So how about this scenario, Celtic Youths are trailing in their league with 10 games to go when they register three new players, but someone’s ‘at it’. The players are all over-age but the date of birth on their registration forms have been incorrectly completed, so the players are registered and become eligible to play the remaining games. Celtic Youths win their remaining games and win the league.
At the end of the season the deception is uncovered. The people responsible for filling the forms out incorrectly are criticised but one is president of the Scottish Football Association, who give evidence to an inquiry that as the Association registered the players, the results must stand.
Time to “draw a line under it” is the line from the SFA chief executive, hoping with all his might that no one mentions the Scottish Youth Cup games the players also played in, which would invoke a parallel punishment to the one recently imposed on Spartans Youths for exactly the same offence in the same competition. The chief exec also dismisses attempts to call those criticised by the inquiry to account as scapegoating.
Ridiculous? Of course, but this is what we’ve just experienced, with another club, of course.
Challenging the verdict, if possible, is a worthwhile endeavour but it will only treat one symptom of the many issues facing Scottish Premier League clubs, who could be forgiven for losing the will to compete within the rules. Fans of several SPL clubs now believe their best interests are served by playing in an environment beyond Scotland – for a whole range of reasons.
We have to work with fans of other clubs to make the case for the SPL, as a unit, to leave Scottish football (I see cross-club initiatives are already underway).
On a completely unrelated question, if you had £21m in the bank late last year, and you were burning cash at £1m per month, which year would you run out of money?
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Tbb,
A vote of no confidence in the football authorities is what’s required followed by an investigation into the failure of one of the largest clubs in the country and the actions of the authorities thereafter. This cannot be fulfilled whilst the current incumbents are in place.
Come on Celtic!
Release a statement with REAL intent from which our supporters organisations can utilise as a platform to galvanise our support and show corrupt SFA what we think!
What the hell do we care?? – A LOT!
stretching credibility here but stay with me…
Whose accounts were published yesterday? The holding company’s or the club’s?
Why is that an important question?
lets look at Celtic or in fact any other SPL club… Everyone, bar 500 mill global fans, accept that a club and its company are one and the same so when Celtic PLC post accounts they are doing so on behalf of the club; one set of income against one set of expenditure = profit or loss…. Accountancy for dummies!
These accounts are assessed by the financial markets for probity and the SPL/SFA for licensing purposes… With me?
So… whose accounts were published yesterday?
The MSM, Rangers supporters, the SFA and the SPL defend, staunchly, that club and company are separate entities hence liquidation of oldco and continuation of club… Still with me?
The “Whose accounts were published yesterday” becomes a VERY important question now.
if it were the holding company when does the football club release accounts to the SFA and SFL? And what figures will IT be using to produce accounts?
Moreover should the holding company only show accounts pertaining to the OPERATING of the football club i.e. Ticket income, merchandising, hospitality, tv, sponsorship and company expenses, matchday expenses. Whereas the CLUB holds all the costs borne from player registration i.e. Wages, bonuses etc and very little in the way of income (because ALL the income has been claimed by the COMPANY)
Lastly, the rules tell us that players MUST derive ALL income from the CLUB and NOT from ANY OTHER PARTY…
We are constantly told that RIFC are the COMPANY and The Rangers are the club and both are separate and distinct… If that’s the case… Are the players not being paid by a THIRD PARTY?
Portsmouth tried to argue it was their holding company that was being liquidated not them so points deductions should not apply… We know the FAs response to that…
… and then there was the curious case if Carlos Teves? And we all know what happened there!
Some folk on here at times come away with something like – “…it’ll take the huns 10 years to catch up with us !”
Oh, yeah ?
The stadium at the last game was – half empty / half full !!!
With the sprinkling of the – just been shafted feeling kicking-in…what size of crowd then ?
Before fholk start looking out the violins for poor old Celtic – naaaaahhhh. None of that.
The huns were on the rocks when PM QC(RIP) was on their case. imo
Why have the board / bored not kept up witht he game and, replaced the QC with, another one ? FMM !!!
Since the sad passing of PM QC…the huns have virtually – kicked the lid off their coffin.imo
It’s sad to see and, you know what….I have been waiting for all this – nuclear stuff – to drop on the huns…..where is it ?
The huns will be back in the same league as us before we know it and…because of the
erse-dragging nature of oor hierarchy…we’ll get turned over !!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!
HHHHHHHhhhhoooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwllllllllll etc….
tomtheleedstim
08:34 on 5 March, 2013
Googybhoy – we are staying overnight in Blackburn on the Friday.
Send me the details. Will come and wave you off on Saturday morning.
CRC gave you my details I think.
What are the CST , CSA views on the current situation in Scottish football ?
Are Sevco going to be treated as a NEW club , if not why not . Where’s the precedent for a club going into liquidation but continuing as if nothing happened except dumping of the debt.
The Club is the Company and the company is the Club , one cannot exist without the other .
My question for today is this , If the situation stays as it is ( no appeal ) , Sevco are allowed to continue as if they are the club formed in 1872 but without the debt and the Celtic Board do not object to all of this . Where does that leave US the fans ?
HH
“Football without the fans is nothing,” Jock Stein famously said, it was the fans who were the game-changer in the summer when the zombie huns were trying to get into the leagues, it looks like it will be up to the fans again to sort out this sorry mess and change the face of Scottish football once and for all. It is time to rid ourselves of these corrupt administrators who look after the interests of ONE team and ONE team only. Time to clear out these knuckle-crunching palm ticklers, the days of goat fiddling are over! Viva la Revolución.
http://www.splfansunited.com
Ps it is a beautiful, sunny day here in Nordrhein Westfalen, a good day to start a Revolution, revolt if you find the zombie huns revolting.
Hail! Hail! PMTYH
I am sure I am like many other guys on here, I am
having a real battle with the will I go or not re the
Hampdump semi final, the thing is I will have to book
a holiday to get the day off, and before their demise
subsequent return and then LNS decision this would
have been a no brainer for me.
But now I have a feeling that by going I would be giving
the SFA the green light to continue their corrupt behaviour
but I also agree with previous posters, that if I do not go
then the glory hunters and medal chasers will, and the SFA
will smile and give themselves a slap on the back or a funny handshake.
And I really hate feeling that they are getting the better of me/us
makes me sick as do the glory hunters.
WHATTODO
HH
FourGreenFields
08:57 on 5 March, 2013
My question for today is this , If the situation stays as it is ( no appeal ) , Sevco are allowed to continue as if they are the club formed in 1872 but without the debt and the Celtic Board do not object to all of this . Where does that leave US the fans ?
HH
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It leaves the fans exactly where Fergus left us – 19 years ago yesterday – Brian Dempsey stood on the steps of Celtic Park and said – “The Game Is Over – the Rebels Have won!”
Now…Fergus has been praised since forever on here but…how many Rebels made it onto the board and, how long did they last until…they found themselves on the outside – looking in ?
You see…the hierarchy will tell us on one hand – Your the best fans in the world !
But…on the other hand they ask for yer money then – close the door in your face !
What is the difference between – the old board and the new board ? Hmmm
HH
paddysmarket
09:05 on
5 March, 2013
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Buy some Celtic merchandise from the Superstore website and watch the game on the telly. That way you’ll be financing Celtic and seeing the game, in comfort may I add.
Paddysmarket
09:05 on
5 March, 2013
w things that I can do am sure I am like many other guys on here, I am
having a real battle with the will I go or not re the
Hampdump semi final…
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As things stand, non-attendance at Hampden is a certainty.
It is one of the few things that I can do to influence my club and the football authorities.
Paddysmarket
09:05 on 5 March, 2013
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What to do ?
Stay strong – keep yer money in yer pocket – gie it to yer kids – council yer self by saying “I refuse to be shafted by the secret handshakers !”
You MUST see it through. imo
I just wish we had a present day – Matt McGlone / Brian Demsey to capture the hearts and minds of the support. It’ll be difficult without those types but, who knows…maybe a new hero will emerge for us.
HH
Juventus news ——
Torino radio pundit said —-
” From what I’ve seen on the training pitch -this is the team —”
3-5 -2.
Buffon
Barzagli Marrone Bonucci
Isla Pirlo Pogba Giaccherini Asamoah
Quagliarella Matri.
Some quotes —-[ from Pirlo }
” To go out would be a famous disaster ”
” we have to be realistic, we are not favorites for the Champions League– the most important thing we can do is to focus on Celtic and then see what the draw brings “.
The Ref is Turkish [ Aydinus ]
What to do? What to do? What to do?
My Club have done nothing wrong and neither have most Clubs in Scotland. Yet, I am in a situation whereby I don`t know whether to continue with my support because a big Club cheated and their supporters at the top of the game in Scotland refused to punish them.
What to do? What to do? What to do?
JJ
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles
09:09 on
5 March, 2013
Being going to see the Bhoys for 50 years it is like
an addiction, it is something that I do not think I can
give up, my head is telling me one thing,and my heart
and soul another, and I am not sure that my brothers
nephew and friends will be so forgiven if I give up to
that cabal at Hampdump ,although I totally agree with
you that where ever I watched it from would be far more
comfortable than that dive.
HH
KevJungle
Before you zoom on to tell me to withdraw my support of Celtic because the Board are all cowards. Don`t. Your “solution” is ill considered.
JJ
iki
09:13 on
5 March, 2013
I agree. If you catch a thief breaking into your house you a) hand them your keys. Or
b) reach for the baseball bat
South Of Tunis
09:16 on 5 March, 2013
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I’ve been nursing this feeling since the 1st leg but…..I still think we’ll go through !!!
I can’t explain the feeling – can’t shake it – keeps coming back at me that
We’re going through !!!
No howling at the moon stuff !!!
THIS….is serious !!!
Only Celtic can capture me this way.
It’s that thing that they do to ye. ye know !
Not wanting to tempt fate so – Off oot
Jungle Jim
09:24 on 5 March, 2013
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Before ye start kicking me up n doon the Jungle…
…I didn’t / don’t propose any solution…but, what
I’m alluding to is – individually based.
That is all.
Keep the heid :o)))
HH
AH JUST FEEL EMPTY … And scunnered !
Anyone got wee fergus’s mobile ???
….. This ” boil” of a league needs lancing …. And he is the kinda guy who could do it
CmonthebunnetCSC
JJ
Per my post earlier, the way this is heading is appalling. On this board and elsewhere the question being asked is.. “What’s the point?”
Fact is the SFA is the clubs in Scotland acting collectively. If the clubs collectively are satisfied with the way the Game is being Governed, then Ogilvie will be re-elected unopposed for a 2nd term as President.
If there is dissent, that will give you an idea of what the Game at large thinks of it all.
While Celtic and all the other clubs that were impacted by Rangers’ disgrace cannot come out shooting targets left and right, they can at least ensure that the growing distance separating fans from the Game generally is reflected in how they go about re-ordering the SFA.
Or not.
Typing on the phones bhoys and ghirls so will keep it short. Put simply the situation re sevco, lns, league re construction and ultimately who runs football in scotland can only be addressed by the following. Numbers are the key, first decide what you want and more importantly what we don’t. Put these decisions up as a statement of intent ( not a means for debate). Ask people of all clubs to support this stance. Make it quite clear to the authorities that given action will take place should the demands not be met. The actions have to hurt the opposition ( and trust me they the sfa and spl are opposition).
The best way it would appear to hurt said bheast is via money this is what they covet not sport or anything else.
With this in mind the actions need to be vocal consistent and powerful , the powers need to see and know that the consequences of in action will be too much to bare.
I am not saying this is easy but other than resortimg to violence it is the only way to beat an enemy.
Pogmathonyahun aka Laird of the Smiles
09:00 on 5 March, 2013
Great sunny day in Saarland too. A round of golf beckons!
HH
I know there are many supporters of many clubs who are ready to walk away from football after the sevco charade.
Knowing the only person who will lose out is your own club makes this a painful decision.
An easy and fairly simple way to make a point would be if supporters of all clubs boycott the written and broadcast media. After all these guys played no small part in the great sevco lie.
Cancel sky, espn, dont call or listen to phone ins, dont buy a paper of any sort. Leave sevconians and the msm to continue their in house chatter.
Personally I have done all the above some time ago so my decision is to renew or not renew. Thats my big question.
JungleJim @9.24 sorry to jump In on your post but an “ill considered “solution isnt necessarily incorrect just ill considered,
whats your considered opinion on what we as fans should do?( serious question )
HH
MHARK67
09:30 on 5 March, 2013
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I know what yer saying M8 but
Fergus might have been the man – 20 years ago
Too old I think now. I don’t know of his health or
anything but…going for Fergus…what does that
say about the current ahem, ‘custodians’ ?
HH
KevJungle – It’ll take Hampden Riot-2 to put orcs in their place
We’re not in the same situation as we were then Kev…
Those men stepped forward because the club was going to die, the times we are in now need a different response and it will come from the fans, ask not what your club can do for you Kev but what can you do for your club..
The fans are the heroes..
Bheast = shocking mistake sorry about that. :-X
Anyone know …..Did charlie mulgrew travel with the squad today?
Think we will really need him tomorrow night.
Kev
My heisd is well and truly kept 0:-) (and your 9:24 post is made of the right stuff!
TBB
The trouble is , as I am sure you know, not just Ogilvie but the whole organisation. Throughout my lifetime, it has been dominated by “Rangers men” and their demise is demise in word only. In reality, nothing has REALLY changed.
I know the reincarnation is in the lowest League but the Fans` revolution which made that happen will be made more difficult to succeed again.
I don`t know the answer but I do know that, in the end, whatever course of action I take will be in response to my true feelings and not to make a point.
If massive changes do not take place at the top of our game, then I would imagine I wouldn`t have the enthusiasm to continue going to games. If that is to be the outcome, them I would gradually become used to it have a normal life without football. There ARE other options!
JJ
Hard lines onDundee Utd. Drawn against them then us.
And boycotted both times!
Tough,let’s do it….
Morning bhoys from a damp, but as ever hun free mountain valley.
The powers that be have given everyone a choice.
Accept it, or walk away.
That is it, there is no inbetween.
HH
The Battered Bunnet
09:31 on 5 March, 2013
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The way I see this is that – the establishment have put the ball in oor court !!!
Now…the board have already shown that they can’t / won’t fight Celtic’s corner.
That, for me is quite clear. So…it will be left for the Celtic support to either
– jump into bed with the board / establishment – or throw a spanner into the works
of – both the board / establishment !!! imo
Cutting a long story short…I’ve been a long time critic of this board. What’s happening just now is a, clear demonstration of the type of beast who resides in the CP board room.
I say that – Celtic fans should continue to support the team till this season is over.
Then, get all the hearts and minds of the support together and propose that the board, represent the fans motion of a move to – remove Campbell Ogolvie. For starters….gauge the mood of all concerned at that time. If, as I expect…the board don’t want to be involved then…propose a – No ST’s to be bought until there are change’s on the board !!!
If the fans show weakness – they’ll be shafted !!! imo
We have to be cruel to be kind.
HH
Ogolvie=Ogilvie
typo sorry
Blame it on the schools :o))
Top of the morning to you all from Fife where the sun is shining in a cloudless blue sky.
I am disgusted by the apparent acquiescence of our board in accepting the Nimmo Smith decision.
The let’s move on even though the decision stinks mantra would have seen the Birmingham 6 stay in jail.
The appeal process is there for this very reason. Sevco were not slow to use it successfully with Lord Glennie.
It seems as if our board only act tough with our own fans.
Sadly Celtic FC will be the ones to suffer by our craven acceptance of the corrupt SFA registration system and Nimmo’s interpretation of it.
We had the ball at our feet and gave it away and God help us in future because the Masons at Hampden know they can get away with anything.
RCO may present us with the Scottish Cup at Hampden with a big smile on his face but there will be many like me who won’t be there to see it and that is Celtic’s loss.
Starry, has that fog cleared from the valley yet? 6′ C here at the moment going up to a high of 13′ C almost equatorial ;-)
Bhoys, looking for some help….
Off to London at the weekend with Mrs K and some fellow Tims and their spouses, staying in Mayfair and looking for somewhere to watch the game. I notice it is a 3pm ko, any suggestions?
dena 29
““ill considered “solution isnt necessarily incorrect just ill considered,`”
Not sure why it would be “ill considered” if it were correct!
Anyway, I think my 9.43 post shows that I don`t know what we can do. I believe what needs to be done is for Rangers personel in High Office to be removed but I haven`t got a clue how to achieve that.
Of course, united action would have an affect but how to organise?
Anyway, I have to go out and do a bit of training for the Wee Oscar ride before the rainy weather arrives on Thursday.
Cheerio, all and I sincerely hope we, at least, can organise a united front.
JJ