Making the great leap between playing Scottish Premiership teams and the likes of Inter Milan will always be a challenge for Celtic. We have done so many times in recent years, Milan were held home and away in the Champions League knock-out stage, Barcelona were beaten, but whenever we have carried the game to opponents of this stature, instead of reverting to our own style of catnenaccio, we’ve lost heavily. Quicker, more skilful, players, could make us look statuesque by comparison.
This is not a criticism. If the only way you can compete with a team with ten times your resources is to defend your 18 yard line, you should do so.
Things could have gone either way on Thursday. We were defensively inept during the opening minutes as Inter found space goal-side of their markers. I don’t know if Ronny had a moment of self-doubt at that point, perhaps he did, but was simply unable to unwind the attacking instincts of his players, but Celtic are all the better for the way they picked themselves off the floor.
I’m sure the odds on Inter progressing will be short, but I’m also sure Ronny Deila will know his players can win in Milan.
I arrived home late last night to read that Tony Conway, son of our own RWE, lost his battle against Motor Neurone Disease/ALS. I met Tony, with dad John and brother Martin, three years ago. Tony was still fit enough to walk, but evidence of the pain the family shared was evident. The three of them travelled back from their US home two years ago, along with mum Pauline, to see Celtic, and meet some family.
They bought hospitality tickets and minutes before kick-off, Celtic’s Iain Jamieson nabbed Tony and asked if he was able to make the halftime draw. Tony knew this would be the last time he would see Celtic, so his journey up the tunnel and onto the park was, to put it mildly, a very special Celtic Park moment.
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Top of the morning to you all from a grey, still, but fair Fife.
Here’s hoping for a good game and the weather to hold for those hardy souls travelling to Hamilton.
What’s in a word? Here is my definition of the word fenian.
Minogue’s Urban Dictionary. Definition: Fenian
In my lifetime of experience the word “fenian” is normally preceded and followed by an expletive such as “dirty fenian bastard” or “fenian c**t”.
Again speaking from experience when directed towards me it wasn’t a reference to my affiliation to a political party from the 19th century. Rather it was a derogatory reference to my perceived ethnicity and religion.
I have come to these conclusions because of remarks aimed at me by bigots such as, “is that a fenian name?” in reference to my Irish surname, or “who put that fenian music on” if I had played a Pogues or Dubliners record on the juke-box in my local.
So unless there are Roman Catholic surnames or music there is definitely a strong racist/ethnic element in the term when used to denigrate.
The, usually Masonic, Orange, Rangers people who use the phrase seem remarkably good at establishing the ethnicity of those they consider to be “fenians”.
Gers genealogists seem adept at attributing this title to those such as myself even though I was born in England and have long since went my own way from the Roman Catholic church.
The Rangers fans have been dishing out this sort of racist abuse in their thousands for as long as anyone can remember and the Scottish establishment have long turned a deaf ear to it.
That is until 2006 when after some 50 years of Rangers’ fans belting out their anthem “The Billy Boys” Uefa, after a match delegate’s report, said enough was enough, and fined Rangers and ordered Rangers to make announcements at all home games telling their fans to stop singing this song, which has the chorus “we’re up to our knees in fenian blood, surrender or you die for we are the Brigton Billy Boys”
This song is in honour of Billy Fullerton a Glasgow Rangers fan who was also the leader of a Bridgeton razor gang called the Billy Boys. Fullerton was also a leading light in the British Facist movement and set up a Glasgow chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.
I don’t think a word in itself is dangerous or should be banned and the word fenian is no different to nigger, which when used by black American comedians in describing self or brothers, cannot be said to be offensive. It’s all about context.
The context of the use of fenian in the Billy Boys is an encouragement to dehumanise Irish or Irish-descended RCs or those such as Celtic supporters who are perceived as belonging to this group. History teaches us that once we dehumanise a group in this way then violence or discrimination against the denigrated sub-species soon follows.
History also shows us that some will take the lyrics of the Billy Boys literally and attempt to emulate the razor slashing feats of Fullerton.
It took Stan Collymore a stranger to raise this issue again as the mainstream media in Scotland have once again reverted to pre-2006 type and turned a deaf ear to it.
Well done Stan and welcome to the fenian club as an honorary member.
Get it stopped Rangers fans, sing your Sash and Derry’s Walls or even a song about football if you have one, but leave the blood-wading out.
H.H.
Tbj,
Morning mate,
Tap on the shoulder time tomorrow for some in the work.
New shift patterns have been introduced for some of the staff and a change in working hours for others…the gestapo have landed.
Enjoy your holiday, ye lucky mhan. HH
Big Nan
Fenian….
“A member of a group of warriors always ready to defend Ireland against its enemies”
I had to laugh when you mentioned it’s always followed with an expletive, so true
Good morning friends and Happy Match Day from a damp, grey but pretty calm looking East Kilbride.
Here we go again, we’re on the road again…
big nan
07:50 on 22 February, 2015
Top of the morning to you all from a grey, still, but fair Fife.
Here’s hoping for a good game and the weather to hold for those hardy souls travelling to Hamilton.
What’s in a word? Here is my definition of the word fenian.
Minogue’s Urban Dictionary. Definition: Fenian
In my lifetime of experience the word “fenian” is normally preceded and followed by an expletive such as “dirty fenian bastard” or “fenian c**t”.
Again speaking from experience when directed towards me it wasn’t a reference to my affiliation to a political party from the 19th century. Rather it was a derogatory reference to my perceived ethnicity and religion.
I have come to these conclusions because of remarks aimed at me by bigots such as, “is that a fenian name?” in reference to my Irish surname, or “who put that fenian music on” if I had played a Pogues or Dubliners record on the juke-box in my local.
So unless there are Roman Catholic surnames or music there is definitely a strong racist/ethnic element in the term when used to denigrate.
The, usually Masonic, Orange, Rangers people who use the phrase seem remarkably good at establishing the ethnicity of those they consider to be “fenians”.
Gers genealogists seem adept at attributing this title to those such as myself even though I was born in England and have long since went my own way from the Roman Catholic church.
The Rangers fans have been dishing out this sort of racist abuse in their thousands for as long as anyone can remember and the Scottish establishment have long turned a deaf ear to it.
That is until 2006 when after some 50 years of Rangers’ fans belting out their anthem “The Billy Boys” Uefa, after a match delegate’s report, said enough was enough, and fined Rangers and ordered Rangers to make announcements at all home games telling their fans to stop singing this song, which has the chorus “we’re up to our knees in fenian blood, surrender or you die for we are the Brigton Billy Boys”
This song is in honour of Billy Fullerton a Glasgow Rangers fan who was also the leader of a Bridgeton razor gang called the Billy Boys. Fullerton was also a leading light in the British Facist movement and set up a Glasgow chapter of the Ku Klux Klan.
I don’t think a word in itself is dangerous or should be banned and the word fenian is no different to nigger, which when used by black American comedians in describing self or brothers, cannot be said to be offensive. It’s all about context.
The context of the use of fenian in the Billy Boys is an encouragement to dehumanise Irish or Irish-descended RCs or those such as Celtic supporters who are perceived as belonging to this group. History teaches us that once we dehumanise a group in this way then violence or discrimination against the denigrated sub-species soon follows.
History also shows us that some will take the lyrics of the Billy Boys literally and attempt to emulate the razor slashing feats of Fullerton.
It took Stan Collymore a stranger to raise this issue again as the mainstream media in Scotland have once again reverted to pre-2006 type and turned a deaf ear to it.
Well done Stan and welcome to the fenian club as an honorary member.
Get it stopped Rangers fans, sing your Sash and Derry’s Walls or even a song about football if you have one, but leave the blood-wading out.
H.H.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
THAT really is what we are up against, in a nutshell…..hang your head in shame, SMSM
jobo baldie
08:18 on 22 February, 2015
Good morning friends and Happy Match Day from a damp, grey but pretty calm looking East Kilbride.
Here we go again, we’re on the road again…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We’re on the road again, we’re on our way to Paradise (at 11am)
Big nan,
A good read, Fenian as you say can be used in many formats, I use it myself on here ” Fenian smirk”.
Yet, like yourself I come across it almost daily in a supposed jocular manner!
It’s not…it’s their way of telling you that you are inferior to thems.
If you read my post to tbj about pay offs in the work, I’ll open it up a bit….some in the work thought they were untouchable, due to their masonic connections, my god it hit them like a tonne of bricks to be told their job was in jeopardy (even more so, them thinking jeopardy is in Ireland) the shock on their faces was a joy…not that i want anyone to lose their job, it’s been done with no religious bias this time, due to it being done by outside powers.
The in fighting between them now is similar to throwing a rat in amongst a cage of terriers.HH
Naebody will ‘ever’ stop the huns song book……’ever’.
What flamed their song book?…….John Guidetti’s equaliser.
In the days when we played the huns….going back to when I 1st saw the o## f### games during the magnificent Mr Stein era…there seemed to be an acceptance by us Tims that,….yeah, the game will be bent to suit the hun hordes but….know what…we, under Mr Stein’s guidance took them on in the ‘only’ place were we would be able to put them straight….on the pitch.
Mr Stein LOVED nothing more than, sticking it right up the bassas.
Mr Stein’s Celtic teams made the hun horeds ‘bite’ to the extent that, theyd soon be roiting, invading the pitch to get the game stopped…..THAT’s how ye put them straight!
Never mind awe this ‘jessie-stuff’….moaning about songs…who ye gonnae moan to?….the hun establishment will just roll out some Lord Nimmo Scooby who’ll play the daftie and let them off the hook…again…ye must be daft if ye think otherwise.
The only reason I would have liked the huns in the same league as us would have been through the ahem….Hugh Keevins suggestion that…the huns be kept in the same league as Celtic with, a points deduction – until – the £140 million was paid back in full!
Just think of all those…skelpings / riots / skelpings / riots / DVD’s of the skelpings / riots / parading green & white bedecked trophy’s in front of the bassas….that would have done it for me…as well as them paying all the money back…instead…they faked their death and paid hee-haw back!
As for Hugh Keevins take on the Soldiers Song…he was fudging…so that awe the eejits would try to phone-in…he’s running doon the clock till he retires and, know what….when Hugh Keevins retires from SSB…SSB will die. SSB phone-in died when Terry O’Neill was banned…I’ve called it a few times…mainly to ‘big-up’ Murdo and make pleas for a return of the Jungle and, some of the stuff I spout on here about the ‘bored’…got cut-off one night when I said that…”Willie Collum had been hand-picked to ref the ne’erday game at CP – the Joe Ledley game – to do a job on Celtic and, for pointing out that Dallas wizny sacked by the SFA, his departure was fudged…so that he’d get a job at Uefa were he’s had an effect of refs who handle Celtic’s European games.”….that call was well fudged.
….oot.
Morning Bhoys from a calm and pleasant morning in West Lothian.
Can’t help but think the storm clouds are gathering over Edminston drive way though .
Bravo Stanley Victor.
Meeting a fine body of Bhoys & ghirls at 11 bells for the trip to Paradise.
Celtic deserve a big crowd.
40k at least
HH
Good Morning Cqn, heading up the M74, we’re on the road again Hail Hail
kevjungle
08:40 on 22 February, 2015
Can’t believe you’ve just posted a coherent, structured, meaningful statement …..there’s hope for you yet….hahahahahahahaha
malorbhoy
08:53 on 22 February, 2015
See you there, young MHAN…..slight exaggeration…:)
Gerryfaethebrig
“hope you didn’t think I was being cheeky”
Not in the slightest my friend,
Have dropped Lennybhoy a text for you, though he may be en route tae mass in the Whifflet.
Catch you at CQN11
Might a touch tight for time @ the Corner today.
Dropping my horse loving, Fitba hating daughter at my sister’s in Paisley @12.
Don’t any of yous be nicking my share of dena’s hugs!
HH jamesgang
From Twitter – Guidetti being offered £60k a week by Marseille.
Morning all.
Wind and rain have moved in with a vengance in the last hour. Looks set for the day. Could be pretty dismal at Celtic Park today.
My only concern is who do we rest before we play in Milan. I would start young Henderson, resting Armstrong and maybe Biton, giving Commons a game. Maybe Fisher for Mathews. (I thought he and Bitton were our best players on Thursday.)
Can’t be there but hope we get the three points. That’s all that matters to me today. That and no injuries.
67 HEAVEN
Bitch(lol)
Gerryfaethebrig
Sadly like all the best TV game shows we have to accept for 1st answer.
So congratulations you’re now the proud new owner of a table for 88 for cqn11!!!!!
HH jamesgang
Just watched Match of the Day. We think our refs are poor. What about the referee at Chelsea v Burnley?
I believe a lot of English referees have an ingrained bias against foreign players in that they assume they are diving every time they are brought down.
No wonder Jose is going ballistic.
https://twitter.com/celticnewsnow/status/569420739817951233
Jamesgang
I would be delighted to take ownership of table 88, just wish Gary Hooper would come back and claim his 88 jersey, although he might not get a game ahead of Griff & Guidetti at the moment
malorbhoy
09:06 on 22 February, 2015
Hahahahahaha…
‘neath the shade of the foggy dew….
gerryfaethebrig
Was a table for 88 – pure hunners of folk at your stag do I meant!
;-)
HH jamesgang
Leaving for Paradise at 10am.
I don’t like all this talk of resting players for Thursday.
The League is our priority. Unless a player is carrying a knock, he should be on the park from the start.
By all means rest players second half if we are 2 or 3 up but the likes of Armstrong and GMS need as much game time as possible to fit into our system.
4-0 Celtic.
Kev J
when Hugh Keevins retires from SSB…SSB will die. SSB phone-in died when Terry O’Neill was banned
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Eh? Dying twice?
How does that one work?
Aff oot tae support ma team, enjoy yer day listening tae yer boyfriends oan the radio.
tom mclaughlin
09:19 on 22 February, 2015
Correct…..remember what happened the last time we rested players….
Tom McG
Don’t forget yer flower & book:-)
Can anyone point me in the direction of all the pat nevin articles offering unwavering support to Stan Collymore.
Maybe my internet connection is dodgy, but I can’t find a single article of support from him.
pat is normally very outspoken on this subject and calls it out whenever it rears it’s ugly head so I’m sure it must be out there somewhere.
Pedrocaravanachino67 perhaps SSB is like Sevco/Rangers, they never died apparently!!!! Hail Hail Hebcelt
Very sad in 2015 we are still discussing the bully boys. It’s far too ingrained yet in the young to die out in this generation but I have hope’s that they will evolve one day.
Hail Hail and looking forward to today.
KLV
Off to get the bus 3-0 today
Biggest game of the season today,
Just win Celtic
67heaven good morning my friend hope you,ve got over you raucous birthday celebrations. A pal of mine will be in my seat with his young bhoy today I wonder if you could say hello th them wee ghuys first time at CP. His name is Harris dad is Derek.thanks if you can, be back next month. Hail Hail Hebcelt.
Was out for the ole groceries there and I can confirm that it’s pretty Baltic in EK where the sleet has been falling for the last half an hour or so. Long johns, several layers and Big Coats could be the order of the day.
hamiltontim
23:46 on 21 February, 2015
Exactly, we have enemies queuing at our door, and we have petty squables over very little, United We Stand.HH
neillybhoy
03:47 on 22 February, 2015
I’ve been trying to find these goals for ages, two of my favs and both past Goram
Enjoy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ufwngjCYy0
The Fulton semi-final
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yjkDqIi7Ff0
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Great post, I really enjoyed those.
Was at both games. Had a great view of Big Micks goal in the Semi and can still replay it (in slow motion) in my mind to this day.
Super Joes in the league was one I’d forgotten about and your post brought back some great memories. What a strike.
cv
Wul ren, ih!
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RepetitiveJingle tries a noo tack………….?
Skotch an’ Wry CSC