Back in 1994, when our day of greatest need arrived, Celtic fans had already invested years in developing a recovery strategy in case the club faced extinction. A disparate group of “rebels” filtered out good ideas from bad, established a platform for recovery and ensured that when the hour came, one man was ready and able to walk into a branch of Bank of Scotland and deposit a large sum of money into Celtic’s account, while others rallied support and prepared for the recovery.
Those rebels eventually went their own ways as many of those who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Fergus McCann found allies in conflict didn’t make for friends in peacetime, but the rebels were united long enough to Save our Celts. Without their preparation, Celtic would have quickly gone into administration and who knows where thereafter.
Compare and contrast with Rangers in their hour of need. There is no preparation, no consensus of the willing, not even an acceptance that this is, in fact, an hour of need.
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Paul67 Excellent as ever
We live in the same streets , we work in the same offices & yards and yes we even went to the same Schools but
‘We are a very different People’
I’d be suprised if there aren’t Rangers fans planning for life after the EBT decision. The longer the whole thing drags out the better chance they have of succeeding. If Whyte really does want to run FC Rangers 2012 after insolvency then he should go for it now. If his plan is to sell assets to a newco then he should hang on as long as he is able, so that they can get the funds together. We shouldn’t concern ourselves either way. What we need to be ready for, and battling against from now on, is admission of FC Rangers 2012 into the SPL. We need to let our board and the SPL know that we don’t want or need them in the SPL. We should work with supporters of other Scottish clubs to protect the “integrity” of the league.
Has anybody scanned the DR pages and uplinked them ?
Hail Hail
Good afternoon to you all on this bright and pleasant January day.
One can only assume that in publishing what has been common knowledge to those of us with access to this forum and RCT, Phil, etc., the Daily Record is re-positioning itself for what comes next.
The Motherwell Born Billionaire is now a dead duck as far as the Scottish media and those who lap up their spin—the Rangers support—are concerned.
Was it meant to happen like this? I suspect not.
Whyte would have reckoned on a run in the European Cup and bigger flows of cash to support his ambitions, but these dreams did not come to pass under the tenure of the hapless Alistair McCoist.
At any event the Scottish press have now written off Whyte and it remains to be seen what other dirt they dish on him now that he is down.
At a guess I would say that what we are witnessing is cock-up, rather than carefully planned conspiracy.
But there remains the nagging doubt that it was meant to happen like this.
We certainly live in interesting times.
There are far too many permutations of how it will play out to speculate on. But we can sit back with our feet up and enjoy the show.
This show does not include audience participation, that only comes when the establishment try to bring the Newco into the Premier League.
It is only then that we — the support — need to act as we acted in those dark days that Paul’s excellent cameo article recalls. With principle and with one voice.
starry plough, aye.
tamrabam, true.
ernie lynch, I have. Celtic will do what they can, viable ideas welcome…..
RogueLeader, true.
obonfanti1888, the day is young.
bunburybhoy, indeed.
hamiltontim, aye, that’s right.
dirtymac, that’s an excellent assessment.
voguepunter, plenty time for that too.
goldstar10, good information is the basis of every good plan.
Sneddoni, what a good idea.
From Garngad to Croy, cheers.
The difference was that we had to do it ourselves as no one was going to do it for us, while they have the media and football establishment willing to help them get back up, as we have seen already
this might be a daft question but.. is it season book sales or all ticket sales that have been ‘mortgaged’? and are the people who loaned the money guaranteed a certain amount or have they gambled on the number of season books that will be sold? I’m just wondering if ra peepil don’t renew their season books if that means that CW will have less money to pay back to the lenders? Could their support ditch their season tickets and buy ticket for each game, with that money staying with rangers? if they still have a team to follow that is!
Yer tea is oot now, why don’t you go home?
I THINK WE SHOULD ALL GO OOT AND BUY the record over the next few days.
If the RECORD owners see that BAD hun news is good news, then thy might force MORE anti HUN stories.
Sounds simple 2 me…………………………………………………………………………………………
BigJoeSITTINGwith7DR’s
Walter’s myth… in 2007 and 2008,
Alexander from Ipswich, free with performance-based add-ons, Jan 2008
Beasley from PSV, £700,000, June 2007
Bougherra from Charlton, £2.5M, July 2008
Broadfoot, from St Mirren, No fee, July 2007
Carroll free agent (released from West Ham in May ‘07), no fee July 2007
Cousin from Lens, £750,000, July 2007
Cuellar from Osasuna, £2.37M, July 2007
Dailly from West Ham, no fee, taking over rest of contract, Jan 2008
Darcheville from Bordeaux, no fee, July 2007
Davis from Fulham, £3M, July 2008 (after 6 month loan)
Edu from Toronto FC, £2.6M, August 2008
Lafferty from Burnley, £3M, July 2008
McCulloch from Wigan, £2.25M, July 2007
McGregor new contract worth £1M year for 5 years signed June 2008
Mendes from Portsmouth, £3M, August 2008
Miller from Derby £2M, June 2008
Naismith from Kilmarnock £1.9M, August 2007
Thomson from Hibs, £2M, January 2007
Velicka from Viking FK, £1M, July 2008
Weir, Jan 2007, no fee, then new 1-year contract in Summer 2007
Whittaker from Hibs, £2M, August 2007
TOTAL TRANSFER FEES PAID BY SMITH IN 2007 & 2008 £29.07M
Winning manager? Yes.
Genius on a shoestring? Naw.
Paul67
You are enjoying this too much!
A pity the bares did not listen to the ‘Internet Bampots’ months ago. :)
Paul67 says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:15
‘ernie lynch, I have. Celtic will do what they can, viable ideas welcome…..’
How resolute are the board?
How far are they prepared to go?
ernie lynch says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:13
Earlier today somebody had a post (from CelticUnderground maybe), stating that Aberdeen, Hearts and Dundee Utd have all stated they’d vote against a move to allow Rangers straight back in.
I think those clubs are looking at the potential loss in tv and thinking they might be able to offset that by a) chance at finishing second so increased prize money; b) more chance of getting into Europe; and c) increased competition so higher gates throughout the season. They may end up no worse off with a reduced tv deal and no Rangers games for a couple of years.
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Paul67..
Thanks for this Article..
I Was Overseas in 94 But know the Rebels Story Well..
Brian Dempsey..I Have asked a Couple of Times on CQN what People thought about him..I Only can say..Maybe not Hatred but a Definite Dislike for BD..Aw Well Fergus got it as Well..
When you look across the City Both BD and Fergus seem Like White Nights..
Before anyone Quotes BD of Fergus Faults I am Related to BD..
“The Rebels Have Won..”
Summa
Bring out your dead
Posted by Douglas Cameron 43 minutes ago
Today Rangers have sold their main striker for £5m, well under his true value. For some this represents the point the club lost the league. They are wrong though we lost the league because of Naismith’s injury, or more accurately management’s inability to cope with his enforced absence. Jelavic? Good player yes but his heart is not in it and we can always find someone else to take the penalties.
Today is the day the league became inconsequential. Today is the day Craig Whyte publicly admitted he paid for Rangers by mortgaging the club’s season ticket money for FOUR seasons and exposed the truth behind his takeover. Even assuming we were to win the tax case (unlikely) how exactly is the club supposed to fund its day to day operations without its primary source of income/cash for four years?
We have given the guy the benefit of the doubt. We were wrong. Rangers fans as a group have generally shown loyalty to the club this last year. There is a thin line though between loyalty and sheer stupidity. Too many were quick to dismiss the stories emanating from rangerstaxcase.com as blinded by bias when so far the majority of the key points raised on there by the mystery blogger have been proven to be correct. There is certainly a good deal of gloating on there but there can’t be many left who subscribe to Mr Whyte’s assertion that “what they are saying is 99% crap”.
£25m was raised through the mortgaging of the season tickets. Jelavic has just been sold for £5m. Why? How have we managed to burn through £25m in half a season?
Even without the loss of the tax case we now owe well in excess of this £25m figure when unpaid NI/PAYE and general trade creditors are factored in. We only owed Lloyds £18m when he took over.
I am actually too angry at the moment to write in a considered and coherent fashion. Insolvency is now a matter of when and not if regardless of the tax case.
This weekend Rangers are facing Dundee Utd in the cup at Ibrox. I never ever thought I would say this but I believe the time has come for a boycott of this game and then next year’s season tickets. Whyte is strangling the club and not a penny of the money fans spend will benefit the team. We are limping on with no obvious benefit to anyone except Whyte. Let’s be done with it. We need to go through administration, cross our fingers that the wealthy Bears long rumoured in the Glasgow business community to be waiting to buy the business and assets (not the shares of the limited company which means taking on the liabilities) step forward and let us take whatever punishment is dished out by the football authorities. Rangers Football Club is not a limited company it is a football club, a tradition, a community and a need. It will survive through this but only if the fans face reality.
On Sunday Ally McCoist’s biggest worry will no doubt be who plays up front. In truth he would be doing us all a favour if he resigned. Even now with today’s news I think it will take something this dramatic to wake up some of our support. McCoist has been sold down the river just as much as the support. He more than anyone has the chance to come out and reveal what is really going on. Time to walk Ally and bring this dark dark chapter to an end.
HaHaHaHa….
lynnsgreensocks says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:16
‘this might be a daft question but.. is it season book sales or all ticket sales that have been ‘mortgaged’? and are the people who loaned the money guaranteed a certain amount or have they gambled on the number of season books that will be sold?’
The company who provided the money will have a charge, a mortgage, over the huns assets.
They don’t get paid, they call up the security, just like a bank would do if you don’t pay your mortgage.
Can I make a prediction?
About 3pm we will get a Rangers PR release..
a) Completely refutes the whole article
b) Daily Record Banned
c) Discussing with lawyers and any repeats of information will also be met with legal action
d) All done by people who are enemies of Rangers
latest from RTC
http://rangerstaxcase.com/2012/01/31/battle-for-rangers-soul-begins/
lynnsgreensocks says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:16
Could their support ditch their season tickets and buy ticket for each game, with that money staying with rangers?
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This was one of our historical problems – an exceedingly large stadium with less than a fifth uptake of season tickets. This meant that whilst we could be guaranteed 40k+ for Hearts, Aberdeen and a full house for orcs games, we’d be standing amongst 15,000 v Hamilton and Airdire.
Either way, they’re fairly up that creek with nary a means to guide or even so much as stay afloat.
sky sports news heading to Ibrox for breaking news after ad break….
ernie lynch says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:13
TheOriginalSadiesBhoy says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:06
‘ernie lynch says:
31 January, 2012 at 12:04
What plans do you have to do this?’
The first part of the plan is to ask the question, raise the issue.
My view is that the Celtic board could kill any move stone dead by threatening to resign from the SPL if they agree to allow a neco huns straight in.
All Peter Lawwell has to do at this stage is just hint at the idea to his counterparts in the other SPL clubs. Nothing explicit, just sow the idea. Maybe he’s already done that, who knows.
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Thanks for the reply. I’m glad you qualified PL’s approach in that he should be subtle rather than explicit. I agree that the club must do something but they must not back themselves into a corner. They need to do a lot of work behind the scenes to sound out allies, propose alternative strategies to having a newco. Perhaps even sharing a proportion of league gate money to help other clubs recover from any monies they would lose from missing out on home games v RFC.
Those clubs who vote for Newco to come back to the Premier League without a stain on their record should have a thought about a Celtic bhoycott on them if they do.
That would be a distinct possibility.
Would you visit Tynecastle again if Hearts voted to keep their bigot brother afloat?
I wonder if the fat PLG knew about Whyte’s ‘dealings’?
I suppose we’ll find out soon enough, if he didn’t he’ll walk and still be a legned in the eyes of the deluded, if he did he’ll stay on until the bitter end.
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Sky Sports breaking news, “Significant developements at Ibrox”
Ernie
The current allocation from all commercial revenues generated from SPL is divided as follows. The figures in brackets only uses TV revenue for next year of £16m
1 – 17.0% (£2.72m)
2 – 15.0% (£2.4m)
3 – 9.5% (£1.52m)
4 – 8.5% (£1.36m)
5 – 8.0% (£1.28m)
6 – 7.5% (£1.2m)
7 – 7.0% (£1.12m)
8 – 6.5% (£1.04m)
9 – 6.0% (£960k)
10 – 5.5% (£880k)
11 – 5.0% (£800k)
12 – 4.5% (£720k)
If we assume the TV deal is cut in half, 2nd place will receive £1.2m, which is the equivalent of what 6th place currently gets. 3rd will get £760k so in this scenario, teams will get less from the smaller TV deal.
Mort
I keep saying it.
They now have an outstanding VAT bill of £5 Million! No-one can ignore that, not the SFA, SPL or even the Government.
bye, bye rangers…
New signing unveiled at Murray Park
You’d hardly know it was transfer deadline day on here this morning :)
No first team departures and I reckon we’ll all be happy. We’ve come a long way.
ernie and dirtymac – thanks, you’ve cured a niggle! I’ll get back to full relish mode again :o)
Dirtymac from the previous post.
Just because our board have not made the same mistakes as the Huns does not mean they have an impeccable track record.
Here are a few of what I consider to be poor business decisions.
January 2009 – No back up brought in for JVOH and McDonald, yet Sheridan allowed to leave on loan, and no deal tied up for Fletcher. (Sheridan had scored 4 goals in 12 appearances, 7 of which were off the bench) (Fletcher had scored 6 in 21 starts)
August 2009 – Appointing Mowbray, at significant financial cost, allowing him to rip apart a reasonably successful team, and spend money on his own players. Not even considering Neil Lennon for the job at this stage, only to appoint him a year later necessitating a further squad reshuffle. No element of forward planning.
I don’t think any of the above decisions were made with a view to handing the Huns the title, but they ultimately proved to be poor decisions. Don’t you agree ?
You say yourself on this post at 12:07 that Celtic’s debt back in 1994 was manageable with the right person to underwrite. Would you not acknowledge then that our debt now is manageable , with a much stronger financial base ? I work in Banking, and in the last couple of years I have seen many businesses, small and large, have credit lines cut, or borrowing rates increased. It is a testament to the sound financial practices and acumen of the Celtic board that this has not happened to us. Our borrowing terms are in line with those available to only the very strongest of businesses. Sadly we haven’t fully taken advantage of that, hence 3 in a row, and reducing season ticket sales, but that is being addressed now.
weeminger, you made a point about the huns spending money they didn’t have to win those 3 titles. I don’t think any of us, or our board, could have foreseen how they would gamble their very future in such a reckless manner, so I’d have to cut our board some slack there.
Others have said it here, this was about ego, Murray, Smith and Advocaat, all wanted something they couldn’t get, yet Whyte will be the fall guy.
Our time has come now though. Malcontents, happyclappers and mineshafters alike, we will all be celebrating together.
Ason ofDan
Somebody should tell Douglas Cameron that the Dark chapter is only beginning and is about to get much darker!
Load of nonsense stuff about Grant Holt and other nonsense about targets etc…….
Hoping the news from Ibrox is FPLG walks, to be replaced by Gordon Smith; I would honestly die laughing!
Wasn´t it interesting that Bain dropped his court case in the same week that Watty and Sir Skinty showed up ?
Every single one of them has exited stage left at perfectly the right moment
You can see why Alex Salmond embraced Sir Skinty …. the future of Scotland and what it will be built on is Public Relations
When you can have; The Scottish government, The Courts & judiciary (see Neil Lennon verdict, Paul Mc Bride behaviour), The police (see rob shorthouse, carrigan etc) , The national television broadcaster, the independent national television broadcaster, the entire written media, The Scottish football association, The SPL, SPL clubs and Lloyds bank, in your back pocket. To the extent that fundamental components of the nation is completely prepared to operate and embrace what can only be described as overt feudalism.
Vote for an independent Scotland .. vote for a return to feudalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feudalism
Salmond missed an opportunity this summer
Vote for an Independent Scotland and Newco ….. F**K the public purse
Hail Hail
BBC guy, Brian McLaughlin, reporting Hearts have received bid from Huns and Championship team for Templeton
That was the developments at Ibrox….. I better put the cork back in….. for now!
2010 £ 1.36m
2009 £ 2.36m
2008 £ 2.29m
2007 £ 4.99m
2006 £ 9.19m
2005 £ 7.24m
2004 £ 7.25m
2003 £ 6.79m
2002 £ 5.18m
2001 £ 1.01m
These are the RTC reported inputs to the EBT, allowing Smith, Le Guen and McLeish to have a nice wee mark up on their transfer spend.
2005, 2006 and 2007 EBT input £21 Million. Smith’s 2007 & 2008 transfer spend £29M.
I know it’s not as simple as in = out, but did the financial advantage of the EBT work give McLeish 2 extra goals in 2003 and 2 extra points in 2005 as well as Smith 3 extra points in 2009 v Gordon Strachan and 1 extra point in 2011 v Neil Lennon?
It had to.
SSN presenting history as news. Must be the day for it.
Tanks?
I see no tanks …