A group of Westminster MPs are set to accommodate administrators Rangers FC PLC in London tomorrow in the hope of using whatever influence they have to pull a deal together. Political interference in distressed companies is not uncommon but on this occasion the risks of collateral damage are enormous.
Fifa strictly prohibits political interference in football matters and has banned national teams and their representative clubs from international competition for matters as trivial as politically motivated appointments, never mind overt political lobbying on behalf of a football club in tax delinquency.
Prime Minister, David Cameron, commented on Rangers situation last week, although unlike Scottish First Minister, Alex Salmond, he limited himself to a neutral comment, however, I hear that Treasury officials have already been lobbied to exert pressure on HM Revenue and Customs to agree to whatever necessary to prevent Rangers from suffering the consequences of not paying tax.
Ironically, it’s Celtic and the Scotland national team who are set to suffer. Craig Levein hopes to take his Scotland team into the World Cup qualifying tournament in September while Neil Lennon will hope to give his Celtic team a chance to qualify for the Champions League. Fifa would be delighted to take the British government and football associations down a notch or two after the accusations of bribery at the international body emanating from England when their bid to host the World Cup perished.
Duff and Phelps have nothing to lose from meeting the MPs but with so much at stake for Scotland, Celtic and our other European entrants next season, the Scottish and London politicians must rein-in their over political interference and the SFA must get off their backsides and remind everyone of Fifa rules.
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Blindlemonchitlin says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:44
No it was Adam Ingram. The Sunday Mail mentioned his past life in the Orange Lodge.
Brogan Rogan Trevino and Hogan supports Kano 1000 says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:25
Yes and what abuse I got!!! Mostly off air. Did you collude with HT on that one ?
HT – you know, I know!!! ;-)))
hh
bjmac
PS Ya coupla f*****
FourGreenFields says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:38
Alright bro JELLY & ICE CREAM FOR ALL
HH
Aipple
Tax Police is about the onle Leonard Cohen song I haven’t listened to tonight. I’m on Hallelujah at the moment but will have to get to my bed!
Does all this gloating have consequences?
I used to feel compassion and empathy, it is how I was brought up, has the last few weeks eroded that permanently?
Will I ever see those feelings return?
I sincerely hope so………………… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAjjdGsPhkE
Auldheid
Theory is ok, but with no chance of competing for a prolonged period the crowds would be tiny from year 2, the budget colapses and they are back to the court of session.
Have to agree with Excellent[ with a capital E] CQNer James Forrest’s point that I too would get no satisfaction from being awarded honours in retrospect. As he so eloquently put, these things are to be enjoyed IN THE MOMENT. I cannot derive any pleasure at being given these by default years later.
I believe they SHOULD be awarded but in no way should this be considered ‘recompence’.
My dear,dear,dear,friend..Aipple.. (Luv yer Nomme de Blog..it’s Sae Succinct and Succulent!)
Hiya,pally?
Yep.. Broonie,his bin a surprising Revelation,since he returned fae his Latest
Lay-Aff.
Ah Honestly Believe that Fur the First Time in Over Four Long Years of
Indifferent Perfomances, fae him..
Broonie,has Noo Actually.. Found a way tae Be Consistently Good..
and is showing a Vast Improvement in his Performances for the Team.
And that is No an easy thing fur me tae admit tae…Let me tell You!
Because…
.tae paraphrase.. with apologies…tae You know whom…
“Ah hiv Criticized and Flayed Ye,
But By the God that Made Ye,
Ye are a bettah Player than Ah Thought ye wur.. Broonie Bhoy!”
Nice Chattin.with ye.
Kojo.
Yer pal.. who thinks ye swell.
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy
Good stuff, love the Jeff Buckley version of Hallelujah.
Mind nae meat 2 morro!”!!!
The bould Hector’s bhoys……Tá ár lá anois says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:48
The Westminster Celtic Supporters Club has been in existence for many years. One of my former staff had an aunt who was an MP for an English Constituency and who was a member of the Club. There was a newspaper article about the time of Seville highlighting some of the members.
Bundoran Bhoy
Cheers , got to get some sleep – more Hun winding in the morning
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:45
+++++
Rangers were still using EBTs up to an including 09/10. Haven’t seen their audited accounts for 2011 to comment on, but Whyte (who can be trusted to get such things correct, right?) is on record as stating that he put an end to them (EBTs) when he took over last May – which suggests that they were also in use last season.
I’d just repatriate any and all trophies they’ve won since 02/03:
5 League Titles
4 Scottish Cups
6 League Cups.
Auldheid
An very good summation.
Regardless of what happens now they are going to be weakened significantly and Celtic should win the titles for the foreseeable future.
Rangers dying has its own appeal but watching them toil and struggle for third place would have its own joys.
In any event they must be made to suffer.
If they need those old firm (although such a term would be incorrect) games we know how to get them:
League cup sections again Celtic and Newco together every year they are in the lower leagues.
Scottish cup home and away 3rd round tie, away goals counting like a European match.
Integrity must be maintained
philvisreturns says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:40
Other things we’ve learned from Follow Follow etc….
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..and the most topical of them all, recently alleged on FF, is that “Jelly and Ice Cream” was an IRA code word for imminent bombings during the Troubles.
Aipple says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:56
Got the Jeff Buckley version too. I’m quite up to date for an Oul’ Yin :-)
I’m now listening to First we take Manhattan.
I’d be happy for trophies to be stripped from Huns without us being awarded their tainted titles. Even better if HMRC can go back to 1993 and manage to strip at least 1 of their HUN in a row.
Dont want or need them.
MWD
ClashCity … @ tonight / yesterday.
The current SPL football deal is the very poor relation of Eu football.
Even the new one adds only an extra £3mill pa to the pot.
Add in the Sky led deal with the SFA for the SC and the NT games and we are getting shafted big time by both Sky and the BBC.
£13 mill for the SPL – ESPN in the main plus Sky doing a bit of cherry picking and the shambles of a BBC highlights show.
£16mill to the SFA. – sky in the main plus some crumbs for the BBC in the SC and another set of highlights.
Sky takes £400mill plus – possibly as much as £500mill – in sales and subs from the Scottish TV Market and puts back less than 5% of that into Scottish football.
Their product is sports led and cricket / RL is not big box office north of the border so we are getting ripped off – cheap deal for the SPL / SFA and subsidising the EPL.
The actual costs of delivery are small so Scotland’s revenues go straight to the bottom line in the form of 25% of their profit margin.
However Sky are not the only culprits.
The BBC output is shameful compared to their efforts with the EPL / EFL.
They get it on the cheap and they deliver it on be cheap.
STV is a husk of it’s former self and does not even bother trying.
The demise of the TFOD is not the issue regarding the finances of Scottish football it is the scandalously low TV revenues that go back into the game.
If the TFOD fail to survive Sky will still need to flog their subscription packages in Scotland.
They have 25% of their profit margin and consequently share price riding on it.
BlantyreKev
Any news on the real big tax case ?
Goodnight CQN, 6am train to Manc tomorrow morning, Googybhoy getting me from station to final destination hopefully.
Be good!
hh
bjmac
PS HT, I had a quick look back at last night, think Celticghirlanew fell for the ol’ bjmac charm ;-) The magic is still there :-))))))
Aipple, Got your app at weekend or is it Aipp
First notification, Killie one up at Ibrokes
Marvellous!!
Agree wholeheartedly Kojo.
I’ve been one of his biggest naysayers over the years but feel something has changed in him or what Lennon is asking of him.
Maybes he feels more relaxed now with a young team round him and him as the elder statesman of sorts, who knows.
At the risk of getting slayed on here (for mentioning basketball SDM had a wee failed BB team as well) I assume you have heard of the wee linsane Jeremy Lin.
ESPN couldnae live without him right now. If he fell and failed and was lost to the game would ESPN and the NBA survive?
I think so!
Aye guid to converse with you.
!!Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 says: (and Paul67)
21 February, 2012 at 23:16
IMHO, and have posted this before, UEFA &FIFA wont get involved in this mess.They will leave the SFA to limit damage to der hun and re-habilitate them in any way they can.I do hope i am wrong but…..
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I agree. UEFA will point out to Article 50 of their FFP rules on tax due which will allow overdue tax not to considered as such under Annex VIII para 2 b if a written agreement is reached on repayment between club and the tax authority.
Given all the other plus points I described previous I reckon that s long as the tax repayment schedule was in big castor oil doses all parties would swallow it and Celtic would be happy to see it administered.
Auld Neil Lennon heid says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:45
And Ticketus agree to this time to pay arrangement do they?
Or have you forgetten about them?
Anybody have a view on how RFC demise and consequent CFC fan elation will translate in to attendance/ season ticket sales for Celtic..?
I predict full crowds…
Brian Donohoe and his band of huns at westminster will be like the A-team locked in a cave except no one has left all the parts for an armoured car lying about and there’s no lights on to see anything and adam ingram is desperate for a dump and stinking the place out when hmrc come in and turn on he lights, tut, roll their eyes and leave.
DUSHANBE BHILLY BHOY – ..and the most topical of them all, recently alleged on FF, is that “Jelly and Ice Cream” was an IRA code word for imminent bombings during the Troubles.
That is brilliant. I hope they write to their MP’s to complain.
Or at least, ask their carers to help them write to their MP’s. (thumbsup)
TOSB
Independent Article Jason Campbell Henry McLeish
Scotsman
They want sympathy, when all we’ve heard from them over the last few years is “show’s yer balance sheet, we’ve got the trophies”!
I’ll bet they’re interested in their club finances now!
Honour your debts.
T4
tommytwiststommyturns says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:40
Sorry about the delay.
Some say they will bring us down with them.
I don’t believe that for one moment.
They will dissapear as we know them and Sky will open the EPL door for us.
Massive box office.
We must keep our eye on the ball here . In our ranks we have some heavy hitters ,but they are rolling out the dirty tricks brigade . I just hope our clever guys are keeping tabs on whats going on .IMHO HMRC will be got at, of that there is no doubt ,maybe not let them off entirely but a bit of leniency will be agreed . I cant fathom out members of parliment and the scottish parliment , defending tax evaders. There survival will be manufactured in scotland ,and carried down there to westminster ,i just wish the english electorate could be made aware of the meeting taking place tomorrow and its aims . This fight must be taken down there because up here we have no chance of winning . . As i stated a few days ago whyte is just a front for others in this and i wouldnt be surprised if murray is behind it ,and wouldnt be surprised if he re emerges. Every angle must be scrutinised and covered
jimtim
Hector
Agree let them keep the tainted silver. Lets just see it on the records!! Ps And get those feckin 5 ***** aff the manky strips.Thatll hurt more!!
Kojo says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:55
Broonie has been playing very well lately, he was playing good before also IMO.
Broonie had a good season last year and although he never played with the ball and the mind the way he has been lately, he was an absolute nuisance to play against.
I know you cannae get to see the games live often Kojo but trust me, the work Scott does off the ball is incredible and is a key reason why Neil was adamant that Broonie was going to be his Captain and always will be his Captain.
hh
Goodnight Timland ohh before i go anyone heard anything from the VBs only last sunday they were saying mr Whyte will be speaking to his accountants in the morning and will keep us updated. :))))))) GULLIBLE or whit, i mean our hero has come oot and confessed and i bet some of they crackers will still say it will be ok in the morning mr whyte told us.
HAIL HAIL
Call me visionary but this is how it will play out,
After wrapping up our 5th title on the trot in 2015/16 and getting to the final of the Europa League for the 2nd time in 14 years (which we win..2-1 against Porto :) ) Ran*ers 1690 FC finally gain promotion to the SFL Division 2 after 5 years in the wilderness.
In season 2018/19 Celtic FC, after retaining our SPL title for the 8th straight season announce the rebuilding of the main stand to accomodate the possible influx of supporters due to negotiations ongoing in UEFA regarding restructuring of the Champions League into a full season league, comprised of 34 midweek games between Europe’s top club’s in a Home & Away 3 point for a win, 1 for a draw, 0 for a loss format.
Ran*ers 1690 FC meanwhile continue to toil in the 2nd division.
feel free to see how you see the future :)
HH
Auldheid
Donohue was not talking about a deal that would see HUN FC PLC ( in administration) pay back their full outstanding debt to HMRC. He was talking about a pence in the pound CVA or nothing.
Full remittance or liquidation should be HMRC’s stance. Can’t imagine HMRC will be happy to act as a bank. If it is a repayment plan then surely interest has to be compounded at a rate of a soon to be non triple A rated economy.
MWD
dirtymac \o/ says:
21 February, 2012 at 23:57
I know but they would be of lesser value compared to peak usage in 2003 and 2005 wehn those titles were won a by a goal and a point.
The EBT usage dropped in 2007 when they switched to debt as wage fuel when arguiably they should have drppped EBTS and wages to keep debt down to enable them to meet. the potential liabality.
The Role of EBT’s and Debt in winning titles
Rangers Celtic
Year EBT Contribution Debt £Ms Debt £Ms Title winner
2001 £1,010,000 £22.0 £29.6 Celtic
2002 £5,176,000 £52.0 £16.5 Celtic
2003 £6,791,000 £68.0 £17.8 Rangers
2004 £7,252,000 £73.9 £15.8 Celtic
2005 £7,241,000 £23.1 £19.5 Rangers
2006 £9,192,000 £5.9 £9.0 Celtic
2007 £4,998,000 £16.5 £5.0 Celtic
2008 £2,291,000 £21.6 £3.5 Celtic
2009 £2,360,000 £31.1 £1.5 Rangers
2010 £1,358,000 £27.1 £5.9 Rangers
2011 ? £18.0 £0.5 Rangers
£47,669,000
Ceaser67
I don’t want them on our records. Just off theirs.
We can survive without their tainted titles.
MWD
Evening gents
as much as we enjoy their demise, does anyone wanna have a quick swatch at the good work thats been done at CFC?
we have serious competition for places in the team, thats why we won’t get complacent, if ye get a start ye need to show yer worthy!!
look at the age of our squad, look at the potential to improve within and call me silly (or slighty rosey!) but i feel we could be on the verge of something here.
HH
andybhoy