Running late today…….
The Celtic Supporters Association are in their seventh decade so have seen it all before, albeit the matters the felt necessary to comment on today are uncommon in modern times. After their AGM yesterday they issued the following statement:
“We do not condone in any circumstances the letting off of smoke devices of any kind, the dangers to the health of our supporters should at all times be paramount in everybody’s thoughts. We have quite a number of members who are of the senior variety, and the dangers to anyone with respiratory problems are greatly increased by coming into contact with smoke.
We also do not condone the use of pyrotechnics of any kind; again the dangers to our own supporter’s health should be paramount at all times.
Finally, the deliberate damaging of property within any stadium is not acceptable, and leaves a stain on the great reputation of the Celtic Support. The seats that were broken at Fir Park was blatant vandalism; nothing else.”
I share Association president Joe O’Rourke’s hope that this is a watershed moment for the support, but most of us know at least one person who thrives on chaos and notoriety. We need as many strong voices to step forward as possible, someone with experience of putting genies back in bottles would be handy too.
Many thanks to those who participated in our Cinc Senti’s auction, which closed yesterday, raising £102 for charity. More on where the money will be going later in the week……..
“Yes those were the days, when you didn’t reach for your laptop, phone or tablet or whatever to see what you had missed in terms of things Celtic. Those days when, unless you were from east Kilbride, you had no idea what the eather was like there— and to be honest, you had absolutely no interest in finding out!….. Back to the days when you had never heard of Kojo and his way of speaking or writing, when no one had ever Brattbakkedinanager, would recognise a cash strapped scrofulous hillbilly outside Beverley Hills, and the only Battered Bunnet you knew of belonged to your Grandad.”
From ” To Everyone on Celtic Quick News– This is about what you have all done” — Page 6 of the 2014 CQN Annual
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Larssonse7en/Anthony. : respect ….. If you were also going to use it as an excuse for your golf it’s not going to work , apart from the two rounds this year remember I also played the CQN open with you 5 yrs ago, you were just as bad then :-) . Seriously though , I know what you are going through , happened to me 3 yrs ago after a 17 yr relationship, I’m sure it affects men worse than women.One day at a time mate, and I’m sure if Andy is goin to Barca he’ll meet you for a drink . Met him in the Dam, always a pleasure.
BCW
We had a spat over the IRA after we threw away the league at ICT. A few of us had a drunken row(not sure you were!)
I waited outside a pub for an hour for the aggressive one the next week but he never showed. Typical
All in the spat had a go but you cut and pasted some of my comms and none of yours or anyone elses and branded me a ‘ cad'(are you Russell Brand?)
Very unfair and no-one commented as the moment was gone.
As i said, unfortunate spat, and once again I apologise.
I do like your posts but not your tone!!!
Ironically,a lot of bhoys posting views that i might not particularly agree with,care more about the damage to our Club’s reputation,than the halfwits who done the damage at Fir Park.
Before bed, just one more thing.
Kenny MacAskill refuses to meet grieving Swedish mum.
http://petercherbi.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/justice-secretary-macaskill-turns-his.html …
Kenny MacAskill refuses to meet stab victim’s parents http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/fife/family-to-contest-cowdenbeath-by-election-as-victims-final-right-party-1.162504 …
Not being party political but time for Fatal Accident Inquiry law change
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/GettingInvolved/Petitions/thevictimslastright …
Please consider signing for change, if we don’t complain they will think we are happy with things the way they are.
H.H.
Celtic_First
Aye, much missed Celtic chat. Hope you and the family are doing good. They wee lassies won’t be so wee anymore.
SwanseaBhoy
Celtic_First
I look forward to that, I am fine, finding my way daily as best I can, I went to the pilgrim island of Shikoku in Japan where you can see white clad pilgrims on the highways and backroads walking between the islands 88 temples! I was fortunate enough to share a breakfast table with one some man, a young IT professional who very generously explained his reasons for walking the pilgrim way of The Hendro..
“It was time, life cannot always be about the acquirement of riches, my emptiness took me over and here I am ” he said quite simply!!
It’s quite a sight to see as I am sure your way was too…
How did Celtic FC survive for 123 years without the GB?
I only ask because according to a lot of people, there will be no atmosphere without them and we might as well stop going to the park.
Deep breath. Sigh. There. Now, where were we? Oh yes, that’s right; the policy of appeasement. Yes. The policy of appeasement. How have we been getting on with that?Peter? No? Anyone? Anyone?
That’s where keeping your mouth shut gets you.
starry plough forza oscar
23:41
It sounds very interesting. I hadn’t heard of it before.
I was hoping to stay awake long enough to see if the shape-shifters have a shift-change at midnight, but I’m too tired. And don’t really care.
Peace to all.
Celtic_First
Vaya Con Dios, me too nite nite..
LOLCSC
LARSSONSE7EN. 1936
A truly brave post,sir. I congratulate you on having the courage to make it.
I hope you find yourself in a far better place very soon.
You deserve that.
Very sad day for the club when we take the guilty till proven otherwise route. Since the demise of yon deid club the msm have taken every opportunity to paint our club in a bad light. The events on Friday night were out of order no excuses they should not have happened. The knee jerk reaction of the board has played right into the msm hands, mr irvine will be most pleased. We need to take this in context no one was killed, but if your daft enough to read the DR then you would think violence on a massive scale took place. I’m not condoning the actions of the minority and it was a minority but the actions of the board should be a bit more measured.
The future generations of supporters could be swayed away from the game, there are many more distraction today than when we were younger. We are going down the route of PC madness and sterilization of the beautiful game. Young fans are attracted by the noise and colour the GB provide, we are heading down the route of sweetie paper rustling customers. We are a passionate club with a proud tradition of fervent support of our team, we need to think of what route we take going forward. There is a big decision to make here, I go and will always go to the game but what of the young fans of tomorrow??
Can we make the match day experience enjoyable and fun enough for them?? We are a club heading in the right direction we need a strong hand on the rudder to steer us on the right course, time for strong hearts and minds from the custodians of our great club.
Don’t let us down.
Quote from Waddell.
“Lawwell is dragging Neil Lennon around all the chapel halls trying to sell Neil Lennon to the Celtic fans”
This poisonous bitch should be banned from Celtic Park for ever!!
Coneybhoy
Honestly matey if that was me I have no recollection at all. As mentioned earlier I never forget a spat fight or anything resembling such. Especially if things had deteriorated to the extent that you arranged to meet someone ?
I’d also mention ‘ cad’ is not a term I can recall using. I have sound reason for that assertion.
Having said all that I’m sorry for any slight or offence I may have caused prior.
Honestly, feel my tone at the other poster was justified tonight. You (unwittingly) allowed something to scuttle up a drainpipe. Still no reason for me to vent at you. Apologies.
Hope your dad has a great 75th Birthday and enjoys a big Celtic victory over the HIbees.
Post of the day……………
Burghbhoy
19:33 on 9 December, 2013
Stebhoy
My point in using the Great man’s words were simply to illustrate that IMO this board are driving away the support. If it weren’t irrational I would have thought they to be fifth columnists and actually working against us !!!!
Here is their rap sheet.
1.Taking the cheap option at every turn….failing to invest in Jan 2005 cost us 4 in a row.
2.Let the people sing & fields of Athenrye. Perfectly acceptable, all else not.
3. Staggering silence on corruption in Scottish Football.
4. Staggering silence on Sevco cheating and corruption.
5.Staggering silence on the criminalisation of our support .
6 rejection of the living wage proposal.Both disgusting and morally unacceptable .
7. Issuing banning orders without establishing guilt.
All of the above lead me to the great mans statement….
‘ football without fans is nothing’
That is where we are heading.
We need a 94 type revolution
Didnt hear SSB tonight. Was Mcleans booking of Pukki discussed?
M mcG
To many un-Celtic people on the board now for my liking!!
jude2005 is neil lennon \o/
23:53 on 9 December, 2013
He is a hurting Hun who kids on he’s a Falkirk supporter. His brother was/is an editor for the DR, a whole family of scumbags. After his coughgate piece in the paper he should have been sine died from Celtic park. Your typical Hun with a laptop.
Now that I have had a sleep let me make an observation or…. or two.
We are told that the Motherwell stand is now to be regarded as a crime scene, presumably with a view to identifying persons who can ultimately be charged with a crime. Which crime that might be is as yet unknown– but a crime that has to be proven beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law if the charges are to be proven.
So– where is the evidence to come from?
As I said first of all there is CCTV and TV footage to see whether or not perpetrators can be identified.
Second, there is the official records of who should have been sitting in those seats and so had taken on the legal responsibility for those seats for the duration of the game.
Now just because you bought a specific seat does not mean that you are automatically guilty of anything, but then again if you did buy the ticket for a seat and you gave the ticket away to a pal who did damage to the seat then you still bear responsibility for that seat— not criminal responsibility admittedly but civil responsibility.
However, there have been several accounts which suggest that all stewarding failed at the game and that there was a general free for all in terms of where you entered and sat.
If so, then Motherwell FC may well rue the day that any enquiry was announced as they have been caught napping here.
However, of greatest concern to me– way beyond the issue of deliberately vandalised seats— was the report that when some Celtic fans challenged the perpetrators and asked them to desist—- those fans were met with threats of violence. Further I have read that some people sort of formed a cordon at the back of the seat breakers to stop the Police and Stewards– and possibly other fans— from interfering.
Now if that is correct– if we have organised deliberate vandalism accompanied by organised protection for that vandalism together with threatening behaviour towards fellow Celtic supporters trying to stop that vandalism, then I think we had all better wake up and see beyond the small minded argument about “was this the GB or was it not the GB?”.
Because that kind of shit just isn’t on and has nothing to do with being a Celtic fan.
We know that the media coverage in this country is poor– I remind you that Craig Whyte is a Motherwell Born Billionaire etc etc — and that we now know for a fact that certain factions deliberately seek to highlight and emphasise negative Celtic stories.
So do not get drawn in or let yourself be misled.
There have been no bans.
There have been precautionary suspensions pending investigation.
Those investigations will have to be based on some form of evidential platform — possibly starting with tickets bought— and will move on from there.
I have no doubt innocent people will be caught up in this and every effort should be used to defend their reputation and good name.
However, we cannot allow a minority who behave in any unified way whatsoever to become demonstrative of a whole Celtic fanbase.
The Vandals– no matter who or how many they are do not represent that fan base as a whole and the majority– if not the entirety— would want to see them gone.
Very shortly after the game I posted on twitter that I had heard there was trouble and that it was NOT the Green Brigade. That came from eyewitnesses at the game– some of whom were so disgusted that they left at half time. Celtic fans leaving at half time– think about it!
As for the Green Brigade, with all due respect to them whoever they are, I have said for some time that in my opinion they need to be far more clever politically than they have been.
Banners and whatever can be clever but really clever politics means making sure that you keep a large volume of support at your back and you back your targets into a corner.
The Green Brigade have failed in both fields of recent.
Many feel that they represent themselves as Uber fans– Ultras who want no part of talking to either the club or any other fan group. In other words, if you are not “in” the Green Brigade then you are automatically excluded. You are an outsider and that it is Green Brigade first– Celtic second.
I have seen them described as a gang and a faction. I am told that they are “wee boys” and separately that they count among their ranks many bright young men from good families and so on.
No matter who they are and what they stand for they have left themselves as hostages to fortune by not clearly identifying who is and who is not Green Brigade.
Yes I know about Focus, the act and all that– and all the good reasons for non identification— but that all comes with the fact that there is a rubbish act in place and in fighting it you have to be clever.
I have no doubt that many of those who were involved on Friday are not Green Brigade. maybe none of them were.
However there has been constant seat damage within section 111 of Celtic park and so when you get seat damage at an away ground coupled with any evidence which suggests that the seats concerned were allocated to GB season ticket holders ( if that in fact is the case ) then you can see why the finger of suspicion would point in that direction. That is when previous misdemeanors from section 111 which were all just a laugh come back to haunt you and bite you in the arse.
Now, of course that suggestion can be disproved and shown to be wrong– but it is at least in part up to the Green Brigade and its members to actually get off their jacksies and demonstrate to the club that in actual fact something and someone else is to blame here. They also have to help in ridding the club of the vandals– for their own sakes.
Members of the Green Brigade do a lot of good– they raise money for charity like anyone else, and of course they have campaigned against the club board at times– again fair enough. But that does not make them Celtic and one fan I know of was annoyed when Neil Lennon took the league trophy over to section 111 and laid it down on the ground and saluted them especially.
That made this other fan feel– well that the GB were seen as better than the rest of us– louder and greater supporters than the rest of us– and that isn’t so. He felt that act gave them a legitimacy which has encouraged them to go further and further away from the rest of us.
There are many different Celtic Supporters Associations and clubs– they often intermix and join together on various projects– yet the GB — whoever they are– do not– or at least it appears they do not.
And that is where their problems lie. Many will support them to an extent, but by being seen as the uber ultras they are always in danger of attracting an element who may or may not come from within their ranks and who will go too far in some way or another– and they find themselves powerless to adequately disassociate themselves from them without penalty or consequence.
Celtic will pursue lines of enquiry and look for evidence as to who the perpetrators were– and they may be able to nail some guys but will miss others.
What shouldn’t happen is for completely innocent fans to get caught up in a witch-hunt or an improper or improperly conducted process.
The press will go to town on this– they love a good negative story– especially if the Green Brigade are broken up and sent to different parts of the ground for being very naughty boys who simply did not play nice in the Playground.
The problem for them is that they were involved in a game which they decided to play among themselves and to the exclusion of everyone else with the result that when they are sent to to the four corners of the playground ( rightly or wrongly ) everyone else doesn’t give a toss because they weren’t their pals anyway.
jude2005
unfortunately the bother has taken the focus off the awful wee man in black.
BRTH
Simple solution. We all sing CELTIC songs for 90 odd minutes every week. We all know the words. Then we are ALL the Green Brigade….
I don’t support PL I think he got lucky after his appointment of Mowbray.
I don’t support GB trying to divide my club.
I support Celtic 100%.
So fat sals new pal huzznae heard of fat sals old pals Green & Whyte!!??
Its just a gravy train for a flimsy oligarchy based on the bigot buck under the auspices of a sport.
the hooped crusader
All his pals a huns but he’s bairn! One cretin of a man!!
DISGRACEFUL this is what our board should be tackling.
Richter scale,Campbell Ogilvie,Craig Moore DOS,D&P withheld info,LNS,absolute scandal.
Only conclusion is corruption http://t.co/XHZg7ODeri
Dear Sweet Jesus,
Graham Spiers is like St Paul having half an epiphany on the road to Damascus keeping one eye shut.
The Celtic fans should cherish their Irish History but they have no time for Bobby Sands and the likes.
Hmmm — many might not agree with Sands, his politics, his stance, the organisation he joined, his protest, or whatever.
However, the man died in protest for his beliefs and ensured that no one else died or was physically injured as a result of that action.
Further, he was an elected member of parliament– he had moved to the ballot box long before “Good Friday” and all that jazz. He is lauded among many political thinkers abroad and with no disrespect to Mr Mandela it can surely be argued at least that Sands took a far harder route of protest.
Sorry Graham — I appreciate your now repeated statement that we should cherish our Irish routes– God knows I am proud of mine– whilst at the same time remembering that we are an all inclusive club welcoming the Frenchman, The Pole, The Italian, the Spaniard and whoever else.
But don’t tell me which parts of Ireland I accept or reject.
Plod and the judiciary are too involved trying to stitch up celtic fans to be bothered with unsolved murders. Speshully if the victumz a ferner.
I’ve noticed all these scumbags at the MSM & the SFA are slowly coming out their hide outs since Charlotte Fakes has bolted.
Should add I don’t think the GB are to blame for events at Motherwell. Probably a combination of Friday night drink and no stewarding to blame. Motherwell FC are as guilty as anyone for letting fans sit where they wanted rather than in seat printed on ticket.
However the club have taken the opportunity to deal with a section of our support the likes to bend the rules that the rest of the stadium have to comply with, simple as that.
Kevtic
Must try and raise it 2 morro night.
HaiL HaiL and good night.
If the good Lord allows me to awake in the morn ill still love and support my beloved Celtic.
Margaret McGill
00:25 on
10 December, 2013
Its just a gravy train for a flimsy oligarchy based on the bigot buck under the auspices of a sport.
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Ah, but the ‘flimsy oligarchy’ just lost £20k paying for the damage or is this loose change in the bigger picture?
WeneedtoknowCSC
macjay1 for Neil Lennon
21:11 on 9 December, 2013
Celtic Wiki.
If it is true that Desmond White asked for the takings from our share of the World Championship play off in a bag and accepted Argentinian currency rather than U.S. Dollars it tells you much about their financial acumen.
“IF” it is true…..
The play off was in Uruguay.
…pesos in a bag…whats your point?
A scarf is only a scarf but when its got Keep Ulster Protestant on it its a banner!!
Night all. H H
CaltonTongues#TeamOscar
00:34 on 10 December, 2013
naw they didnae… you’ll be paying for it
BRTH – you’re very good at translating my thoughts. Are you inside my head?
Big Cup Winners
Thanks for that.
Glad we sorted that out(as i said, emotions were high at the time).
I only mentioned tone(in text) as it always sounds worse than in person.
I always prefer calm debate on here and hope the spats die down tomorrow!
Thanks for the call on he auld boy. We are flying in from Dublin, going to the game, family meal and nice hotel for my lot plus parents – all on me. My wife asked me what pressie i was buying!!!