Football clubs tie themselves in knots sometimes. Newco Rangers fired off with an incorrect rant on the same club/new club debate yesterday, only to be told to withdraw it a couple of hours later – which they promptly did. Dundee United signed Charlie Telfer on a free contract and were due to pay Training Compensation to his previous club, for the player’s development from when he was 13-years-old.
Football operates a Training Compensation system whereby clubs signing players up to 23-years-old have to make a payment for the development of the player since they were 13. The payment is made in its entirety to the club which previously held the player’s registration. The receiving club is then obliged to pay any previous clubs for their portion of the player’s development.
Dundee United contested the rate at which they had to pay for Charlie Telfer, incorrectly, as it turned out. They did not contest that they were due to pay the entirety of Telfer’s development to the preceding club. No mechanism exists to forgive Training Compensation obligations in the event a preceding club no longer exist. Any monies due remain payable, ultimately to the club’s creditors.
Those at Newco who fired off the statement in haste yesterday will now consider that they have collected payment for services fulfilled by oldco. It is up to Rangers’ liquidators, BDO, to recover their portion of the money from Dundee United on behalf of creditors.
A condition which Newco signed up to, to gain membership of the SFA, was that they become responsible for all Rangers’ football financial obligations. This includes paying down Training Compensation, as well as the still-uncollected £250k fine levied by the Nimmo Smith Inquiry.
That £250k fine has become something of a football ‘football’. It is a football debt due to the SPL, which has since folded its liabilities and obligations onto the SPFL. The SPL was not in a position to enforce payment as newco never played top flight football, so the matter was parked until it became actionable. I don’t know the current position of the Nimmo Smith £250k debt but faux bravado can only encourage others to ask the question, “Where’s our £250k?”
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So I’m dreaming last night and we’re playing deadco in a cup game. There’s 86 mins on the clock when Ronnie Glavin slips a ball through to Naka. He beats 3 stooges and knocks the ball into the net. 2.0?
You’d think so….but the MIb decides it went past the post and awards a by kick. What struck me as odd in this particular dream of mine is that there wasn’t a murmur from the Celtic fans surrounding me.
Conclusion? Are we conditioned even in noddy land to let SFA appointed refs cheat us?
I’m going to write a strongly worded letter to the SFA demanding an answer when I fall asleep tonight. I’ll post any reply I receive from the SFA on CQN dream blog, possibly between the hours of 12am to 6am
so best to login during your sleep to get an update.
Sanity Clause to visit Govan!
…………… according to ‘Jingle’ Jackson.
“Ha ha!! There aint no Sanity Clause!”
marxbrothersCSC
Good morning CQNers,
The captaincy has been passed around quite a bit so far this season, tonight I hope Johansen is given the armband.
I’d also like to see him given the role at the bottom of a midfield diamond to protect the defence and, together with VVD, prompt forward movement around them.
Also looking forward to an accomplished win tonight and maintaining that cherished momentum.
Hail Hail.
Good Morning fholks,
Does anyone know the exact dates for the training camp in Gran Canaria in January? I have some holiday time booked from 12 Jan and am trying to decide between skiing and some sun (inclining towards the latter)! I have emailed JPT twice but no reply received to date. Thanks in advance for info.
Sounds like I made a good decision to miss the kebab with An Tearmann and ACGR…!!
HH
I’ll say this until it happens….
The only way that Scottish football will be saved / restructured is if, the Celtic supporters / sheep – finally realise that they are being ‘played’ by the clubs ‘bored’ of directors who are spinning all the stalling tactics ie: Resolution 12 – 5 Way Agreement. Both these ventures are ‘void’ coz, they are being participated in by a ‘collusive’ Celtic ‘bored’ who are well aware that the O## Firm ticket is the ‘only’ show in their town.
The ‘collusive’ Celtic ‘bored’ sat back and watched….
Neil Lennon pick up the tab for the ‘shame game’ nonsense.
LNS being conveniently ‘duped’ – afraid to make the right call coz of civil unrest.
Rangers FC ‘fake’ their death to escape paying – £140 million in tax.
Rangers FC get away with ‘stealing’ 22 trophies out of Scottish football.
Oh, I almost forgot…they ‘helped’ create the OBA – to criminalise Celtic supporters.
The ‘collusive’ Celtic ‘bored’ are culpable for all of the above.
But, know the worst bit in the ‘whole’ scenario?
Celtic supporters still vote this ‘culpable / collusive bored’ into office.
YOU……are digging yer own graves – fools.
Sheep arent fools but….YOU are.
The establishment used to look upon us as the Irish dullards.
Maybe it’s gone full circle now, eh?
Dear, dear, dear…Off oot, bye
murdochbhoy
I’m still not a fan of Johansen (or Ronny’s ‘system’) but can’t deny he’s played better than most in our away European games.
HH
KevJungle – Walk-on in the Jungle is magic, just magic
See your points but idiot Celtic fans criminalise themselves by acting like numpties, agreed there are always exceptions but the idiots stick out like a sore thumb.
Kevj..,
Res 12 is not under the control of the “bored” they will be copied in on future correspondence with the authorities.
kevjungle.
LNS wasnt ” duped” He was given a seat with a very restricted view and then asked to report on what he could see.
Morning all.
Tried to post a wee while ago. Got lost in cyberspace for some reason.
It’s a dark day for Scotland in more ways than one. For a start, the wind and rain are still at full throttle. I doubt if we will have any ferries running down here. I gather we are in for snow shortly.
Darker still for Scotland. There was a chappie on Radio 4 earlier contending that he has been commissioned to investigate the closing down of the North Sea oil workings, as they cannot work at any throttle with the cost of a barrel of oil as it is just now, he claims it is unlikely to rise in the foreseeable future.
SoT
Agreed
The real villains in the piece are Ogilvie and Bryson
Few seem to appreciate that a decision can only be made on the facts provided
LNS will have assumed that those witnesses from the SFA would give their evidence openly and truthfully …hmmmmm
Have they ceased and desisted?
Robert88
The OB act is an affront to any idea of justice
It’s not acceptable in any form….unless you work for FOCUS or you are a Hun …
Murdochbhoy
Johansen is a moderate midfielder and IMO certainly not a defensive midfielder
He has improved greatly since being moved upfield to support the striker
Picked up the ShortList (free publication) at Lothian Road on my way into work this morning.
Xavi picks his all time British XI.
Fraser Forster in goals
Barcelona have met Celtic 4 times in recent seasons, and every time Forster put in an incredible performance. In the games we’ve played, he’s made some of the best saves I have ever seen.
Full XI
Forster
Ferdinand
Campbell
Terry
Giggs
Scholes
Gascoigne
Lampard
Gerrard
Walcott
Rooney
LB
PFayr..,
I think there have been more huns successfully prosecuted by the OBA than tims, no ?
Canamalar
Perhaps …but for offences that would have been prosecuted under existing legislation prior to the OB Act being introduced ….therefore their prosecutions are irrelevant when considering the OB Act
pfayr..,
Fair comment, but weren’t most of ours the same ?
Apologies if this has been posted previously.
https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=charlie%20nicholas%20sitting%20there%20thinking
I watch him and Jeff every Saturday, and never noticed it before!!
HH
Canamalar
Most of the failed prosecutions under the OB act have been CFC fans harassed by FOCUS
Those who would have been prosecuted under existing pre OB act legislation are irrelevant when considering the efficacy of the OB act
Existing legislation together with the common law BoP was far reaching and more than sufficient
“Impeach Grimmond McCrummoch!”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30219849
Never seen this article when it was first put up not sure if it has been shared here previously.
“The first two people in behind us were John Greig and Ally McCoist,” McAnespie said. “They gave us cases of Rangers label champagne. I grabbed two bottles and went straight to the front entrance, still in my kit and boots, and my family were standing right there. I handed my dad the bottles and gave them a hug and got dragged back in by the security.
Ah Swally ya cheeky wee chappy.
LB
*this is where Stephen McAnespie now ply’s his trade:
Brother Martin High School is an all-male, Catholic, college preparatory school located in New Orleans, Louisiana, United States operated by the Brothers of the Sacred Heart. It was established in 1869 by the Brothers of the Sacred Heart, establishing the school as St. Aloysius College. It is located in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans.
Murdoch
That would be a waste of johanson
Biton on the other hand is ideal for that role
IMHO of course. ….
Amazing how many different views there are out there about players/teams
Also part of LiviBhoy’s article:
In the dressing-room, the players also found a bag of studs that were right for the surface, left by the Rangers kit man.
effin weasel even back then.
The FA don’t mess about.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/10/hereford-united-suspended-fa-football
Hereford United have been suspended from all football with immediate effect, the Football Association said in a statement.
Hereford were expelled from the Conference in June over their unpaid debts and have been playing in the Southern Premier League while the local council has begun repossession proceedings for the club’s Edgar Street ground.
The club’s majority shareholder, Alan McCarthy, had been charged with acting as an officer of Hereford United without written confirmation from the FA to do so.
The FA’s statement said: “Having failed to comply with the orders of the Independent Regulatory Commission, both Hereford United and Alan McCarthy are suspended from all football and football activity with immediate effect.
“The club and Mr McCarthy, officer of Hereford United FC, were ordered to fully and correctly comply with their obligations under the owners’ and directors’ test regulations by 4pm on Thursday 4 December 2014.
“Following consideration of a document submitted by the club, the Independent Regulatory Commission gave the parties until 4pm on Monday 8 December 2014 to submit further documentation to satisfy the orders of the commission.
“Having failed to provide the requested further documentation by the deadline, both Hereford United and Mr McCarthy shall remain suspended until such time as the order of the Independent Regulatory Commission has been complied with to the satisfaction of the commission.
“The FA understands the importance of football clubs to their local communities and will continue to work with all relevant parties to ensure senior football returns to Hereford at the earliest opportunity, although this will be contingent on the club complying with the regulations and subsequent orders of the Independent Regulatory Commission.”
BBC Hereford & Worcester reported on Wednesday that the club have a new owner, with the chairman Andy Lonsdale having taken over as the majority shareholder at Edgar Street after the previous owners Alpha Choice Finance transferred their majority shareholding to him.
It says the club is expected in court next Monday to contest a winding-up order.
LB
Tom McLaughlin
02:32 on 11 December, 2014
That pattern of behaviour, (the ready, glib charm), is exactly what one would expect from a sociopath or psycopath.
Not suggesting that Coisty is either, just that your experience of him is no proof that he’s a good guy.
Just read this in the Evening Times online edition (I know, I know). It doesn’t say who wrote it but it has the hallmark of BFDJ all over it. Talking about the Charlie Telfer affair, he manages to drag Celtic into the relationship between Sevco and Stephen Thompson of Dundee Utd and then goes on to tell Scottish clubs that they would do well to mind their own business and leave poor old Sevco -“the most hated club in Scotland”- alone. BOO HOO HOO. Pass the Kleenex.
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Rangers were sold short by SPFL tribunal over Charlie Telfer transfer fiasco
RANGERS signed Charlie Telfer when he was just a boy and nurtured him for 10 years after that.
Thursday 11/12/2014
So I think £204,000 is a perfectly reasonable amount of money for Dundee United to pay for his services.
Yes, I accept that Telfer only featured in one first team game for the Ibrox club – as a substitute against Stenhousemuir last season.
But the 19-year-old is an excellent prospect and has done well at United where he has forced his way into Jackie McNamara’s team.
The young midfielder was named SPFL Young Player of the Month for November this week.
The fee agreed upon is not an awful lot of money to pay for an individual with huge potential like that.
Stephen Thompson has, surprise, surprise, reacted with fury to the decision of the SPFL tribunal.
But the United chairman has always got something to moan about – especially when it has anything to do with Rangers.
There is no doubt in my mind he was pandering to United fans with his comments. And not for the first time either.
Thompson certainly hasn’t had anything quite as bad to say about the club on the other side of Glasgow over the years.
He has a real bee in bonnet about Rangers for some reason.
I think that he, and many others in the Scottish game, would be far better off minding their own business and concentrating on their own club.
Rangers are the most hated club in Scotland. Nobody likes them and everyone has enjoyed giving them a kicking while they have been down.
When the future of Rangers was being deliberated two years ago Thompson and the United fans were among the most vocal about what should happen.
But Rangers supporters have good memories. They can recall which clubs were against them and which clubs wanted them to do them down.
It will be interesting to see how they respond when the Ibrox club finally gets back into the SPFL Premiership.
These clubs get huge increases in income, from corporate hospitality and ticket sales in general, whenever Rangers come to play.
Their coffers are swelled by tens of thousands of pounds whenever Ally McCoist’s side roll into town.
I am sure a few travelling supporters will say: “Do I really want to give my money to this club after what they did and said? Stuff them!”
Anyway, the fee for Telfer has nothing whatsoever to do with Rangers. It was decided by a tribunal.
The Tannadice club had initially offered £60,000 for the player. Then they upped that to £100,000.
Rangers wanted £300,000. So the fee that was agreed was a reasonable compromise.
To say, as Thompson has, that it sets a worrying precedent and could restrict movement of young players between clubs is wide of the mark too.
If Telfer develops on Tayside they will be able to sell him for a far greater transfer fee in the future.
Charlie is a certainly good young player.
He was unhappy that he wasn’t featuring in the first team at Rangers and chose to move on.
But the manager was seeing him in training on a daily basis. If he was doing well enough then surely he would have been given a run.
Anyway, young players leave clubs and go on and prove themselves elsewhere all the time in football.
It even happened to Ally McCoist. He was told he wasn’t good enough and was shown the door by St. Mirren as a kid when Alex Ferguson was manager.
Anyway, Rangers offered Telfer a new contract in the summer and he decided to turn it down.
To say, as many have, that Rangers don’t give young players a chance is just nonsense. Look at the players they have blooded in the last couple of years.
Sure, only Lewis Macleod and Fraser Aird are currently playing on a regular basis in the first team.
But there are others who are out on loan, not least Callum Gallagher and Barrie McKay, who are more than good enough to feature in the future.
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were brought back to Ibrox for the second half of the season.
These players have shown what they are capable of when they have been given the nod by McCoist in the past and can do so once again.
TOSB, the article you posted from the ET smacks of typical hunnishness, especially this bit:
“But Rangers supporters have good memories. They can recall which clubs were against them and which clubs wanted them to do them down”.
That could have been lifted directly from the pages of follow follow or hunmedia where they regularly describe what they will bring to fans of all other clubs if their club reaches the SPFL for the first time. Alhough, ourselves and DUFC are normally singled out for “special” attention:-)
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
09:33 on 11 December, 2014
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Most hated club in Scotland? Bit dramatic, n’est-ce pas?
Anyway I’m sure their 500 million worldwide fanbase won’t worry about that as they follow, with keen anticipation “The Journey”!
A Ceiler Gonof Rust
Charlie Telfer was that good he got one sub appearance. He is now flourishing at United. I really hope he is the next big departure from Dundee United for a fee in the millions.
LB
A Ceiler Gonof Rust
09:43 on 11 December, 2014
TOSB, the article you posted from the ET smacks of typical hunnishness, especially this bit:
“But Rangers supporters have good memories. They can recall which clubs were against them and which clubs wanted them to do them down”.
That could have been lifted directly from the pages of follow follow or hunmedia where they regularly describe what they will bring to fans of all other clubs if their club reaches the SPFL for the first time.
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So true. Wonder who writes for the Evening Times these days? Wonder if they have a tinfoil hat?
ACGR
I agree. They always make these veiled references to their ‘long memories’. Maybe that’s why BFDJ looks like an elephant. I don’t think they’ll be coming back to the SPFL Premiership any time soon though. It’s a pity that we won’t be able to benefit from their largesse. After all it must amount to Jillions of ££££££££s.
Here’s a thought: why don’t the Sevco fans with the long memories and fat wallets plough their £Jillions into their own club and solve all their problems.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy,
It says so much about this country that an article that bad is ever published. One sided nonsense. Threats to other clubs. Factual inaccuracies. This is a bitter rant, not a piece of journalism.
And long memories? Fans of a two year old club??
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon
09:56 on 11 December, 2014
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy,
And long memories? Fans of a two year old club??
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LOL! Belter!
natknow
Yes, their sympathisers complain about them being ‘the most hated club in Scotland’ while the Sevco hordes proudly sing, “No one likes us, we don’t care.”
‘In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were brought back to Ibrox for the second half of the season’.
Aye, not because of their supposed talent but because they’ve had to get rid of first team players to pay Ashley