Running late today…….
The Celtic Supporters Association are in their seventh decade so have seen it all before, albeit the matters the felt necessary to comment on today are uncommon in modern times. After their AGM yesterday they issued the following statement:
“We do not condone in any circumstances the letting off of smoke devices of any kind, the dangers to the health of our supporters should at all times be paramount in everybody’s thoughts. We have quite a number of members who are of the senior variety, and the dangers to anyone with respiratory problems are greatly increased by coming into contact with smoke.
We also do not condone the use of pyrotechnics of any kind; again the dangers to our own supporter’s health should be paramount at all times.
Finally, the deliberate damaging of property within any stadium is not acceptable, and leaves a stain on the great reputation of the Celtic Support. The seats that were broken at Fir Park was blatant vandalism; nothing else.”
I share Association president Joe O’Rourke’s hope that this is a watershed moment for the support, but most of us know at least one person who thrives on chaos and notoriety. We need as many strong voices to step forward as possible, someone with experience of putting genies back in bottles would be handy too.
Many thanks to those who participated in our Cinc Senti’s auction, which closed yesterday, raising £102 for charity. More on where the money will be going later in the week……..
“Yes those were the days, when you didn’t reach for your laptop, phone or tablet or whatever to see what you had missed in terms of things Celtic. Those days when, unless you were from east Kilbride, you had no idea what the eather was like there— and to be honest, you had absolutely no interest in finding out!….. Back to the days when you had never heard of Kojo and his way of speaking or writing, when no one had ever Brattbakkedinanager, would recognise a cash strapped scrofulous hillbilly outside Beverley Hills, and the only Battered Bunnet you knew of belonged to your Grandad.”
From ” To Everyone on Celtic Quick News– This is about what you have all done” — Page 6 of the 2014 CQN Annual
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Were all those from the Green Brigade responsible for the reported vandalism wearing pretty decent Campbell Ogilvie masks? Is that how they got away with breaking the law all this time.
How many thousands of times have the police photographed all the members of the Green Brigade. I thought the Sweeney boys of FOCUS knew every single one of them by name, and address, and bank, and employer and vote.
Don’t they do CCTV in Motherwell?
Remember when we were 3 – 0 down to St. Mirren at Ibrox back in ’62?
I have been told by countless thousands that the huns are dead. Well it looks to me like they are winning from the grave.
Did the huns ever pay us for the damage to our toilets. Celtic have a lot to say about our own supporters, whilst a few Celtic supporters still wonder about how Celtic, and Police Scotland got on with the arrest count for the vandalism to Parkhead. Were all our CCTV cameras on the sick that day along with all the finest technology deployed by Scotland’s finest.
Whoever broke those seats in Motherwell, if they did it deliberately, then they should be punished appropriately.
Appropriately: now is that not an innovative and profound concept that could be adopted into Scotland….
Oh and a wee word of advice to any up and coming crims who might be reading…
if you never, ever, ever, never, want to be got for your crimes, be they big, like defrauding a nation, or little, like coughing at a game, then don’t forget to pack an extra Campbell Ogilvie mask… you know it makes sense.
Proudbhoy
Tickets for St Mirren are fairly hard to come by but you’d certainly get tickets for Perth on Boxing Day no bother.
If you need a hand getting them give me a shout and I’ll try to help out.
“Only hypocrites would support an organisation run by people for whom they have contempt.”
Sorry mate but if I don’t pay my taxes they’ll put me in jail. Can’t find a decent Campbell Ogilvie mask anywhere in Brisbane.
Kit
I used to have a drink with him in “The Rock ”
Nice guy.:-)
Good point.btw.
Kit:
Spot on…
Rangers: Sandy Easdale increases stake in Ibrox club
By Alasdair Lamont Senior football reporter, BBC Scotland
Sandy Easdale has acquired voting rights over a further 3.1% of Rangers shares, strengthening the current board’s hold on power at Ibrox.
Easdale, whose brother James is on the Rangers board, now has voting rights over 26.6% of shares ahead of next Thursday’s annual meeting.
Laxey Partners (11.64%), Mike Ashley (4.61%) and Richard Hughes (3.38%) are also likely to be loyal to the current regime.
That edges them closer to a majority.
Opponents of the board had hoped a large-scale fan protest at the weekend and meetings with institutional investors would sway things against the incumbents.
The battle between chairman David Somers and his fellow board members and those looking to oust them has become increasingly bitter in recent weeks.
Peter, a few drunks, who may, or may not have been dues paid members of the Green Brigade broke a few seats at Motherwell’s ground. Of course it does not reflect well on our club or our reputation, but let’s get a wee bit of perspective here mate.
It was at worst a few drunks, a few broken seats, and a wee chuckle for the media whores.
But mate, what about Campbell and all his buddies, they defrauded a whole nation, they have made our national game a laughing stock around the world.
And what did you and Celtic do… well if I’m not mistaken, you allowed him re-election unopposed.
So he can continue to mug Scotland and all those who pay to support the national game. He sure as hell doesn’t.
There is a new parlour game Peter, it’s called ménage à cinq and latter we’ll bugger Celtic.
Kit and W.W.C.
Good point,I conceded,however paying tax is a civic duty,a civic responsibility.
In no way does it imply support for the Govt. of the day.
Just in to say…
Whenever I have been to CP over the recent period, the Green Brigade section has always brought a form of inspiration to the stadium, not seen since the days of the Jungle. imo
I canny go as often as I would like to go cause ah canny afford it these days. If that makes me less of a Celtic fan, then that’s a culture to be avoided and is ‘not’ the Cellic that I grew up to bond with as a birth right. I may be in the minority, certainly on here as I have spoken to Hugh Keevins on the DR- ‘Hotline’ opining that – I thought and, still do that – the GB are being set-up and that they are the ’12th’ man at CP and, for a long time now…they’ve been better than the ’11’ men on the pitch and, that the Celtic support in the main today are brain-washed sheep who are falling for all this – ‘Green Brigade smear campaign hook – line – sinker’ imo
Thanks to Hugh Keevins for printing my point in his column today.
P.S. would Campbell Ogilvie look out of place on the Celtic ‘bored’ ?
Gypsies – Tramps – Thieves – CSC
Away to feck off oot
Hail Hail – Take Care Tims – Off oot
So the sanitisation of Scottish football has finally began. Well thank God for that.
It’ll be heartening to know that as we sit in our cold plastic seat, tartan blanket over our legs, passing the boiled sweets, some quaint nursery rhymes about Pope of Rome, Famine and Paedophilia are are being sung at another stadium. We can also look forward to the bi-annual Armed forces parade where soldiers are encouraged to join in and revel in the party atmosphere.
The GB and/or its hangers on did wrong at Fir Park. Thanks to our board dancing to the LL tune, its a hanging offence.
Meantime over in Germany (just watched the Bundesliga review) the authorities gave their national game back to the fans. Standing areas with cheap tickets, cheap food and cheap beer. Every ground packed. Guess whats behind every home goal? Club ultras, packed like sardines, lateral movement and yes, some political banners (check out Bayern, Hamburg and Bremen). Oh and btw the odd pyrotechnic thrown in too.
But hey, who wants to be like them, the best football spectacle and by extension the best league in the world?
We’re moving forward to the dark ages. Our board has thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
Top of the morning to you all from a still-dark Fife.
The Scottish MSM are unanimous in their verdict that Celtic FC have acted properly in dealing with events at Fir Park on Friday. That’s that then.
With only three days to go (including today) the petition PE1501 calling for Public Inquiries into suspicious deaths (30,000+Eng 50+Sco) is just 50 short of 1,000! http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/thevictimslastright …
Please consider signing the petition which won’t change the past and cases such as Annie Börjesson (below) but will prevent other parents going through what Annie’s parents are still enduring.
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Many thanks.
H.H.
KevJungle 07:43 on 10 December, 2013
the GB are being set-up and that they are the ’12th’ man at CP and, for a long time now
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just your opinion as you say
hamiltontim is praying for oscar
07:16 on 10 December, 2013
Proudbhoy
Tickets for St Mirren are fairly hard to come by but you’d certainly get tickets for Perth on Boxing Day no bother.
If you need a hand getting them give me a shout and I’ll try to help out.
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Thanks for that and i’ll let you know asap.
im still thinking Bout if i can make the hearts game at home… Dont get into derry until very late thursdy night so would mean gettin up friday morning and flying to glasgow .. Bit much after nearly 30hrs travelling
Was same when i was home last christmas .. None of the games suited. But after this christmas wont get home til late 2015
Last game was the cup game against our ex rivals.. So called shame game.
Hoopy Birthday to my Bhoy who is 15 today. He never lurks here and despite nagging to buy and me doing so every Celtic Top that came out when he was around 5 years-old he ain’t interested in football…gasp I hear you say, Lennybhoy’s Bhoy not in to football! Cannot force him, all in good time.
Hoopy Birthday Conall, me and Mum love you lots…:)
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
marrakesh express
07:46 on 10 December, 2013
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Wonder how many fines the german teams have had last few years …
Viva st pauli
Fact.
“When a company is liquidated its business activities cease to exist. The business of Rangers FC Plc was football. When Rangers FC Plc was wound up, so were the football activities of Rangers FC Plc”
So they died.
Only, they were resurrected. By the MSM.
The MSM in Scotland have incredible powers. Never mind facts and evidence. All you need is a gullible and complicit audience and the rest is easy. Never mind law books, video evidence, written statements. Those tried and tested methods of producing accurate statements and acting on evidence, exist only outside of Scotland.
Jury trials are different though. Good odds you’ll get your complicit majority on a jury in Scotland. Ask Neil Lennon and/or the jurors on the John Wilson trial.
So the MSM produced pictures of broken seats, and we saw tv evidence of flares being thrown. It must have been the green brigade. Wait though, the GB statement said it wasn’t them? I don’t recall the GB hiding behind the Bobby Sands banner. They said it was them and stated why they did it. Rightly or wrongly, they admitted it. Personally, I don’t think they should have displayed it at a European tie, but as I say, that’s a personal opinion. What is certain though is that it was THEIR banner, and they admitted it.
So why would they lie about this latest incident? They released a statement stating that it was not members of the GB, but accepted it happened in an area occupied by their members, and accepted that they would need to be more vigilant. Seems fair enough to me.
The MSM, and only the MSM have had the GB portrayed as the culprits here. That the follow followers should choose to believe them is no surprise. That the Celtic board and many Celtic supporters choose to believe them, IS a surprise, and a great disappointment.
When Fergus dug out the evidence and Jim Farry’s grave at the same time, he used hard facts to get the result. Peter Lawell would do well to do the same. Find the culprits, and deal with them.
That flares were thrown and seats were broken is not in doubt. That the GB were responsible, is definitely in doubt, but then I did say earlier, the rules within Scotland are not the same ones that the rest of a civilised society play by.
This is BRTH’s fine post at 00.11 this morning;
“Now that I have had a sleep let me make an observation or…. or two.
We are told that the Motherwell stand is now to be regarded as a crime scene, presumably with a view to identifying persons who can ultimately be charged with a crime. Which crime that might be is as yet unknown– but a crime that has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law if the charges are to be proven.
So– where is the evidence to come from?
As I said first of all there is CCTV and TV footage to see whether or not perpetrators can be identified.
Second, there is the official records of who should have been sitting in those seats and so had taken on the legal responsibility for those seats for the duration of the game.
Now just because you bought a specific seat does not mean that you are automatically guilty of anything, but then again if you did buy the ticket for a seat and you gave the ticket away to a pal who did damage to the seat then you still bear responsibility for that seat— not criminal responsibility admittedly but civil responsibility.
However, there have been several accounts which suggest that all stewarding failed at the game and that there was a general free for all in terms of where you entered and sat.
If so, then Motherwell FC may well rue the day that any enquiry was announced as they have been caught napping here.
However, of greatest concern to me– way beyond the issue of deliberately vandalised seats— was the report that when some Celtic fans challenged the perpetrators and asked them to desist—- those fans were met with threats of violence. Further I have read that some people sort of formed a cordon at the back of the seat breakers to stop the Police and Stewards– and possibly other fans— from interfering.
Now if that is correct– if we have organised deliberate vandalism accompanied by organised protection for that vandalism together with threatening behaviour towards fellow Celtic supporters trying to stop that vandalism, then I think we had all better wake up and see beyond the small minded argument about “was this the GB or was it not the GB?”.
Because that kind of shit just isn’t on and has nothing to do with being a Celtic fan.
We know that the media coverage in this country is poor– I remind you that Craig Whyte is a Motherwell Born Billionaire etc etc — and that we now know for a fact that certain factions deliberately seek to highlight and emphasise negative Celtic stories.
So do not get drawn in or let yourself be misled.
There have been no bans.
There have been precautionary suspensions pending investigation.
Those investigations will have to be based on some form of evidential platform — possibly starting with tickets bought— and will move on from there.
I have no doubt innocent people will be caught up in this and every effort should be used to defend their reputation and good name.
However, we cannot allow a minority who behave in any unified way whatsoever to become demonstrative of a whole Celtic fanbase.
The Vandals– no matter who or how many they are do not represent that fan base as a whole and the majority– if not the entirety— would want to see them gone.
Very shortly after the game I posted on twitter that I had heard there was trouble and that it was NOT the Green Brigade. That came from eyewitnesses at the game– some of whom were so disgusted that they left at half time. Celtic fans leaving at half time– think about it!
As for the Green Brigade, with all due respect to them whoever they are, I have said for some time that in my opinion they need to be far more clever politically than they have been.
Banners and whatever can be clever but really clever politics means making sure that you keep a large volume of support at your back and you back your targets into a corner.
The Green Brigade have failed in both fields of recent.
Many feel that they represent themselves as Uber fans– Ultras who want no part of talking to either the club or any other fan group. In other words, if you are not “in” the Green Brigade then you are automatically excluded. You are an outsider and that it is Green Brigade first– Celtic second.
I have seen them described as a gang and a faction. I am told that they are “wee boys” and separately that they count among their ranks many bright young men from good families and so on.
No matter who they are and what they stand for they have left themselves as hostages to fortune by not clearly identifying who is and who is not Green Brigade.
Yes I know about Focus, the act and all that– and all the good reasons for non identification— but that all comes with the fact that there is a rubbish act in place and in fighting it you have to be clever.
I have no doubt that many of those who were involved on Friday are not Green Brigade. maybe none of them were.
However there has been constant seat damage within section 111 of Celtic park and so when you get seat damage at an away ground coupled with any evidence which suggests that the seats concerned were allocated to GB season ticket holders ( if that in fact is the case ) then you can see why the finger of suspicion would point in that direction. That is when previous misdemeanors from section 111 which were all just a laugh come back to haunt you and bite you in the arse.
Now, of course that suggestion can be disproved and shown to be wrong– but it is at least in part up to the Green Brigade and its members to actually get off their jacksies and demonstrate to the club that in actual fact something and someone else is to blame here. They also have to help in ridding the club of the vandals– for their own sakes.
Members of the Green Brigade do a lot of good– they raise money for charity like anyone else, and of course they have campaigned against the club board at times– again fair enough. But that does not make them Celtic and one fan I know of was annoyed when Neil Lennon took the league trophy over to section 111 and laid it down on the ground and saluted them especially.
That made this other fan feel– well that the GB were seen as better than the rest of us– louder and greater supporters than the rest of us– and that isn’t so. He felt that act gave them a legitimacy which has encouraged them to go further and further away from the rest of us.
There are many different Celtic Supporters Associations and clubs– they often intermix and join together on various projects– yet the GB — whoever they are– do not– or at least it appears they do not.
And that is where their problems lie. Many will support them to an extent, but by being seen as the uber ultras they are always in danger of attracting an element who may or may not come from within their ranks and who will go too far in some way or another– and they find themselves powerless to adequately disassociate themselves from them without penalty or consequence.
Celtic will pursue lines of enquiry and look for evidence as to who the perpetrators were– and they may be able to nail some guys but will miss others.
What shouldn’t happen is for completely innocent fans to get caught up in a witch-hunt or an improper or improperly conducted process.
The press will go to town on this– they love a good negative story– especially if the Green Brigade are broken up and sent to different parts of the ground for being very naughty boys who simply did not play nice in the Playground.
The problem for them is that they were involved in a game which they decided to play among themselves and to the exclusion of everyone else with the result that when they are sent to to the four corners of the playground ( rightly or wrongly ) everyone else doesn’t give a toss because they weren’t their pals anyway.”
Hail Hail, young Conall, get following the Hoops with your Auld Da :-)
Celtic Board, 2 wrongs don’t make it right, I’m my view.
Time for you (anyone point me in a direction where our Chairman Mr Bankier, has done anything positive for us Fans) Celtic board, to tackle the Root cause of the disharmony in Scottish Football, The SFA.
And stick up for us fans with the constant bad news media, I want to see you tackle them with the same gusto, and quick responses.
Hail Hail
and here’s thomthetimforOscar’s post at 16.27 yesterday;
“During my schooldays, if there was any disruption in the class, of a significant level, if the perpetrators weren’t identified, the whole class suffered.
Them was the rules. May have changed since.
The GB has been on a collision course with the club since the day they set up in CP.
I said so at the time.
My reasoning was that you could not have a section of the support with an agenda that differed from the club’s Mission Statement.
Whether you agree with the club’s MS or not is irrelevent.
By disobeying the club’s policies, they indulged in anarchy.
Even though Friday ‘s disgrace was caused by some other entity, the principle of anarchy had already taken root.
Celtic’s mistake was in originally trying to accommodate a group who have no intention of accepting club or UEFA rules; rules, which if broken, bring punishment to the club.
Nobody who has a favourite pub would consider acting against the management’s rules, for fear of the consequences ,I.e. “yer barred”.
Simple. Support Celtic and keep your agenda for the ballot box.
No agenda, but Celtic’s agenda.”
Dharma..,
One wee correction,
“Many feel that they represent themselves as Uber fans– Ultras who want no part of talking to either the club or any other fan group. In other words, if you are not “in” the Green Brigade then you are automatically excluded.”
If you remember correctly the GB were excluded from talks on a number of occasions their requests for talks were also denied so the above statement IMO is simply wrong.
Dharma/ttt,
“No agenda, but Celtic’s agenda.”
Then using that logic we should not be trying to change the SFA’s agenda
Canamalar, I am reposting BRTH’s post.
I don’t believe there’s any correction needed – what BRTH has written does not conflict with what you;’ve said.
People can feel the GB represent themselves as uber-fans and the GB can be excluded from talks; both of these things can happen at the same time.
At eleven PM on Friday past, a bar was roobed of all its takings on Jamaica St. Violence was threatened by the perpetrators as they ran off, according to thirty-five thousand eyewitness, give or take a dozen or so, and two hundred uniformed officers of Police Scotland, they were heard to make their escape singing the Bhoys of the Old Brigade, The Soldiers son, The Roll of Honour, Belfast Brigade, Fighting Men of Crossmaglen, Oró Sé do Bheatha ‘Bhaile, The Broad Black Brimmer, Ambush At Drumnakilly, (three times) Boolavogue, (twice), Only Our Rivers Run Free, Merry Ploughboy, A Nation Once Again, Some Say The Divil Is Dead, they then paused to catch their breaths and quench their thirst with six bottles of Buckie each, before belting out a loud rendition of Laugh and the World Laughs With You, they then miraculously disappeared into the appreciative crowd.
Close analysis of CCTV later showed three St. Mungo’s pupils walking down the Jamaica street with suspicious shopping bags around five pm on the previous Wednesday. They are now being sought by the police along with every other pupil from the school, attending and former pupils, and when caught, they will all be tarred and feathered and hung from any available Glasgow lampposts not already populated with the swinging corpse of a pesky Green Brigader, and the school is going to be shut down for ever too’ and if any of them were actually gainfully employed their employers will be made aware that in future, no pseudo Irish are to get jobs.
How much serious crimes were commited in the west of Scotland last Friday night?
How many murders or attempted murders? How many rapes? How many serious assaults? How many wives were battered? How many homes were broken into?
How much of the Scotland’s police shrinking budget was spent actually trying to solve Friday night crime in the West of Scotland last Friday night or Saturday, or Sunday?
Was Campbell Ogilvie at home all night and can anybody stand alibi for that?
I heard he robbed a shop in Partick. Another in Pollockshaws. Skipped his bus fare from Govan to Kinning Park. Mugged three penshioners. Mugged three policemen and buggered their horse. Impersonated Santa in the land once known as Lewis’s. Drunk drove all night long up and down the Alexander Parade and woked a miracle by doing the same along the length of the Dumbarton Road for at least six hours. He molest a goat in the hills of Duntocher. I heard he graffiti’d
There is crime and there is crime and there is an appropriate response to the differing levels of crime.
There are also juries to make sure the guilty are punished appropriately too. (sic)
I’ve reposted the comments from another 2 posters as I felt they worth reposting.
Lennybhoy
Happy Birthday wishes to yer Bhoy!!
Dharma…,
I disagree he clearly states the GB refused to talk to anyone when in fact they were in constant correspondence with the CSA & CST they were refused access to talks to both board and police meetings and information concerning them discussed at those meeting required to be relayed by those included in the invitation.
BHRT making inaccurate claims does not paint a clear picture which in turn creates suspicion around the GB that suits the boards agenda when it comes to the GB
Dharma..,
Yep and I am glad you did on BRTH I did not see that post so that was my first time to respond to it.
On TTT I did see it and made the same response he is encouraging double standards, the board pollute Celtic park with their own political agenda but deny anyone else the same freedom that IMO needs to be challenged.
And the only one agenda is simply a request to conform with hypocritical totalitarian politics that we should be challenging and indeed are challenging when the same is demanded by the SFA
kevjungle- My only problem is that I have 4 more sleeps until I can watch this exciting young team tear the Hibees to ribbons.
Darling Hugh will not be there and neither will you. Whose fault is that?
N.C.L.H.E. Still pushing the same old same old about the GB well fella I think your spouting nonsense but I admire your stamina. H.H.
canamalar,
How ye doing?
Anything happening on the Res.12 front?
Haven’t heard a word for quite some time
Cheers
medtim
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
08:30 on
10 December, 2013
I may be wrong as BRTH is a fine user of our language but I think you’re misinterpreting him, I think he means that they present themselves as Uber fans.
He was not talking about their representation at any meetings or fora.
That should fix it.
Moonbeams, Many Hoopy Returns.
Have a good day buddy, hope the Bhoys give you a belated birthday present tomorrow,
Tuesday, 10 December 2013
FAC Statement
Fans Against Criminalisation have noted the statement released by Celtic yesterday and the media coverage of the events of Friday night at Fir Park. All of the organisations associated with this campaign (Celtic Supporters’ Association, Celtic Trust, Green Brigade, Affiliation of Registered CSCs and Association of Irish CSCs) condemn wanton acts of vandalism and have no objection to those responsible, if identified and after a fair and transparent investigation, being suitably disciplined. There are stadium regulations and laws which deal with such actions and our campaign is not against those laws. We wish to make it clear that what happened on Friday has absolutely nothing to do with our campaign against the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act which is a campaign against the criminalisation of free speech and political expression. We note attempts by the media to conflate the issues of vandalism with legitimate protest and we are confident that fair-minded people will see that for what it is.
And A very Hoopy Birthday to Conall.
Canamalar,
I’ve reread the part of the post you requoted and that bit states that other Celtic fans feel the GB portray themselves as uber fans, who want no part of talking with the club or other supporter groups.
That bit of BRTH ‘s post states that’s how other Celtic fans can feel how the GB represent themselves – he doesn’t say there that the GB actually refused to meet or talk with others.
People can feel the GB represent themselves as uber-fans who are better than other Celtic supporters and the GB can be excluded from talks at the same time.
Moonbeams` birthday? That makes him a mere four days older than myself (who will be celebrating my own at Celtic Park on Saturday the 14th against the Jambos).
JJ
PS I know I have no right to decide what the Blog content should be but does anyone really have anything new to say about what was an unwanted but fairly trivial matter last Friday?
Can we not move on and just wait for the outcome of Celtic`s initial action?
Maybe Celtic should disperse all its directors and office holders to all four corners of the ground, they’ll just have to do without their half-time alcohol for a wee while. Send them to all four corners and tell them to listen, and if they really feed the need they can join in with the Celtic Song.