something more politically correct?”
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“calling someone an arab is an insult”
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“”Arab” isn’t a pejorative term in this context like “redskins” is. And the nickname doesn’t come from a stereotype, it’s just a fact that the homeland of Arabs is quite sandy – and the pitch at Tannadice was covered in sand during a harsh winter in the 60s.
Situation would only be comparable if the nickname was a pejorative word for Arabs (e.g. “ragheads”) or it came from a negative stereotype (e.g. thieving).”
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Having lived in Holland for a Few Years..
l was Not suprised by Ajax Fans..ME Yes..
To All the EPL Lovers..If Celtic FC ever play in a English league..expect the Same every Fortnight..
Summa
Probably already posted but get it up on Facebook too to get the word out.
http://etims.net/?p=4007
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Oscar Knox, MacKenzie Furniss and anyone else who fights Neuroblastoma:
Regards Amsterdam, before the game on here, I warned of trouble only to be ridiculed, albeit mildly. There is a very base sectarian denominator that may have played a (big) part in what eventuated, to substantiate such a statement
Fenian Bastards.
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Brogan Rogan..
Jeezo..
You expect Fans of 2013 To behave the same as Fans 40 Years ago..
Serious..????
Summa
Horrible news from Holland yesterday.
I won’t be arriving to the stadium tomorrow in time to volunteer to hold a bucket but will be happy to make a contribution to the appeal fund.
For anyone from the Livingston and West Lothian area:
Very sad news that Alex “The Scalp” Crossely passed away recently.
Alex Crossley’s funeral will take place on Monday at St Peter’s Church, Carmondean at 9am then to Livingston Crematorium at 10am
ar dheis de go raibh a anam dilis
Summa:
Evolution, I’d expect fans to behave better.
Cheer Kitalba – I toyed with the idea of travelling around Oz but didnt want to spend my 3 weeks just travelling. Its my first trip out there – really looking forward to it. I dare say I will return!
It would be great to catch up with Raymie – do you have his e-mail addy?
BROGAN ROGAN TREVINO & HOGAN. 1150
Blimey,like sumdy throwing you a rope,and you find out it’s an anchor.
So the simple answer is that if in Amsterdam and confronted by a bunch of thugs using extreme force,don’t hit back.
They may be cops. Or they may not be.
Just take yer kicking. And be grateful not to be arrested and ordered to pay compensation for bruising a policeman’s knuckles and knocking the shine off his boots with your face.
Smashin’……
Summa of Sammi….
11:54 on 22 November, 2013
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Having lived in Holland for a Few Years..
l was Not suprised by Ajax Fans..ME Yes..
To All the EPL Lovers..If Celtic FC ever play in a English league..expect the Same every Fortnight..
Summa
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The Easy out is get to the Money Laden Premiership.
Why not go the Hard Yards and Build fitba players that urnae just in it for the Money.
I dinnae know anything about the Aberdeen Manager. What I do know is that Jackie is a fighter with a creative side, him and Sid were fantastic together, neither were World beaters but they combined very well. Fitba is very simple when you break it all down.
TBB,
I’m claiming copyright of “the Fridge” as per my post on the 20th.
Petty, I know! : > )
thomthethim for oscar ok
14:35 on 20 November, 2013
Welcome Holmbert.
I hope our mutual ambitions are fulfilled and you have a successful time at Celtic.
I also hope that he doesn’t get saddled with the nickname, Shuggie.
Sorry, Shug, I know you lurk.
If he has to have a nickname, May I suggest adopting the vacant title, The Iceman, or, The Fridge ; hopefully as a homage to a cold, calculating composure in front of goal.
thomthethim for oscar ok
14:35 on 20 November, 2013
Welcome Holmbert.
I hope our mutual ambitions are fulfilled and you have a successful time at Celtic.
I also hope that he doesn’t get saddled with the nickname, Shuggie.
Sorry, Shug, I know you lurk.
If he has to have a nickname, May I suggest adopting the vacant title, The Iceman, or, The Fridge ; hopefully as a homage to a cold, calculating composure in front of goal.
thomthethim for oscar ok
14:35 on 20 November, 2013
Welcome Holmbert.
I hope our mutual ambitions are fulfilled and you have a successful time at Celtic.
I also hope that he doesn’t get saddled with the nickname, Shuggie.
Sorry, Shug, I know you lurk.
If he has to have a nickname, May I suggest adopting the vacant title, The Iceman, or, The Fridge ; hopefully as a homage to a cold, calculating composure in front of goal.
thomthethim for oscar ok
14:35 on 20 November, 2013
Welcome Holmbert.
I hope our mutual ambitions are fulfilled and you have a successful time at Celtic.
I also hope that he doesn’t get saddled with the nickname, Shuggie.
Sorry, Shug, I know you lurk.
If he has to have a nickname, May I suggest adopting the vacant title, The Iceman, or, The Fridge ; hopefully as a homage to a cold, calculating composure in front of goal.
Did I mention a post I made a couple of days ago?
THOMTHETHIM
The way you kept repeating yourself there reminded me of another poster.
At first I thought you may be one and the same person,but your point was reasonably sensible.
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kitalba
12:01 on
22 November, 2013
Summa:
Evolution, I’d expect fans to behave better.
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Kit..
60’s..Celtic fans high on Life..Ajax fans probably high on Spliff..
90’s..Celtic fans high on Buckie..Ajax fans (40%) on Acid..
2013..Celtic fans high on Cider..Ajax (Ultras)..Crystal Meth/Charlie..
Do the Math..
Summa
thom
I’ll let you have The Fridge, but I’m claiming Bertie Cauld :¬)
The Symbolism of the Govan Cranes being brought down wullnae mean quite as much as the Berlin Wall, thankfully.
NegAnon:
kitalba@gmail.com and I’ll send you his number and address. Maybe if your of a mind to, you might like to drop in on Kano, I’m pretty sure you’d make his day with an appearance. (bring a bottle of vodka with you, if you accept).
001:
I’ve been to a few games against Dutch teams, I’ve never witnessed Celtic Supporters being aggressive in those games. Not maths mate, life and experience.
Summa of Sammi….
11:54 on 22 November, 2013
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‘To All the EPL Lovers..If Celtic FC ever play in a English league..expect the Same every Fortnight..’
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Experience suggests otherwise.
ERNIE LYNCH
Experience may tell us to expect lies to be told about our behaviour.
Even on here.
Example,the Brentford game this summer,and the Norwich one the summer before.
Also our match against Lincoln the year before that.
Too much of a pattern for my liking.
scottishleaf
I knew Alex well. There are a few Bhoys having a night our for him on Saturday to sink a few pints in his memory.
LB
ernie lynch,
If we were going doon there competitively, I don’t think we will be received very well, especially as we are likely to Dominate the League within 2 or 3 seasons, IMO.
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Ernie..
I was talking about trouble..
Big difference playing a ‘Love in’ against EPL teams and playing as Rivals..
Summa