If/when minds at Celtic get around to considering a replacement for Alan Thompson it would also be wise to recognise the international nature of the game. Lennon, Mjallby, Parker and Thompson were all football sons of Martin O’Neill, rooted in the domestic tradition of the game (even the Swede).
Football philosophy drifts slowly between national boundaries carried by successful coaches and players. Right now the ambitious teams in the world are trying to ape the Barcelona/Spain model, the success of which is hard to argue with, but whether we look for a Spanish influence or not, we must surely look for a voice to challenge what the current management team regard as orthodoxy, in all aspects of the job.
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wonkyradar on 6 June, 2012 at 11:13 said:
I stay clear of the WGS debate too. For whatever reason it polarised the support and brought out the worst in us.
That was not WGS’s fault.To paraphrase from a story.
His business (like everyone elses) is to do his thing, to dance his dance. If he profits from it, fine; if he does not – too bad!
As the Arabs say,
“The nature of rain is the same, but it makes thorns grow in the marshes and flowers in the gardens”
Mercurial skill, charisma, creativity, individual brilliance were all appreciated in Scottish football pre- Souness/Cardigan. The Irish seem more appreciative of those attributes (that may not necessarily fit into a Wattanacio/Roxburgh type “system”)- as was proved by the praise heaped on Paddy when he played in Irish League. A bit like the Rugby team, the Scottish football team, seem to concentrate more on limiting the opposition & making us hard to beat than anything else.
We seem to have abandoned our Celtic flair ala Jinky/Baxter.
For Saxon like no-nonsense pragmaticism.
A Scotsman is an Irishman without the inspiration.
That last post was tongue in cheek by the way!
Before I start gettin pelters!
Wee Ignacio wore the jersey of the Galician Galacticos on numerous occasions with great distinction. I kno this thanks to the ole Daily Record, who sent 7 reporters and a snapper to cover the friendly game between Galicia and Andorra [final score 0-0].
Allgreen tthinks SPL are at it on 6 June, 2012 at 11:27:
Good points there.
It has always amazed me that no one gives WGS his due for the performances against AC Milan in the last 16 of the Champions League.
Our display in the San Siro was as good as any in Europe since the early 70s – and how the penalty against Maldini was not awarded was baffling.
Milan went on to win the Champions League that season and destroyed Man Utd in the quarter-final. They were an excellent team and Celtic matched them all the way.
Steinreignedsupreme on 6 June, 2012 at 11:17 said:
Just a point on WGS and his last season at the club. In my opinion we were an ‘honest mistake’ away from retaining the title (stonewall penalty at Easter Road in the dying minutes of the penultimate game).
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You mean the foul where the defender who was out of contract and leaving Hibs decided as he was a big Celtic fan to commit the most blatent foul possible to help us out and the Ref decided not to give it?
WGS V Tony the chin Mowbray
The pro- anti Strachan debate is how we fill the hours between the transfer window, the start of the season and November 11th.
Of course this year it has got a wee bit squeezed due to the unfolding tragedy/ non-stop comedy fest currently running down Govan way.
lionroars from earlier
Here is Ireland squad – players in bold will be the starting team for all games (injuries permitting):
1 Given – Born Donegal, spent youth time at Celtic
2 St Ledger – Born in Birmingham, grandfather from Carlow
3 Ward – Born in Dublin, played for Bohs before going to Wolves
4 O’Shea – Born in Waterford and played youth football in Ireland before being snapped up by Man U
5 Dunne – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Home Farm before going to Everton
6 Whelan – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Cherry Orchard before going to Man City
7 McGeady – Born in Glasgow, youth football at Celtic
8 Andrews – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Stella Maris before going to Wolves
9 Doyle – Born in Wexford played for Cork City before going to Reading
10 Keane (c) – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Crumlin United before going to Wolves
11 Duff – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Blackburn
12 Kelly – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Spurs
13 McShane – Born in Dublin, played Youth football for Man United
14 Walters – Born in Liverpool
15 Gibson – Born in Derry played Youth football for Man United
16 Westwood – Born in Manchester
17 Hunt – Born in Laois played Youth football for Crystal Palace
18 O’Dea – Born in Dublin played Youth football for Celtic
19 Long – Born in Tipperary played for Cork City
20 Cox – Born in Reading
21 Green – Born in Yorkshire
22 McClean – Born in Derry played for Derry City
23 Forde – Born in Galway played for Galway United
So 17 were born in Ireland and 5 played League football in ireland before making moves across the water. The others who were born in Ireland were taken to academies in England or Scotland from an early age.
Mort
Kilbowie Kelt on 6 June, 2012 at 11:07 said:
lionroars67 on 6 June, 2012 at 10:28 said:
It was me that posed the question, in response to lionroars67 asking why the Republic had a much higher FIFA ranking than the Scottish team, given the far more minor status of Irish league football (perceived at any rate).
I asked because I’m not Irish, nor am I great follower of international football. However my perception, and I’m sure that of a fair number of people is that the Republic were very early to use Grandparent etc as a route for eligibility. There’s nothing more sinister than that in my question.
If you bother to look at the responses, you’ll see I was surprised (and not a little impressed) by the number that did at least play at school level in Ireland.
wonkyradar – A Scotsman is an Irishman without the inspiration.
Scotland > Ireland.
For example:
The Krankies are better than Zig and Zag.
Trainspotting is better than Angela’s Ashes.
McCowans Highland Toffee is better than dulse.
Susan Boyle is better than Jedward.
Ireland is just an ersatz Scotland, and it’s time they owned up to it, and if anybody disagrees, I will fight them. (thumbsup)
Seven Fishes Four Steaks on 6 June, 2012 at 11:24 said:
managed by Brian Kerr. Do you know who the first person he said when asked the question “Which one of this team do you think will make it”?
Nope, don’t think I’ve heard that before. Who was it? Liam George?
Mort
Little Hodaiki – the knowledgeable Japanese exchange student
The teacher said, “Let’s begin by reviewing some American history.
Who said ‘Give me Liberty, or give me Death’?”
She saw a sea of blank faces, except for Little Hodaiki a bright foreign exchange student from Japan, who had his hand up: ‘Patrick Henry, 1775’, he said.
‘Very good!’
Who said, ‘Government of the People, by the People, for the People, shall not perish from the Earth?’
Again, no response except from Little Hodaiki: ‘Abraham Lincoln, 1863’.
‘Excellent!’ said the teacher continuing, ‘let’s try one a bit more
difficult…’
Who said, ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?’
Once again, Hodaiki’s was the only hand in the air and he said:
‘John F. Kennedy, 1961’.
The teacher snapped at the class, ‘Class, you should be ashamed of
yourselves, Little Hodaiki isn’t from this country and he knows more about our history than you do.’
She heard a loud whisper: ‘F . . k the Japs,’
‘Who said that? I want to know right now!’ she angrily demanded.
Little Hodaiki put his hand up, ‘General MacArthur, 1945.’
At that point, a student in the back said, ‘I’m gonna puke.’
The teacher glared around and asks, ‘All right! Now who said that!?’
Again, Little Hodaiki said, ‘George Bush to the Japanese Prime Minister, 1991.’
Now furious, another student yelled, ‘Oh yeah? Suck this!’
Little Hodaiki jumped out of his chair waving his hand and shouted to the teacher, ‘Bill Clinton, to Monica Lewinsky, 1997!’
Now with almost mob hysteria someone said, ‘You little sh*t. If you say anything else, I’ll kill you.’
Little Hodaiki frantically yelled at the top of his voice, “Michael Jackson to the child witness testifying against him, 2004.’
The teacher fainted.
As the class gathered around the teacher on the floor, someone said, ‘Oh sh*t, We’re screwed!’
Little Hodaiki said quietly, ‘Ally McCoist, 2012.’
SofTunis- perception is everything these days! FC time at England is regarded as a failure, but statistically he has a better record than the likes of TV.
In football management you are as successful as the press say you are.
Scottish FA@Scottish_FA
Key rule change passed unopposed at AGM re change of ownership ruling. Club must conduct investigation into prospective new owners
Scottish FA@Scottish_FA
Campbell Ogilvie: ‘The debate on pyramid structure must be brought to a conclusion this year’.
greenjedi on 6 June, 2012 at 11:35:
“You mean the foul where the defender who was out of contract and leaving Hibs decided as he was a big Celtic fan to commit the most blatent foul possible to help us out and the Ref decided not to give it?”
No idea who committed the foul or the background of the Hibs player. But it was a stonewall penalty. I’d be astounded if that was the reason we didn’t get the decision though – unless a new rule has come into play.
Scottish FA@Scottish_FA
CO: ‘A study into when we play our football at all levels is under way
weeminger on 6 June, 2012 at 11:37 said:….
Thanks for putting me right on that.
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lionroars67.
Humble apology.
Good luck to you both.
philvisreturns on 6 June, 2012 at 11:38 said:
McCowans Highland Toffee is better than dulse.
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Wash your mouth out, that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve EVER seen on this board!!!!
Mort, Gerry Crossley then of Celtic. Know his Grandfather well. Went off the rails at Celtic and now not even playing football.
SffS
greenjedi – Wash your mouth out
I wou, buh mah teesh are schtuck togebah. (thumbsup)
I think they now make Highland Toffee in England.
Whats dulse??
Scottish FA@Scottish_FA
Key rule change passed unopposed at AGM re change of ownership ruling. Club must conduct investigation into prospective new owners
(What’s that phrase about stable doors and horses?)
Philvis, I’ll have you know that footballers raised with dulse as part of their diet play much better in wet conditions, Those footballers raised with Highland Toffe tend to get bogged down on sticky playing fields. Harrumph.
Kilbowie Kelt on 6 June, 2012 at 11:44 said:
No problem. As I said, the continued excellence of the Irish team in terms of major championship qualification gets more impressive, the more you look into it.
jude2005 is Neil Lennon \o/ on 6 June, 2012 at 11:47 said:
Whats dulse??
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Manna from heaven
AKA
Seaweed that tastes beautiful
Sydneytim
Had a few good nights out in Kingston. The place has got better over the years from just a couple of nightclubs to a town with lots of decent bars restaurants and a few very trendy nightspots. I’m a bit too old for all that nonsense now though.
gj
Fried or boiled?? Banco or Red?
greenjedi
Dulse, is best eaten by people without tastebuds. While we’re at it,I include carrigan moss and Kimberly biscuits.
Nightmaresingweedoreatayoungage CSC
Scottish FA@Scottish_FA
CO: ‘In the past year we have undergone the biggest transformation and modernisation in the Scottish FA’s history. We must remember that’.
I see newspapers in north east linking us with Leon Best again. Hopefully lazy journalism!
SFFS
Ah, I remember Gerry Crossley. I worked with his mother in the Irish News a few years ago.
Mort
Surely R. C. Ogilvie is not anywhere near that meeting??
Jude – Raw, just dried on the rocks by the sun
Allgreen – Curladie/Carrageen Moss is lovely. Ps UP THE ROSSES!!!!
Dulse et decorum est
Pro patria Highland Toffee
phil has a new blog up Bhoys & Ghirls
http://www.philmacgiollabhain.ie/charles-green-asks-the-blue-knights-for-help/#more-2776