Once we have a player worth that sort of money they start getting wind of potential salaries down south.
We cannot compete. It’s nobodies fault and affects teams across Europe.
Hamiltontim on
LP
Ask Neil Lennon why he sent McGregor on loan to Notts County :-)
Didn’t know Dens was cut, we got 3 no bother. We got two out of three for Tynecastle.
Gerryfaethebrig on
Lennons Passion
Kenny Dalgleish kicked with the other foot as well…. Open to all !
In fact after Seville….. Big Rab ??????
garygillespieshamstring on
One of those “trending articles” that appear from contentclick had the title “hazards of microwave cooking”.
Does Kirk broadfoot lurk or post here by any chance?
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on
GFTB,
I expect Celtic supporters to be a bit more discerning than simply turnstyle fodder, got to agree with you about the parents, setting ambition and expectation low reduces the pain of failure I suppose.
McGregor had a not so good ringtone, if you heard his phone going you would know what I mean.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
the_huddle on
Hamiltontim on 13th December 2015 9:40 pm
LP
Ask Neil Lennon why he sent McGregor on loan to Notts County :-)
——————–
Lenny’s tell all book will be quite the read
lennon's passion on
GERRYFAETHEBRIG on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 9:40 PM
Trust me mate I couldn’t care what religion anyone is. Just like to see Celtic supporters living my dream.
Hamiltontim on
I definitely blame the parents :-)
Cowiebhoy on
GFtB
Absolutely delighted with the result, but I actually thought it was a poor midfield display from Celtic today, very poor in 1st half, and did get better once we were 3 in front, need to consider st Johnstone tactics though, in curtailing midfield.
One of my frustrations is our very poor ball retention, poor passing a 5 yard ball, very evident again today
I do agree with Guernica, Boyata is a vastly improved player from the one we first signed, games making the difference with him
Hail Hail
Gerryfaethebrig on
Bournesouprecipe
Adele Adele
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on
Guernica,
That was always the case though, no ?
Why can’t we compete ?
Pay extra, loose a couple of experiments, keep the good players a bit longer, Henke developed a real passion for the club, who is to say that can’t happen again ?
I’ll tell you who, the board, cause they won’t let it happen again.
garygillespieshamstring on
Lennybhoy
A Jedward number or “there’s no one quite like grandma” I am guessing.:)
Canamalar it looks like OCD obsession on
Oops missed a smily :)
Gerryfaethebrig on
Cowiebhoy
I think Siomonuvic is the calming influence, Efe and whoever else played at the back gets hung out to dry, when Izzy & Lustig think they are wingers the central defence will always be exposed, Craig Gordon was back to normal today, maybe having a settled two in front of him then in turns gives him more confidence, as I said I am not MacGregors biggest fan but he try’s his heart out and on a park there is nothing worse than somebody who doesn’t want the ball, he always looks for it, but maybe I settl for mediocrity but top of the league and Ronny having better results after Euro games than any other recent managers ….. always take the positives
Cowiebhoy on
Lennybhoy, if McGregor wasn’t in the team, he may have been seen at that wee event TBJ mentioned at Parkhead cross yesterday :-)
Canamalar and Guernica, I read a recent comment from Boyata,, that he is delighted at Celtic and to be getting regular games, with a chance to win something in the game, not sure he would be looking to move anytime soon
What was “it” again? I am never sure when the indeterminate pronoun is used, which specific point of mine is “it”.
It would not be moot if you didn’t expect to win now would it ?
But I do, so it is. Otherwise we are in sex-change territory for my mother’s sister.
people on here yourself included actually use it as the rule that we should expect to be beaten by much weaker teams regularly because it’s football, well no, we should not expect to be beaten by weaker teams ever when we do it exceptional. We rightly expect to beat weaker teams, every team in the SPFL is weaker and it’s nothing to do with entitlement, it’s simple logic.
It sounds like simplistic non-logic to me. Because you can predict that a top league has never been won in Scotland by a team winning all its games since Rangers won all 18 games in1899, (the longest unbeatenrecord is 25 games in a row won by MON’s team) then a defeat to a lesser team, in the course of the campaign, is not a shock. This is just basic probability- you might unusually get a run of heads in coin tossing but over a long run of coin tosses, it always reverts to 50:50. However you cannot predict the individual event- even after 10 heads in a row, the odds against the next one coming down heads or tails, remains at 50:50. Therefore you can expect to be defeated at some point but you cannot predict when that point will be. This is not rocket science- it’s the gambler’s fallacy- the belief in the “sure thing”.
You believe what you want about the bullshit austerity drivel, how much less wages have the board taken during their drive to force down the wage structure of players ? It the player we go to see, very simple logic again dictates the shittier the money the shittier the player and the less people want to pay to see, that’s the economics and why we are loosing supporters no because people are skint
You mean we are not in an impoverished league requiring a degree of austerity ? (as you term it) in a vain hope that I will be portrayed as the more right wing poster. When did Socialism ever advocate paying well-paid footballers even more? Now, I am on record as saying that every Board member at every football club, including Celtic, is vastly overpaid for the work and hours that they do. I believe that good as PL may be, we could find someone near as good at less than half his price. Board members and CEO’s are overpaid in every industry and in every arena- I wish I could change that. But even if overnight all Celtic Board members agreed to decimate their pay and bonuses- good thing that this would be- it would change our stars not one bit. We may be able to afford one more middling transfer punt but whether they were good, bad or indifferent, our squad would look much like it does just now. Where do you see an example of a club similar to us operating the “speculate to accumulate” model successfully? A club like Southampton, which was near bankrupt just 6 and a half year’s ago can now buy Celtic players for over £10m a pop but we can’t- why is that?- My view is that they get free money and, in order to stay on the big money roundabout -they have to stay in the Premier League and, if they fall out, get back in quickly or they too risk bankruptcy or suffering austerity. Again, I ask, which club is doing better than us with a similar financial position? Anderlecht? Legia? Rapid Vienna? Steaua? Who?
Naming a few players we made money on is a sop to cover the money wasted on serious mistakes in their failed strategy
It is not a sop- it is a balance. We did well to source players that came good because we have certainly shown how easy it is to source players who have cost us rather than made us money. And every club in the world is the same- Look at any squad or club and tell me the scouting team that only buys gems or the manager who never makes a mistake in the transfer market- I can’t find one. Yes, there have been too many recent mistakes in forward buys BUT, credit where it is due, we have also bought and developed Ki, Wanyama, Forster and VVD. Let’s be balanced.
I don’t care about how low your standards have sunk I gauge the team in Europe and always have and using the recent history I think we are poor, I don’t compare us to the Lisbon lions or the 90’s teams, I compare to the last 10 years that as far back as anyone needs
My standards have sunk no lower than yours. If I had my way, I’d have us as better than Barca- I just cannot see how you get it done. Ambition without a realistic plan is just hot air and bombast. I am deeply unimpressed by the “I am more ambitious than you” line. Especially when the ambition is the ambition of the whore- to have some rich sugar daddy buy you nice bling for us to stare at. I am advocating “pay your own way” football- I think that is a socialist approach- there are 100 other things I would rather spend government money on than football players. I’d rather DD used his wealth to fund hospitals rather than Celtic.
As for limiting comparisons to the last 10 years, you and I both know that the cries of deliberate downsizing and the predictions of crowds under 20k and League of Ireland status competition have been appearing on CQN since MON left. Through the successes of the WGS and NFL eras, the same jibes were leveled- one day they will get it right.
“No truth in the story that wee James’ ringtone is “flash”? ”
I heard it was My Ding a Ling
Hamiltontim on
Cowiebhoy
Aye that was his story! :-)
Not really read back but I also think Rogic did ok today.
Saint Stivs on
Longest unbeaten run (all): Celtic currently hold the UK record for an unbeaten run in professional football : 62 games (49 won, 13 drawn), from 13 Nov 1915 until 21 April 1917- a total of 17 months and four days in all (they lost at home to Kilmarnock on the last day of the season).
Longest unbeaten run (home): Celtic also hold the SPL record for an unbeaten run of home matches (77), spanning from 2001 to 2004 (this run was ended by a 3-2 defeat to Aberdeen on 21 April 2004), and the record for the longest run of consecutive wins in a single season (25 matches).
HT, agree with Rogic, I wish Ronny would give Armstrong a chance in the middle, I would have swapped his position with McGregor today ? Forrest done much better out left when Armstrong went off, we were 3 up by then though
Hail Hail
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on
HAMILTONTIM on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 10:00 PM
Cowiebhoy
Aye that was his story! :-)
Not really read back but I also think Rogic did ok today.
You should send that suggestion to the celtic park Dj as something to play after he scores. Considerably more imaginative than some of his efforts.
corkcelt on
I agree Canamalar. We are now a selling Club sad but true. Unfortunately under the current economic Football conditions in Scotland it’s hard to see a change in that.
The alternative would be to splash the cash and try to ensure Champions League Group qualification but the current custodians rightly or wrongly are not prepared to take that gamble.
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on
Lennon’s Passion, until Kieran Tierney’s introduction to the first team squad this season, I think it was only Charlie and possibly , Stokesy,who were Celtic fans as boys.
It shows you how much the players we sign have changed in the last thirty five years. We normally had four possibly five players in the team who grew up as Celtic fans.
Bourne or Roy Croppie posted a picture a few weeks back of our 1982/83 first team squad. At least ten of them were Celtic fans as boys plus 11 or 12 of the above squad, came through our ranks.
Cowiebhoy on
Apologies GFtB
I agree with comments on Simonuvic, he also looks a very decent player for a 21 year old with limited experience
Both Boyata and Simonuvic, have a huge area to cover, as our full backs how wandering, leaving huge gaps
Hail Hail
Hamiltontim on
TTR
Our record domestically after European games has been nothing short of remarkable but I’d happily have given up some of those points for CL or EL qualification.
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Canamalar – it’s the nature of the beast.
Once we have a player worth that sort of money they start getting wind of potential salaries down south.
We cannot compete. It’s nobodies fault and affects teams across Europe.
LP
Ask Neil Lennon why he sent McGregor on loan to Notts County :-)
Didn’t know Dens was cut, we got 3 no bother. We got two out of three for Tynecastle.
Lennons Passion
Kenny Dalgleish kicked with the other foot as well…. Open to all !
In fact after Seville….. Big Rab ??????
One of those “trending articles” that appear from contentclick had the title “hazards of microwave cooking”.
Does Kirk broadfoot lurk or post here by any chance?
GFTB,
I expect Celtic supporters to be a bit more discerning than simply turnstyle fodder, got to agree with you about the parents, setting ambition and expectation low reduces the pain of failure I suppose.
HT
Did Lenny phone him and it went on to voicemail ?
Hello………………………?
Adele
Canalamar
Brilliant, I laughed at that
If my parents were here they would be agreeing with you 100%
Hail Hail
Dundee allocation hasn’t been cut. General sale to STH at the moment.
Gerry
Nope :-)
I thought McGregor was ok today. Boyata was our best player in my opinion.
LENNON’S PASSION on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 9:20 PM
McGregor had a not so good ringtone, if you heard his phone going you would know what I mean.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Hamiltontim on 13th December 2015 9:40 pm
LP
Ask Neil Lennon why he sent McGregor on loan to Notts County :-)
——————–
Lenny’s tell all book will be quite the read
GERRYFAETHEBRIG on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 9:40 PM
Trust me mate I couldn’t care what religion anyone is. Just like to see Celtic supporters living my dream.
I definitely blame the parents :-)
GFtB
Absolutely delighted with the result, but I actually thought it was a poor midfield display from Celtic today, very poor in 1st half, and did get better once we were 3 in front, need to consider st Johnstone tactics though, in curtailing midfield.
One of my frustrations is our very poor ball retention, poor passing a 5 yard ball, very evident again today
I do agree with Guernica, Boyata is a vastly improved player from the one we first signed, games making the difference with him
Hail Hail
Bournesouprecipe
Adele Adele
Guernica,
That was always the case though, no ?
Why can’t we compete ?
Pay extra, loose a couple of experiments, keep the good players a bit longer, Henke developed a real passion for the club, who is to say that can’t happen again ?
I’ll tell you who, the board, cause they won’t let it happen again.
Lennybhoy
A Jedward number or “there’s no one quite like grandma” I am guessing.:)
Oops missed a smily :)
Cowiebhoy
I think Siomonuvic is the calming influence, Efe and whoever else played at the back gets hung out to dry, when Izzy & Lustig think they are wingers the central defence will always be exposed, Craig Gordon was back to normal today, maybe having a settled two in front of him then in turns gives him more confidence, as I said I am not MacGregors biggest fan but he try’s his heart out and on a park there is nothing worse than somebody who doesn’t want the ball, he always looks for it, but maybe I settl for mediocrity but top of the league and Ronny having better results after Euro games than any other recent managers ….. always take the positives
Lennybhoy, if McGregor wasn’t in the team, he may have been seen at that wee event TBJ mentioned at Parkhead cross yesterday :-)
Canamalar and Guernica, I read a recent comment from Boyata,, that he is delighted at Celtic and to be getting regular games, with a chance to win something in the game, not sure he would be looking to move anytime soon
Hail Hail
Canamalar @ 8.50
Here’s where you said it,
What was “it” again? I am never sure when the indeterminate pronoun is used, which specific point of mine is “it”.
It would not be moot if you didn’t expect to win now would it ?
But I do, so it is. Otherwise we are in sex-change territory for my mother’s sister.
people on here yourself included actually use it as the rule that we should expect to be beaten by much weaker teams regularly because it’s football, well no, we should not expect to be beaten by weaker teams ever when we do it exceptional. We rightly expect to beat weaker teams, every team in the SPFL is weaker and it’s nothing to do with entitlement, it’s simple logic.
It sounds like simplistic non-logic to me. Because you can predict that a top league has never been won in Scotland by a team winning all its games since Rangers won all 18 games in1899, (the longest unbeatenrecord is 25 games in a row won by MON’s team) then a defeat to a lesser team, in the course of the campaign, is not a shock. This is just basic probability- you might unusually get a run of heads in coin tossing but over a long run of coin tosses, it always reverts to 50:50. However you cannot predict the individual event- even after 10 heads in a row, the odds against the next one coming down heads or tails, remains at 50:50. Therefore you can expect to be defeated at some point but you cannot predict when that point will be. This is not rocket science- it’s the gambler’s fallacy- the belief in the “sure thing”.
You believe what you want about the bullshit austerity drivel, how much less wages have the board taken during their drive to force down the wage structure of players ? It the player we go to see, very simple logic again dictates the shittier the money the shittier the player and the less people want to pay to see, that’s the economics and why we are loosing supporters no because people are skint
You mean we are not in an impoverished league requiring a degree of austerity ? (as you term it) in a vain hope that I will be portrayed as the more right wing poster. When did Socialism ever advocate paying well-paid footballers even more? Now, I am on record as saying that every Board member at every football club, including Celtic, is vastly overpaid for the work and hours that they do. I believe that good as PL may be, we could find someone near as good at less than half his price. Board members and CEO’s are overpaid in every industry and in every arena- I wish I could change that. But even if overnight all Celtic Board members agreed to decimate their pay and bonuses- good thing that this would be- it would change our stars not one bit. We may be able to afford one more middling transfer punt but whether they were good, bad or indifferent, our squad would look much like it does just now. Where do you see an example of a club similar to us operating the “speculate to accumulate” model successfully? A club like Southampton, which was near bankrupt just 6 and a half year’s ago can now buy Celtic players for over £10m a pop but we can’t- why is that?- My view is that they get free money and, in order to stay on the big money roundabout -they have to stay in the Premier League and, if they fall out, get back in quickly or they too risk bankruptcy or suffering austerity. Again, I ask, which club is doing better than us with a similar financial position? Anderlecht? Legia? Rapid Vienna? Steaua? Who?
Naming a few players we made money on is a sop to cover the money wasted on serious mistakes in their failed strategy
It is not a sop- it is a balance. We did well to source players that came good because we have certainly shown how easy it is to source players who have cost us rather than made us money. And every club in the world is the same- Look at any squad or club and tell me the scouting team that only buys gems or the manager who never makes a mistake in the transfer market- I can’t find one. Yes, there have been too many recent mistakes in forward buys BUT, credit where it is due, we have also bought and developed Ki, Wanyama, Forster and VVD. Let’s be balanced.
I don’t care about how low your standards have sunk I gauge the team in Europe and always have and using the recent history I think we are poor, I don’t compare us to the Lisbon lions or the 90’s teams, I compare to the last 10 years that as far back as anyone needs
My standards have sunk no lower than yours. If I had my way, I’d have us as better than Barca- I just cannot see how you get it done. Ambition without a realistic plan is just hot air and bombast. I am deeply unimpressed by the “I am more ambitious than you” line. Especially when the ambition is the ambition of the whore- to have some rich sugar daddy buy you nice bling for us to stare at. I am advocating “pay your own way” football- I think that is a socialist approach- there are 100 other things I would rather spend government money on than football players. I’d rather DD used his wealth to fund hospitals rather than Celtic.
As for limiting comparisons to the last 10 years, you and I both know that the cries of deliberate downsizing and the predictions of crowds under 20k and League of Ireland status competition have been appearing on CQN since MON left. Through the successes of the WGS and NFL eras, the same jibes were leveled- one day they will get it right.
GARYGILLESPIESHAMSTRING on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 9:48 PM
Not quite…Penny Arcade…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
No truth in the story that wee James’ ringtone is “flash”?
Gerryfae
If Adele doesn’t win after that, there should be an inquiry?
COWIEBHOY on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 9:52 PM
Missed the even TBJ was at, not read back…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Oh he wasn’t at it, just bumped into it by accident
GGH
“No truth in the story that wee James’ ringtone is “flash”? ”
I heard it was My Ding a Ling
Cowiebhoy
Aye that was his story! :-)
Not really read back but I also think Rogic did ok today.
Longest unbeaten run (all): Celtic currently hold the UK record for an unbeaten run in professional football : 62 games (49 won, 13 drawn), from 13 Nov 1915 until 21 April 1917- a total of 17 months and four days in all (they lost at home to Kilmarnock on the last day of the season).
Longest unbeaten run (home): Celtic also hold the SPL record for an unbeaten run of home matches (77), spanning from 2001 to 2004 (this run was ended by a 3-2 defeat to Aberdeen on 21 April 2004), and the record for the longest run of consecutive wins in a single season (25 matches).
Until we meet again…
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
Now SFTB
That was funny :-))))))))))))
HT, agree with Rogic, I wish Ronny would give Armstrong a chance in the middle, I would have swapped his position with McGregor today ? Forrest done much better out left when Armstrong went off, we were 3 up by then though
Hail Hail
HAMILTONTIM on 13TH DECEMBER 2015 10:00 PM
Cowiebhoy
Aye that was his story! :-)
Not really read back but I also think Rogic did ok today.
=================================================================
O.K.?????????
And Celtic did O.K. in `67.
:-)
Tommy……………….motm.
Sftb
You should send that suggestion to the celtic park Dj as something to play after he scores. Considerably more imaginative than some of his efforts.
I agree Canamalar. We are now a selling Club sad but true. Unfortunately under the current economic Football conditions in Scotland it’s hard to see a change in that.
The alternative would be to splash the cash and try to ensure Champions League Group qualification but the current custodians rightly or wrongly are not prepared to take that gamble.
Lennon’s Passion, until Kieran Tierney’s introduction to the first team squad this season, I think it was only Charlie and possibly , Stokesy,who were Celtic fans as boys.
It shows you how much the players we sign have changed in the last thirty five years. We normally had four possibly five players in the team who grew up as Celtic fans.
Bourne or Roy Croppie posted a picture a few weeks back of our 1982/83 first team squad. At least ten of them were Celtic fans as boys plus 11 or 12 of the above squad, came through our ranks.
Apologies GFtB
I agree with comments on Simonuvic, he also looks a very decent player for a 21 year old with limited experience
Both Boyata and Simonuvic, have a huge area to cover, as our full backs how wandering, leaving huge gaps
Hail Hail
TTR
Our record domestically after European games has been nothing short of remarkable but I’d happily have given up some of those points for CL or EL qualification.