You have been presented with a narrative that we should collapse the Scottish Premier League this summer and have the SFA register a new, two-division, league system to resolve the problems inherent in having too many bodies running our game. This is complete nonsense.
Those pushing for a SPL 2 are, perhaps with good intentions, trying to pull a deal together to reduce the impact of the demise of Rangers FC buy allowing a phoenix the chance to gain entry into the league structure two levels higher than what they now face.
It’s a stupid proposal.
As things stand, there is no chance of a Newco getting access to the SPL next season. Despite Neil Doncaster heavily advocating the notion, the idea is simply undeliverable. Our club has been committed to opposing the proposition from the beginning, while many others now realise they have to observe the strong feelings of their own supporters on the matter.
Doncaster should have realised this was a campaign he could not win before he boxed himself into a corner over it. SPL 2 is an attempt to address the ‘No to Newco’ concerns while bringing the income some in the game hope Newco will deliver.
The unnamed SFA source who briefed the BBC on this topic last week made no reference whatsoever to Newco, their focus was all on the administrative challenges of having multiple bodies in charge of the game, but this was disingenuous. If there was a prospect of Newco getting into the SPL we would not be having this debate.
Tell us the truth, be honest, and these random, ill-considered, notions will perhaps be received in a better light.
The hope is that fans of the former club, Rangers, bring their cash along to watch Newco, which would play SPL 2 football next season and would be subject to whatever penalties the various independent bodies impose for years to come for the illegal actions of Rangers. This would allow Newco to claim the history of Rangers, would perhaps maintain the existing BSkyB TV deal and would meet the ‘No to Newco’ demands.
There are several huge obstacles to overcome. The SFA will soon instruct Lord Carloway’s Appellate Panel to consider a new punishment for ‘Rangers’ for misdeeds during the Craig Whyte era. I expect him to suspend the ‘club’ for 12 months. A new independent judicial panel will consider the case against ‘Rangers’ for subverting our game for over a decade through the illegal registration of players. If/when the First Tier Tribunal finds against Rangers a fresh wave of charges will be brought against any club claiming to hold that identity – as a guide, think of the punishments for the Craig Whyte era multiplied by 12.
These three independent judicial panels will destroy whatever is left of what we used to call ‘Rangers’ and there is nothing the football authorities can do about it.
Sevco, who own Ibrox and have applied for SPL access, already face an enormous challenge to meet trading costs for a year, even in the SPL, never mind a lower league (as Dave King correctly concluded). They are prime candidates for another insolvency event any time soon. Best of all, a Celtic fan has now bid for the assets (more on this later)!
Even if Newco overcame these enormous challenges, the SFA and SPL executives, having realised they cannot convince fans of 11 clubs to hold their noses and put up with a Newco-Rangers, will now try to convince former Rangers fans to cough up cash to support a Newco that will be rendered impotent by the most severe penalties in the history of our game.
I cannot see former Rangers fans accepting their role as cannon fodder for St Mirren, Motherwell and (cough) Kilmarnock in a league where the Mighty Celtic romp home by 30 points.
I don’t have an objection in principle to a two-league SPL but plan it properly, don’t allow knee-jerk reactions to dictate thinking. There’s no point in us getting paranoid about this, it’s not some attempt to help the remnants of ‘Rangers’, it’s just a stupid proposal from people who have yet to see the big picture.
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Remember Keevins doesn’t use the internet lol, i right.
Tim Malone Will Tell on 21 June, 2012 at 23:44 said:
Was never comfortable with our ‘cosy’ relationship with RFC (deceased) i.e. guilt by association.Never liked what I became when we played ‘them’
I too remember the 80’s and a healthy rivalry between the clubs I think we should reward these clubs and fans by supporting away fixtures more where possible.(assuming the vote goes the right way)
Obviously their own fans have to back up their club’s faith in them by turning up for games
Also a word for the Kilmarnock fans…. your chairman needs to go… I will not be giving you another penny till he is removed from post!
Snake Plissken on 21 June, 2012 at 23:49 said:
Jim Spence @bbcjimspence
On Good Morning Scotland 8.20 am with Liam McLeod To discuss Dundee Utd no to Newco and I’ll be able to announce another club voting NO
More good news
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this is like Christmas Eve.Won’t be able to sleep tonight!
estorilbhoy on 22 June, 2012 at 00:22 said:
I’m like you regarding SPL 2 but after debating with a poster earlier he was 100% sure they were going to the 3rd so i told him i’m holding him to that.
thomthethim CQN (genuine) Badge Wearer on 22 June, 2012 at 00:23 said:
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sleep the sleep of the just!
CultsBhoy, 00:22
Do so. The use of new media could be applied to any topic that people are knowledgable and passionate about. It’s a case study at Channel 4 News at the minute
mic1888,
re Kilmarnock i think your sentiments are shared by the vast majority of Celtic fans,either they will bottle it and vote no when they see they are in the minority or they will arrange friendlies/testimonials against the huns so that their friends can visit
estorilbhoy – they are the shitty end of the stick and I don’t think anyone will want to touch them. So no SPL2 for them. IMO (and no SPL2 in the near future either)
Meanwhile, the money (£5.5m) that Green allegedly put up is where exactly?
We Craigy still owns the assets and is still the real owner of what is left of them.
They are an irrelevance.
hen1rik on 22 June, 2012 at 00:25 said:
estorilbhoy on 22 June, 2012 at 00:22 said:
I’m like you regarding SPL 2 but after debating with a poster earlier he was 100% sure they were going to the 3rd so i told him i’m holding him to that.
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Thanks. I still believe that the SPL 2 story is too convenient a story not to link it to allowing entry for Sevco.
Without fact I would not be as buoyant as other posters on here tonight on their demise. One year out for all their transgressions is not a lot to pay.
Hope I’m wrong.
Hail! Hail!
Just checked the Scottish Sun online but don’t want to post the whole article, took interest in this part.
But talks have been taking place to fast-track a merger between the SFL and SPL which could mean demotion to the First Division.
Read more: http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4387832/SPL-rivals-ready-to-vote-against-newco.html#ixzz1yZGn8QWv
Love it!!
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Many fans whose club will vote no won’t necessarily renew their season tickets now. I would imagine that many are disgusted by the fact that Campbell Ogilvie is still in position along with many of Moonbeams acolytes…. Another season with them governing and peddling their lies in the media…..why bother ?
Did RFCia get SPL prize money ? Doncaster too
Unless something is seen to be done about that then many clubs will still struggle to get even last seasons numbers.
HH
Evening all
4 points on my mind
My god please let the football season start again because I’m swinging the golf club like jim furyk at the top and hitting the ball like Amoruso at the bottom.
Good to hear the clubs are just doing the right thing by saying NO and GO
There are no shortcuts to Honest sport.
Who would have thought Raul Meireles could get a worse haircut than the one he had?
And finally
A big mention to a lovely man Teddy Scott of Aberdeen f.c who passed away
A gentleman in Scottish football and an honesty about him that others that run our game could take example from.
Tictalker talking tic
Can’t figure this iPad out
Whilst I greatly admire the stance of Hearts and their stated intention to vote NO, I will never, ever stand and applaud a Hearts team onto the park.
Now I come to think of it, although I am grateful, I wouldn’t vote any other team onto the park.
Art of War on 22 June, 2012 at 00:30 said:
estorilbhoy – they are the shitty end of the stick and I don’t think anyone will want to touch them. So no SPL2 for them. IMO (and no SPL2 in the near future either)
Meanwhile, the money (£5.5m) that Green allegedly put up is where exactly?
We Craigy still owns the assets and is still the real owner of what is left of them.
They are an irrelevance.
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AoW.
Of the above statement what is fact and what is opinion?
I understand fholks what to give opinion but let’s not confuse this with facts, not disagreeing with you just want to make sure debate is factual and not hearsay or wishful thinking.
Hail! Hail!
tictalker –
My god please let the football season start again because I’m swinging the golf club like jim furyk at the top and hitting the ball like Amoruso at the bottom.
Good to hear the clubs are just doing the right thing by saying NO and GO
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Which clubs? 9 iron or sand-wedge?
hen1rik
i suspect Keevins barely uses the internet….he’ll have an assistant who uses it and shows him stuff. Left to his own devices I doubt he uses a smart phone or tablet..or even a PC…
My old boss was about Keevin’s age cracking able guy but eventually progress overtook him – he became a dinosaur and left. He used to joke about it but the reality was he was left behind. Keevins should go before he discredits his profession any further..
mic1888 says no to cheats charter no to zombie r*****s on 22 June, 2012 at 00:35 said:
Can’t figure this iPad out
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It’s brill you will come to love it.
tictalker on 22 June, 2012 at 00:34 said:
Don’t mention that word golf to me lol, i’ve been going up every medal since the start of the competitions lol.
I spend much of my working month in England – London, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol – and I have been briefing colleagues for around 18 months about the catastrophe that is RFC.
I frequently use the phrase “biggest scandal in British football history” . I have lost count of the times the guys dowm there have asked “is this it now?” as revelation after revelation has unravelled.
Despite my warnings to them that the media would spin everything like a fairy tale, it has taken until now for it to fully sink in.
Billionaire Craig Whyte……nope, he isn’t.
David Murray has a knighthood….yip, I know he does.
Whyte has paid off the debt…..nope, just transferred it.
But he paid off the bank debt….aye, using future season ticket money.
He got the SFA CEO to join the board…..aye, but it’s Gordon Smith…too much to even start to explain with that one!
Even adminstration didn’t quell the belief…
Administrators say they can exit admin by May…..sure, sure.
HMRC have done a deal…..sure, sure.
American is buying the club….sure, sure.
Blue Knights are buying the club…..sure, sure.
Charles Green has bought the club…..sure, sure
CVA will be agreed…..sure, sure.
I am down there every week. They are so clued up on the goings on, or at least follow the media version, that they now text me with news before I know it.
I wa told of the CVA rejection by HMRC while I was in Bristol by one avid follower.
Looks like the Newco route……sure, sure.
Walter Smith will buy them, wave of positivity…..sure, sure…..have you guys learned nothing?????
The SPL CEO sure wants them in…..this one did worry me, I have to confess….but fan power remained my get out clause.
Tonight, before I knew of DU and HOM statements, by phone beeped twice with similar texts. I have since established that both parties were in the pub and had seen the Sky Sports News item tonight about both clubs statements. They have now acknowledged the scale I alluded to a year ago was on the mark (credit CQN and RTC).
They were looking for a reaction from me……I texted my usual retort……this is just a dress rehearsal…….the big story is still to come.
And it is.
It’s been a good day at the office, but the best is yet to come….
I have worn two of them down.
Then it was
CultsBhoy loves being 1st forever & ever on 22 June, 2012 at 00:38 said:
I and take Jabba and Jingle Jangle Jackson with him.
I have the same problem … You’re standing too close to the ball…………..after you’ve hit it!
How quiet has CW been.
….then it was time for bed, as zebedee used to say.
Nighty Night,
estorilbhoy – apologies, I should have used `IMO’ thru that.
My problem is that there are far too many things, such as sweeping statements from Green, that have not been questioned or confirmed by a reliable source. So i speculate.
To try and restructure the leagues in a hap-hazard manner to accommodate one ex-club is not acceptable or do-able given the timescales. Especially over the course of the summer holidays. In my view, that is why it won’t happen.
The demise of RFC has gone well beyond football or sport for that matter. This was massive organised crime of mafia proportions involved. It has taken the power of the state to come in and bring this all down (HMRC & Police involvement). As some are already saying this story is still unraveling and I wouldn’t be surprised if many people end up behind bars.
Art of War
9 or sw ? Try driver lol
hen1rik, 00:41
Don’t worry, he’ll have plenty to say next week on Channel 4
hen1rik
I know the feeling pal
The newco are not the only ones heading to division 3
Tictalker talking tic
Right lads I’m off goodnight and god bless.
I don’t know if your on the wind up about the golf but if your not try this site http://www.kevincraggs.com select coaching-top10tips and away you go.
As you can see its helping my game lol.
HH Bhoys.
O.G.Rafferty on 22 June, 2012 at 00:47 said:
hen1rik, 00:41
Don’t worry, he’ll have plenty to say next week on Channel 4
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Good Good mate can’t wait.
tictalker on 22 June, 2012 at 00:48 said:
hen1rik
I know the feeling pal
The newco are not the only ones heading to division 3
Tictalker talking tic
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I’m single figures and if i keep playing the way I’m playing then yes i’ll be joining newco in the 3rd haha.
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo –
From a legal point of view, the SPL had no case for not paying Rangers their prize money for finishing second. Rangers were duly sanctioned for going into liquidation – a 10 point deduction. They were neither suspended nor expelled. They finished the season in second place.
They were one of 12 members of the SPL. The SPL Board have no power to withhold prize-money under the statutes.
Whether we like it or not, that is the case.
tictalker – only played the game once. Wife and bhoy were my caddies.
Got to final green and there were photographers and models in tweeds etc…all over the place. Turns out it was a photoshoot for the NEXT catalogue.
They asked if I could show the models how to hold the club correctly.
Wife started to say “He’s not got a cl…..”
Till I cut her off and said that, of course, it would be my pleasure. Ah memories!!!
Haven’t played since. Didn’t think I could beat that day! :-0
Speaking of SPL statutes.
The statute says that any move to restructure the SPL must be voted-in by an 11-1 majority, and even then, the restructuring cannot be incorporated until the end of the following season.
Tom Mc..,
it also says allocation of a share requires an 11-1 wote, but thats not what they are publishing
Love it!
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