Running late today…….
The Celtic Supporters Association are in their seventh decade so have seen it all before, albeit the matters the felt necessary to comment on today are uncommon in modern times. After their AGM yesterday they issued the following statement:
“We do not condone in any circumstances the letting off of smoke devices of any kind, the dangers to the health of our supporters should at all times be paramount in everybody’s thoughts. We have quite a number of members who are of the senior variety, and the dangers to anyone with respiratory problems are greatly increased by coming into contact with smoke.
We also do not condone the use of pyrotechnics of any kind; again the dangers to our own supporter’s health should be paramount at all times.
Finally, the deliberate damaging of property within any stadium is not acceptable, and leaves a stain on the great reputation of the Celtic Support. The seats that were broken at Fir Park was blatant vandalism; nothing else.”
I share Association president Joe O’Rourke’s hope that this is a watershed moment for the support, but most of us know at least one person who thrives on chaos and notoriety. We need as many strong voices to step forward as possible, someone with experience of putting genies back in bottles would be handy too.
Many thanks to those who participated in our Cinc Senti’s auction, which closed yesterday, raising £102 for charity. More on where the money will be going later in the week……..
“Yes those were the days, when you didn’t reach for your laptop, phone or tablet or whatever to see what you had missed in terms of things Celtic. Those days when, unless you were from east Kilbride, you had no idea what the eather was like there— and to be honest, you had absolutely no interest in finding out!….. Back to the days when you had never heard of Kojo and his way of speaking or writing, when no one had ever Brattbakkedinanager, would recognise a cash strapped scrofulous hillbilly outside Beverley Hills, and the only Battered Bunnet you knew of belonged to your Grandad.”
From ” To Everyone on Celtic Quick News– This is about what you have all done” — Page 6 of the 2014 CQN Annual
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I expect Real Madrid to be in trouble with UEFA after a political protest was made during their CL press conference – naughty Greenpeace.
I am not Celtic’s greatest supporter, I’ve seen the team play maybe a dozen times, I don’t live in Scotland but have a great love for the club. One of the things that cemented that love was travelling and meeting fans, seeing how they behaved, witnessing the positive reaction of our European hosts when travelling away for games. In the next few days I’m expecting my first child. For the first time in my life Celtic has moved down a rung in my priority list but something very special in my life. I would love someday to take my child to Glasgow and show them why I love this club so much.
The pictures from Fir park are disgusting. Not because there was a bit too much fun had and a bit of accidental damage was done. But because it seems in the stand last Friday the love of the team, the upholding of the reputation for decency and respect was not there. If it was, the first idiot to do damage to one seat would have been marched out by those around him, an from my past experience, maybe an apology made to the stewards.
I fully expected, again from my past experience of our supporters, a total unreserved condemnation of this behaviour. Have I been blind, are we actually not that different after all? Nobody who witnessed that behaviour is immune from responsibility. No supporter of the club is immune from a few days of soul searching over why this has happened and how we can all make sure it never happens again.
I still hope to bring my little one to the club I love but only if behaviour like this is hated and abhorred by every last lover of my beloved club.
Wonder if the club will extend the SB refund “deal” to those not in 111? Think not – be too scared the numbers who would accept but I suspect many fans, while bitterly opposing what happened on Friday night, will be as disgusted as me by the way the club have collared some of our own while sitting blindly by as the corrupt SFA, led by CO, get their way.
The SMSM reaction is exactly as we have come to expect yet these people are not only welcome at CP (Keevins excepted) but we also take their silver. The Board have played right into their hands. Yesterday’s statement should have been about the seat business and nothing else whatsoever. If the Board wanted to take issue with the GB that should have been done on a different day
One SB in 143 available next season lhads.
Also, hard to believe we are playing at the Nou Camp tomorrow. If I has not waved my two sons off I could almost have forgotten.
What a sad and pathetic way to end a CL campaign. As I feel right now that’s another 6 unsold tickets next year, Peter.
Turkeybhoy
11:12 on
10 December, 2013
Do you know who said the Green Brigade should have stopped them? The Green Brigade:
“Ultimately, we should have had greater control of the bodies present within our block and our failure to do so has resulted in events which are unacceptable and we will strive to ensure that such scenes are not repeated”
Bamboo. He’ll mend you for listening to that rubbish on call Kaye !!!
I do agree this crap unfettered misrepresentation is infuriating.
The same audience loves the fat former ‘housewives choice’ cheeky chappie….
Cognitive dissonance etc etc
I do hope those annoyed by this do as I am and highlight it to the BBC. It has gone unchecked too long.
The caller is what she is, her views informed by the media and she is probably a bitter wee blue rinse middle class seeking attention.
Those who allow her lies oxygen should be brought to account. They should know better and be informed and at worst case correct such blatant untruths.
jimmci
11:22 on
10 December, 2013
Anybody can hand in their season ticket at any time and get a refund based on the remaining games. The club have to do this by law, as you cannot charge for a service not yet received.
wee spiersy……………shameful.
Morning all. Brightish down here and very mild.
Was out and in the car I heard a wee bit of Radio Scotland’s discussion on the football and its current problems. My congratulations to Peter, who spoke very well, particularly with that Les Gray. Is there not something Celtic can do about this person, who is at least partly to blame for the current situation? His advocacy for the Act which is the occasion of much of the nonsense is still in full swing.
Best line of the programme I heard was “the reason for the trouble is that the big teams hate that the deid team still exist”. Classic.
turkeybhoy
11:12 on 10 December, 2013,
Good point mate, why expect the GB to deal with the neds, when a well paid police force turn their backs.
No doubt the headlines would have been somewhat different ” GB attacks peaceful celtic fans”.
sipsini
I posted the view from a Motherwell supporter I trust and respect, his view was lot’s of young ‘uns looking for it but not really having the bottle to have it, disinterested polis and stewards, let them get on with it!!
jimmci
11:22 on
10 December, 2013
Sorry that last sentence should ‘cannot charge for a service that won’t be received’
hoopyheaven
11:20 on 10 December, 2013
‘the first idiot to do damage to one seat would have been marched out by those around him, an from my past experience, maybe an apology made to the stewards.’
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You’ve been reading too much Enid Blyton.
There’s always been a lumpen element among the support.
Best wishes for your impending arrival.
Be aware though that dressing the infant in a Celtic babygro is regarded by some (Les Gray) as sectarian behaviour.
Beebawbabbity
10:14 on
10 December, 2013
Radio Scotland……..Call Kaye discussion featuring hurting Hun Les Gray pouring out his anti Celtic bile,
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I caught this on the way to work, Les Gray was / is an extremist. His language and frothing at the mouth rhetoric.
The erudite Celtic man, on his way to Barcelona was excellent.
Today, I feel a lot of mixed emotions about being a Celtic supporter, hurt even.
Not by the actions of neddish youths, but by the reaction of the rest of the support.
I have seen individuals with Celtic colours on do all sorts of bad things at matches, and in daily life. At no point do I think that means everyone is tarred, or that everyone shares a bit of the blame.
I think that collective blaming and shaming is going to haunt the pontificators in the future.
I dont want a group disbanded because they choose to protest in song or banner.
I do want those who host an event, pay police and stewards to manage it, to take their responsibilities seriously.
There were systemic failures in the organisation of this match.
We have witness accounts of drunken youths outside the ground.
We have statements of being directed to any turnstyle.
We have people saying they couldnt take their allocated seat, because they were not even in the right tier of the stand.
All of this, is now ignored, because the scapegoat is found, and thats allright then.
I predict a hardening of attitudes, the youths dont go away as some would like, they will grown some and come back smarter.
If my supporters bus was banned from receiving tickets, because some day “non members” behaved appalingly, I wouldnt be accepting of taking responsibility for their actions.
Les Grays police should do what they are paid to do.
Rant over.
I was planning some matches over xmas, I was in the Celtic shop in Clydebank last night when I heard the news breaking about the Green Brigade dispersment.
I was actually flicking through the CQN annual at the time.
I left without buying anything, no tickets, no pressies.
I am properly bored with victimisation of any group of celtic supporters.
People found guilty , after proper investigation, or better still lifted while doing it (cowardly cowardly policing and stewarding) thats the people to blame.
I feel really quite lost with all this, to a point of I dont recognise my fellow supporters who want hundreds of other fans banned.
Quite sick with it all , actually.
A view from abroad ———-
Had a chat with a Catania fan last week .A regular attender at the game.
He told me that business had taken him to Glasgow and that he’d taken the opportunity to attend the PTFC V Celtic game.
He treated me to the usual sneer re the quality of the football /expressed surprise at how drunk some people were{ early on a Sunday, many of them teenagers !] and poured scorn on the atmosphere..Not much colour, not much noise, all very well behaved..[ drunks who couldn’t speak without swearing apart } He was at the Thistle end.
Saint Stivs @11.33
Quite sick with it all , actually.
Ditto.
Ernie Lynch,
My experience has been more like the Bairds Bar school of justice, act like a thug, get put in your place fairly lively. I have been given the task of getting the going home outfit, if it’s a boy I might get away with the hoopygro.
Before the start of this season Celtic asked their supporters to take part in a survey. I suspect that many used the survey to state their concerns about the apparent misadministration of Scottish Football, and specifically, the apparent collusion by Scottish Football authorities and others in assisting a Rangers entity and phoenix of a club/company (clumpany) in liquidation due to financial and sporting impropriety on an unprecedented scale. It seemed that existing rules and laws (of business and football) were either being ignored or interpreted by often heavily conflicted officials to help preserve the notion of a new club as same club at the expense of sporting and business integrity. I wanted assurance that Celtic would vigorously oppose anything that conflicted with the proper application of rules, laws and the fundamental principles of business and sporting integrity.
I think that at this time I am probably disappointed at the lack of any clear statement or lead from Celtic on these matters. That said, I am not privileged to know the Club’s strategy nor am I fully aware of the constraints within which Celtic must operate.
However, I believe that the main focus for Celtic supporters at this time (notwithstanding the support of their team) should be the Scottish Football authorities and the many other groups and individuals that appear willing to go to any lengths to preserve a Rangers new club/same club phoenix, despite the unprecedented financial and sporting impropriety of the Rangers that is in liquidation. Do not forget that many creditors, including HMRC, have been cheated of tens of millions of great (sic) British pounds by an institution that has been held up as part of the fabric of our society. As far as I am concerned, that particular shred of dirty linen belongs permanently in the waste bin.
Wanton vandalism, loutish behaviour, or agenda driven/politically motivated actions by individuals and/or groupings within or attached to the Celtic support only serves to deflect attention from what should be the most important issue which is the fair and proper governance of football in Scotland.
The behaviour of a minority at Fir Park last Friday is indefensible. But if you want to understand the real issue for Scottish Football then compare the mainstream media time and energy devoted to the misbehaviour of a minority of Celtic supporters with that targeting the financial and sporting vandalism perpetrated by a club now in liquidation and its’ many heavily conflicted cheerleaders.
Chris
turkeyb….last night 22.59
sorry u felt I was taking you to task, not my intention. Guess I didn’t explain myself too well.
My disagreement was not that there had never been bad behaviour in the past but the conclusion you drew from that historic bad behaviour. I did say the Jungle was not, in my early years, as you described.
Anyway…no harm in debating.
HH
Turkeybhoy
You’ve mentioned Celtic casuals a few times now.
I will reiterate, there were no Celtic casuals involved in trouble at Fir Park. The casuals were Motherwell supporters.
ernie lynch
11:10 on 10 December, 2013
Too many on here are as quick as the Board at rushing to conclusions.
St Stives.
And me, seriously considering selling up the shares and leaving the club to the lock tuggers and bum barers, as tony D keeps telling us we are not needed or wanted, open to all has a rope round it’s neck and people like him have their hand on the trap release
Saint Stivs,
There is maybe one more opportunity for us (there is so many feel like you).CQN is well known for its campaigning for other great causes.Some serious effort needed to take this to Hamdump with all the facts and knowledge we have regarding CO and cohorts.Big Nan for a big job……..you would be backed 100%. Keevins et al do not really matter,they should not be given oxygen.
Last Chance SaloonCSC
Does anyone on here seriously believe that Lawell is less interested in having the balls to call out Deadco and his SFA masters for corruption and cheating,rather than flexing his muscles against imaginary bogeymen in our support?
Wish he’d feck off and take his cowardly board with him.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he sets up a truth and reconciliation committee on Deadco / Sevco,chaired by his mate Campbell Ogilvie.
jimmic…
Agree it would have been better to have made separate announcements.
I said yesterday I thought Celtic probably had plans for the closure of 111 and seat relocations already in hand.
The need to respond to the vandalism may have brought the issues together.
starry plough forza oscar,
I wasn’t at the game but from what I saw on the tv, the area was seriously overcrowded.
I’ve no defence for the idiots that have tarnished our good name.
A life ban? Yes, until there is proof of guilt on the people who have had their books suspended.. kangaroo court springs to mind.
I posted last year there was an upsurge in the casual movement.
I’m sure a lot of others noticed this trend, not only within our fanbase but throughout all football.
To me the green brigade have been used as whipping bhoys.
They have made some mistakes in the past but I’ve never witnessed wanting vandalism from them.
Ok, before any others jump in, there has been seats damaged in their area. Noted. I’ve a clumsy teenage bhoy that can get carried away with the crowd as I was when I was young…difference being… We all stood then. Is that not what the GB asked for?
Maybe the police on duty should be called to task. HH
Ryecatcher,
Do you think our next chief exec will operate any differently to pl?
And do you think the next one will be paid less if he does the same work and achieves the same results?
Just logged on to find out if the dr have reached the 500 seat mark yet ……
We are Celtic
Super Celtic
No one likes us
We don’t care.
lionroars67
09:37 on 10 December, 2013
Fair point, but the Catalans are huge in terms of UEFA, we’re not, its not a level playing field in those terms. We are the kind of club who coukd be made an example of. Not that they would ever extend implementation of the rules across the board, but they would always be able to use it as a reference point.
sipsini
the actrions of the m-well casuals, and in particulatr the actions fo the polis as told by HamiltonTim is the real story of Friday night.
when the rotten moc return to Cp, will any seat breaking / toliet trashing be highlighted ? will cuprots be suspended from ibrox, will others be dsipersed – nope.
Subterranean @ 11.41
The survey with the background of haemorraging thousands of season ticket holders (for a myriad of reasons) produced ‘a lick of paint ‘ in the creaking
Mainstand.
Broken seats at Motherwell or anywhere else is not news as David Murray
taught us in 1994 when he really ‘banned’ the Celtic support from his
graveyard.
The coverage has intensified because of the same David Murray’s ‘missing
millions “
HH
p.s. great post BTW
subterranean,
Nail hammered firmly on head, while they are busy sweeping it under the ever growing carpet, we are fighting with each other about some broken plastic seats and being pilloried from inside and out.
saint stivs,
Some of our so called fans might have been comfy on a certain Edinburgh jury, you know, don’t worry about the evidence, he’s guilty of having red hair!
Hail Hail
AR
Geordie Munro…….
I think a decent chief exec would now be looking at this as a 9 in a row season,as Deadco would never have been allowed to win 3 on the bounce.WGS would have buried them forever if he would have been given proper backing.
They are coming back nastier than ever,claiming the same history,on Lawell’s watch.
The man is spineless and a puppet for Dermot Desmond.
ryecatcher
11:51 on 10 December, 2013
Better to keep it sensible, non – personal…..oldco are deed, with sevco soon to follow….unless you believe the bigoted media….
ryecatcher
12:07 on 10 December, 2013
Anyone can claim what anyone likes…..doesn’t make anyone right…….no ?
One man’s Li-on
Is another man’s Dem-on.
Praise the Lord for the ole cricket.
Hamiltontim is praying for Oscar
11:44 on
10 December, 2013
Turkeybhoy
You’ve mentioned Celtic casuals a few times now.
I will reiterate, there were no Celtic casuals involved in trouble at Fir Park. The casuals were Motherwell supporters.
Sorry to contradict you on this.My mates had a bit of a run in with them in Glasgow City centre before the game.Not a fight as such,but my mates were giving them pelters.One of my mates knows a couple of them from Carntyne.They were going through about 50 handed,to have a go with the Well Casuals.Same mob with the hooped hats.They are now getting tickets for all the away games.Average age 16-18.One of them is some cretin aged about 35.
Why is this being ignored while Celtic are front page news?
Are the police hunting these Motherwell fans down?
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