Stomach knots, dig deep Dave


Do you remember the knot in your stomach when we were five points behind in the league race, when every game was a ‘must win’ event? Five points is a substantial gap, eight is huge. I seriously doubt Derek McInnes reckons Aberdeen have a remote chance of winning the league, but should the gap increase to eight points tomorrow, he could be excused if he gets carried away for a moment.

Celtic will win the league but only because they will improve and win important games, like tomorrow’s against Hearts. The knot’s back in my stomach; we need the win. Although Hearts are not the league challengers this season, the scenario mirrors their visit to Celtic Park a decade ago, when they were the last non-Glasgow club to open the league season with a flurry of wins.

Resist, resist, we must resist

300 years and the tune never changes. Newco chairman, Dave King, proclaimed, “This application will be strongly resisted”, as he confirmed Charles Green has been to court to enforce the contract which, apparently, obliges Newco to pay his legal fees for actions in connection with the club, a liability which was recorded in Newco’s 2012 IPO prospectus.

King seemed to confirm Green had a good case by telling journalists Green’s legal difficulties concern his time “his time as an officer of the Club”, closing speculation on one possible angle of defence.

There’s nothing unusual in this clause in Green’s contract. Company directors can be held criminally liable for acts of corporate wrong-doing. They can be fined or jailed for actions carried out by their staff, even without a direct instruction. If you are a company director, it is your responsibility to ensure Health and Safety regulations are enforced and appropriate, and that actions by the company are not criminal.

In the event a criminal charge is levelled against a director (or former director) of a company for acts carried out by, or on behalf of, the company, directors will seek the assistance of the company in preparing and funding their defence.

This is how business is conducted and the responsibility of the non-executive directors to ensure that the actions of directors are consistent with the interests of shareholders and other stakeholders (in this instance fans).

If Green holds a contract, Kings will know his protests are empty bluster. I see estimates of legal fees in the region of £500k. There will be no change from £500k on this one, not even close. That figure might cover the photocopying costs. Dig deep, Dave.

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  1. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo



    The Swiss public take naivety to an unparalleled level, with folks shaking their wee cheese heads and muttering but but but Sepp’s one of us surely only those nasty auslanders would cheat and steal our Toblerones:))



    Time to Pay The Piper Sepp..

  2. GreeninbingleyinOslo on




    Aye, it’s worn me down as well. The same agenda-wallahs thumping the same tubs, louder and louder, drowning out everybody else.



    But luckily as you say there are still enough notable exceptions to make a wee look-in still worthwhile.

  3. Awe naw no annoni oon annaw noo. 4.23


    Magic,SVDP on steroids brigade.


    I’ve never met you but clearly you know my mind.


    An Tearmann.


    Yes I am going on 10/10. As my good friend H.T. isn’t going I’m bringing my bhoy as my minder.


    I look forward to seeing you and hopefully catch up on the place of our upbringing which of course is now Silverburn. Ha!

  4. I’m glad Pope Francis has got himself a Fiat.



    I’m still driving the family Fiat 500 *but wear a pink shirt to work most days,* In an ideal world I’d trade it for my old 1972 Scimitar SE5a, I still miss it, and it was noisy, cold, noisy, leaked water, noisy, did 18mpg (if you were gentle) and would go very very fast in all sorts of gears.



    Noisy though.

  5. GreeninbingleyinOslo on

    Awe naw no annoni oon annaw noo. 4.23



    SVDP on steroids brigade



    Laugh of the day.




  6. Paul67



    Like you I have no real idea what is going through the mind of Derek McInnes.



    My bet is that he thinks they have a great chance of winning the SPFL title this season.



    I certainly take their challenge very seriously.



    Our standards have dropped and they have improved.



    Time will tell , but this Celtic side and it’s management team are not good enough to allow for complacency.




  7. Channelislandcelt.


    5.40 Haydock.


    Newmarket Warrior.


    Was 12/1 last night but just checked oddschecker and its pretty solid 3/1 now slightly shorter in a place.

  8. Paul67


    interesting that Challs is lookin to cover his court costs,it makes me wonder how many others are looking for cover,either of old club or of we the public? our hero,withey, etc.It could be a bonanza for the law profession in Scotland,criminal fraternity and keep them busy for a good while.



    Anthony 3:45


    interesting edit,





    a lot in it



    Hail Hail

  9. What is the Stars on




    The Bad Ass Café in Temple Bar shows Celtic Games,


    I think a supporters club meets there

  10. TinyTim on 25th September 2015 4:42 pm



    I’m not being complacent but our dropped standards are still well above theirs, as evidenced by us being in two competitions they have already exited.



    I’d suggest our strength and depth will be far ahead of theirs over the season, and that’s what will prove key.

  11. What is the Stars on




    Galboystown Lady 4.55 Downpatrick


    Trojan Star 5.15 Worcester each way


    Newmarket Warrior 5.40 Haydock (put this up last night)


    Mountain Kingdom 8.05 Dundalk (each way)



    Good luck,

  12. West End of East End on 25th September 2015 3:31 pm


    “Not before time, Swiss authorities open criminal proceedings against Sepp Blatter…”



    Are the Huns paying his legal bills an aw?

  13. Tim Malone Will Tell on

    I reckon that Aberdeen reckon they are in with a shout – should be an interesting season and will hopefully see league attendances rise at CP.



    It is interesting to note that in order to provide a serious challenge, another club doesn’t need to be better than us – just significantly better than the other 10 in the league. In that scenario, we only need to have one internal trauma and the league could indeed be lost.



    On the latest Sevco stuff and the David Low article on the SFM – can someone clarify for me which HMRC appeal might have been rejected? Is this the final appeal – or just the preamble to actually getting another appeal hearing conducted in England?

  14. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on 25th September 2015 4:26 pm







    This could be good.



    I hope the mudslingling starts soon



    And too think our custodians steered our club in the directon of FFP at the behest of these criminals.



    Shockingly naieve behaviour from our Banker Board and worse from the support.



    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/stomach-knots-dig-deep-dave/comment-page-3/#comments




    Anyone who has read “Foul” by Andrew Jennings would have expected that some day chickens would come home to roost and although it has taken years – cluck cluck .



    Your “SVDP on steroids” is only topped for laughability by suggesting our custodians steered the club to FFP at the behest of these criminals. (FIFA)



    Even by your standards that’s stretching things.



    FFP came in after the EU Parliament voted for the recommendations in a White Paper on Sport in Europe with regard to the Future of Professional Football in Europe based on a study by Ivo Belet. (It was there that the importance of football to the social fabric of European countries was recognised).



    That put political pressure on football to put its house in order and FFP was an attempt to do so, Football doesn’t like order, too much money sloshing about which order would curtail.



    One of the few cash businesses left and the last thing the criminals want is order.




  15. Weeminger



    Thanks, I would tend to agree la Liga would continue, but I think the Spanish law would have to be changed to accommodate this.


    With the 3rd team in Catalonia ( Girona )drawing crowds less than Dundee , Barcelona and indeed Espanyol would really need Spain,s, co-operation.


    This would not be just a footballing decision but a political decision.


    Would an angry Spain play ball ?







    “On the latest Sevco stuff and the David Low article on the SFM – can someone clarify for me which HMRC appeal might have been rejected? Is this the final appeal – or just the preamble to actually getting another appeal hearing conducted in England?”




    It’s the recent appeal to the Inner House of the Court of Session. If HMRC loses it can appeal to the Supreme Court with leave of the Court of Session or Special Leave from the Supreme Court should the CoS refuse leave.




  17. Greenpinata on 25th September 2015 5:10 pm



    I would think so. Do Barca and Real still deal with their own tv rights? That being the case I would think there would be heavy pressure from Real, whose deal would be decimated without El Classico.



    Alternatively it might kickstart pan-European leagues.

  18. TIMALOY29 on 25TH SEPTEMBER 2015 1:34 PM


    Interesting to see a possible Celtic article in the Herald







    They described Biton as being better than Wanyama. Thoughts?





    Coincidentally, I was thinking about players who had left in recent years and decided that Bitton is a better player now for us than either Ki or Wanyama. One thing I’ve noticed about Bitton now is that he uses his physique better to muscle people off the ball. I think his confidence has surged and he now believes he can control games, which he does.



    I do think that Rogic has tremendous skill and ability and hopefully he will realise his full potential. While I’m talking players, it is possible that although we’ve lost two excellent individual players in Denayer and Virgil, it’s possible we might end up with a better organised defence, eventually.

  19. Tim Malone Will Tell on 25th September 2015 5:05 pm – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/stomach-knots-dig-deep-dave/comment-page-4/#comment-2685822



    The rumour from some Bear site, which got it right before, is that the latest appeal by HMRC has been lost. It was heard a couple of months back.



    Now that could, depending on the grounds for rejection if rumour is true, be the end of the matter ie SDM found a legally watertight way of using ebts in a number of cases to pay players. Alternatively HMRC will take it to the last court of appeal which I think is the Supreme Court, but there is one more level to go if HMRC lose but keep on fighting.



    What is already true is that some payments to 5 players should not have been made by ebts and tax is due on them. My understanding is that these were terminal payments and in terms of sporting advantage, if they were not part of the original contract could not have been used to entice players to sign.



    That leaves the ebts to Moore, Flo and De Boer. 1999 and 2000/03



    In Moore’s case there was no side letter but according to the minutes of the Rangers Employee Remuneration Board Meeting of 3 Sept 1999 chaired by David Murray where Campbell Ogilvie was Secretary


    ” It was the Boards view that the strategy (of using ebts) would motivate and incentivise Craig Moore in recognition of his services to Rangers Football Club PLC.”



    So a player who may have gone elsewhere was incentivised not to by an unlawful payment.



    In the cases of Flo and De Boer there were side letter from the outset of the contracts in 2000 with a schedule of payments via the same unlawful ebts as Moore. One would argue this was a huge incentive to sign and so sporting advantage accrued from an unlawful method not open to other clubs.



    LNS argued that it was ok to arrange tax affairs within the law and as it currently stands the BTC ebts are within the law.



    That is where LNS goes wonky because he treated the ebts to Moore, Flo and De Boer as lawful and he was wrong to do so. He was able to because documents that would have shown the lawyers preparing the Commission that the early ebts were unlawful were not provided to them by RFC administrators.



    This has been drawn to attention of the SP(F) L lawyers, the SPFL and I understand the lawyers passed the evidence to the SFA who are saying nuthin.



    For now.



    Cluck cluck cluck cluck. :)

  20. i'vehadtochangemyname on

    ziggydoc1 – yeah- biton does it so well that you don’t even notice . love the positivity man !





  21. THE EXILED TIM on 25th September 2015 5:19 pm









    The talk in the bars, mainly Real supporters, they would kick the Catalans oot, but I doubt it would happen.







    – See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/stomach-knots-dig-deep-dave/comment-page-4/#comment-2685829




    I’m not so sure . A bit of hell mend them maybe?



    What is interesting in terms of the Scottish independence debate is that had there been a UK league then us Scots, used to seeing Celtic playing the Arsenals or Newcastles , would have to reconcile ourselves to playing the Aberdeens or Motherwells (with no disrespect intended).



    Why Labour are not pushing for the creation of a UK league to warp and weft a new tighter UK social fabric is beyond me.

  22. Auldheid – I think it suits HMRCs purposes to have the EBTs ruled on by the Supreme Court. If this appeal has failed I expect them to be granted leave to appeal to the higher authority.

  23. Auldheid


    I agree with Weeminger’s point earlier, the TV deal, without El Classico, a bit like the OF, the TV deal is a waste of space.


    Aye, the labour party should be, but I doubt scottish footy is high on their thinking.


    Looks like you are bringing the scottish weather with you, been mid 30s for the past few weeks, thunderstorms and rain next week, still warm mind you :-)



  24. weet weet weet(GBWO) on

    Actual Court Transcripts



    These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now published by court reporters who had the torment of staying calm while these exchanges were actually taking place.




    ATTORNEY: Are you sexually active?


    WITNESS: No, I just lie there.





    ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?


    WITNESS: Yes..


    ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?


    WITNESS: I forget.


    ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?





    ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo?


    WITNESS: We both do.


    ATTORNEY: Voodoo?


    WITNESS: We do.


    ATTORNEY: You do?


    WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.





    ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn’t it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn’t know about it until the next morning?


    WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?





    ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?


    WITNESS: He’s twenty, much like your IQ.





    ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?


    WITNESS: Are you shitting me?





    ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?


    WITNESS: Yes.


    ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?


    WITNESS: getting laid





    ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?


    WITNESS: Yes.


    ATTORNEY: How many were boys?


    WITNESS: None.


    ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?


    WITNESS: Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?





    ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?


    WITNESS: By death.


    ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?


    WITNESS: Take a guess.





    ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?


    WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.


    ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?


    WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I’m going with male.




    ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?


    WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.





    ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?


    WITNESS: All of them… The live ones put up too much of a fight.





    ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?


    WITNESS: Oral.





    ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?


    WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.


    ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?


    WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished..





    ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?


    WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?





    And the best for last:



    ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?


    WITNESS: No.


    ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?


    WITNESS: No.


    ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?


    WITNESS: No.


    ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?


    WITNESS: No.


    ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?


    WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar


    ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?


    WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and working as a joiner.

  25. Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo on




    Questioning my sanity again. Tut tut :-)



    I am with Starry on this one. A bunch of crooks who will be replaced by another bunch of crooks. Whether thats FIFA, UEFA or the SFA and that is why it needs to be left to you et al to defend the club. Those in glass houses etc.



    The football authorities throw scraps to the politicians and always will do. Haven’t you noticed.



    FFP is a dead duck and the politicians outwith football …you know the Bankers henchmen…will ensure that it remains that way.



    We will have to agree to disagree as this is not the forum to have such a debate.



    I hope your keeping well.




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