For you and me, it was a dead rubber, an opportunity to watch Celtic without the pressure of winning or losing. For the players and coaches, not so much. The entirely-changed 11 who took the field played like they wanted to make an impact, as did an almost-as-changed Real Betis side.
The game was competitive, the nine added minutes at the end of the second half passed excruciatingly slowly; by that stage of the evening, no one’s head was in dead rubber territory.
When Albian Ajeti pulled up lame in the first half, Ange Postecoglou had plenty to ponder. At that moment, he was left with only one fit striker, Kyogo Furuhashi, the most valuable asset in Scottish football, who was resting on the bench.
Of course Kyogo came on. Ange did not set his team out to pull their punches, he wanted and got a performance. He gave fringe players their opportunity. Would it have been right for him to pull his own punches, 30 minutes into the game, by leaving his only striker on the bench? If he expects the players to commit, he has to commit and play the game competitively.
Management is so subtle. Selecting the right players and tactics is not nearly enough. If you want players to follow you, you have to live the role. Ange knew this when he told Kyogo to get stripped.
So what did we learn? James McCarthy looks more than comfortable in a Celtic shirt every time I see him. The player he was is slowly emerging. Liam Scales can feel aggrieved he has not had a sniff of proper action before this week. Stephen Welsh continues to grow into the role of Celtic central defender, a year after breaking into the team.
We finished third in a group against the third placed teams in Germany and Spain. Collecting six points from Ferencvaros was an objective delivered, although so much more could have been achieved as we allowed comfortable positions slip in Spain and Germany.
If you are old enough, you will remember being told Celtic win trophies when they first emerge. Perhaps the Europa Conference League will have its compensations.
Motherwell on Sunday afternoon is anything but a dead rubber. The Celtic FC Foundation Bucket Collection returns for the first time in two years, those in need remain numerous. The work of the Foundation does is remarkable and literally life changing at this time of year. It is our greatest boast.
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Tom
Yeh Tom Read back.
Read how a poster
On here there is a range of posters who only talk of Celtic( if they do at all)(they all pray at the god of individual socialism!chibheid galloway
Sceptical fascist,Daniel O fascist constantly posting their pro union pro Boris guff which is laughable.
However a week or so the fake multi moniker
Daniel o fascist posted in support(pro brexit post) of the fishermen who harassed and RNLI. Thats correct.those whose job it to save/rescue refugees.fascism being posted on a club founded for refugees is called out Tom.
Ernie who advises reading the above context,quiet.no calling out of fascism being nonchalantly posted
Not a word but no surprise there.He would see it as a .’nat’ getting grief(never voted for them) but I suppose i am pissin in the wind waiting for support against fascismfrom a man who will never be able to reconcile ‘new socialism and a quart million dead.
The poster jhb has been asked countless times which form of fascist scum he follows like all good fascists silent when asked he is here for the politics only.
He was asked his view on fishermen harassment and fascist scum behaviour…silence
Now onto giving oxygen to a snide.
A poster whose anger at only posting one or 2 lined sniders to myself and other posters landed down his throat when his support for fascist scummery on a Celtic blog was highlighted.
Tom I make no apologies for any English I used in calling out fascist scum on a Celtic blog.
Sorry to respected posters like gene and parkheadcumsalford,others I gen don’t want to impede your use of blog,now I feel the lazy journalism cqn questioned is now lazy covert fascism.slipped in.
Thats my view Tom calling out fascists and those who by their silence don’t.
Hope your good.
Refugees are welcome
HH
SFtBs and others who may be interested…
Came across this chap.
Iain Gilchrist
Extremely interesting. He says what science teaches us is “Golden” but the way we are conditioned by reason and “left brain thinking” is incorrect.
https://www.essentiafoundation.org/seeing/iain-mcgilchrist-consciousness-is-the-stuff-of-the-cosmos/
Maybe you need to get that grey right Brain muscle in your head working harder:)
Just~a~thot
Hail Hail
AN TEARMANN on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 1:41 PM
The context I was referring to was in relation to the language used, not the sentiment expressed.
WT resorted to obscenities because his complaints about your own use of obscenities had gone unheeded.
Personally I’m not offended by the language, but it gets tiresome and loses effect through endless repetition.
I need hardly remind you of Trotsky’s view on the issue, ‘Abusive language and swearing are a legacy of slavery, humiliation, and disrespect for human dignity—one’s own and that of other people.’
On another point, you’re saying that those who tried to impede the lifeboat crew were fishermen. Are you sure about that? I know they used fish guts to attract gulls to hinder the lifeboat being launched but that isn’t proof they were fishermen.
here he comes
walking down the street
Clunks @ 11.02
The story you highlight is crap.
The web-site you highlight is beyond bonkers / made to measure tin foil hat stuff.
They only tell a quarter of the story in a forced / partial / slanted manner.
They — and who exactly are they? — are at it for whatever reason I don’t know.
Just confirm — it is tripe.
AN TEARMANN on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 1:41 PM
Fascism is evil, of that there is no doubt. But the casual usage of the term as an insult devalues its true meaning. There is no doubt you are a clever, well intentioned guy. But to refresh your memory on Fascism.
Fascism originally hails from Italy.. Mussolini founded the National Fascist party. He went on to describe Fascism as a movement that would strike against the “backwardness of the right and destructiveness of the left.”.
As you are aware it thrives on totalitarian one party rule and rejects democracy.
Ii don’t see anyone on here campaigning for that agenda.
HH to you.
Toaty Trumper @ 1.41
Please step away from the caffeine / the sherbet dabs / the single malt / the Colombian mar …
For the sake of the little reputation that bean counters have on here could you please take a break.
I was a bean counter myself — management not audit / buried the bodies you probably couldn’t find — so please could you think before you type and stop using the word “Fascist”.
Repetition is not helping your argument / arguments.
Happy to discuss GG — I am not a fan by the way — sometime around the middle of Jan when the football takes a break.
TOM
Thought the same………..scroll by.
PS he should be banned from this site.
COYBIG huge weeks ahead. Well done ange for going on a great run after a shipe start. Is it ok to be living in dread of the next livi match; if playing them is sport, I’m a munkey’s uncle. How to do you call the glasgow derby game – we haven’t competed against them for many matches. Ange admitted to cocking up with kyogo last time and the giaka alternative isn’t there yet. We may not have jota! Antmat that’s a way off yet – keep going celtic
TIMHORTON on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 2:47 PM
Selective outrage.
Must try harder.
Too obvious.
Gp
Let’s keep fascism definitions for between 12th and 13th pint and a dram.even then we would differ 🤣
Its irrational shoite and has no place on a Celtic site.
Its word has a light shone on it.others it a physical reaction.not me.tho i can understand why.
Ta for your considered reply,
I am not diluting the term fascism.its defining would only take away from its meaning here on a Celtic blog.
We are a club founded for refugees.
Posts supporting fishermen harassing rnli as they attempt to save life is support of fascism.The context of the post was within a ubends worth of posts that were all pro brexit.it got called out.
My English can be altered no problem😊,the mindset behind those posting support for impeding rnli needs a steak thro it.
It is a vile slight.lazily layered on cqn,and in meeja.
its subtle layering and repetition may go unchecked.on cqn its getting a light shone on it.
Thats all am doing.
Catch up at a game soon(ps didnae like your chat on thurs bout watching game on telly instead of goin to game 😊) not right so it wisnae :-)))) felt like givin you the ‘delia’shout of lets be having you.
HH
Chairbhoy
Difficult to see hte relevance in Ian McGichrist’s views to sport (or to the wee jibe that I am some sort of mix of Logical Positivism and Behaviourism- I oppose all closed thinking.
McGilchrist takes his examples from music and creativity (and you may as well admit you know nothing of my prowess or weaknessin that field) but not from sport.
Outside of Strictly, Ice Dancing, Gymnastics and Diving, there are no points or medals for artistic merit. That does not make artistic merit a worthless endeavour but it does not add or detract from the scoreboard in any competitive sport.
There is no hiding place in Sport- you either win lose or draw, and the latter is just a deferral to see if you will win or lose later. You cannot award yourself extra points or goals for being more stylish or elegant or inventive. These concepts are only useful in the execution of moves leading to goals and points.
So, Left Brain, Right Brain, or Whole Brain, it’s a No Brainer as to whether this affects the odds of a successfl Qualifying or Cup CAMPAIGN as opposed to any single match or tie.
Rennes release statement as match against Tottenham Hotspur will not be played
UEFA have today released a statement regarding the Conference League group stage match between Rennes and Tottenham Hotspur, after the fixture could not be played on Thursday night when the Premier League side announced its intention not to play following a Covid-19 outbreak in the squad.
The governing body has now confirmed that the match will not be played at a later date, despite efforts between UEFA and the two clubs to find a solution. As a result, the matter will be taken to its disciplinary commission.
Rennes have released a statement taking note of the decision. The club had also stated on Thursday night that the London side had shown a lack of “fair play” in the way it acted. Spurs had initially told their opponents the game would go ahead before going back on their decision in the evening, after Rennes had touched down in London.
L’Équipe report that the Premier League side could lose the match by forfeit, with Rennes – who are already guaranteed first place in the group – being awarded the 3-0 win. As brought up by Rennes in their initial statement, the UEFA regulation states that this is the sanction when a club pulls out of a match due to Covid-19 outbreaks.
Ernie.
From my contacts in rescue services it was fishermen.
That what irks me it was a rescue service doing what they do.saving life.
Re those who impeded lets call them fascist.its simple.
HH
SFtBs @ 3:09 PM,
Yes, he uses music as an example but the principles are the same for any creative process in life and indeed any “conscious” awareness.
The link was neither to support my argument nor down your argument.
Using Dr McGilchrist’s formidable thinking to such purposes is using a a sledgehammer to crack a quark.
For me being an engineer we tend like the vast majority of western civilisation to be very left brain oriented.
For me it’s not a good thing and I’m in the process of “re-thinking” but old habits die hard.
I thought you may have found it interesting in the background of our various debates – remember you frowning at my holistic propositions:))
Still, maybe you’ll consider this…
… ‘It’ is like a stream, with its whirlpools and eddies, that come into being for a time, and resolve; while they are there they are present to all observers, even measurable up to a point; and yet, while distinct, they are inseparable from the stream, not just in the sense that without the stream they do not exist, but in the sense that they are the stream.
We are just such eddies in the stream. And creativity is always discovery of the self as well as of the other.[4] Once one sees this, the objectivising, time-denying, change-denying, diagrammatic mentality of modern Western thinking appears as I believe it is: a hindrance, not a help, on the path to truth.
“Once one sees this” … is key here.
Statistics are objectivising
And it was interesting that you state that winning a qualifying round does not change the odds.
Is that “change denying”?
You have still to show why you have chosen the odds you have and they seem to be random.
Yet if we put that to one side and go along with your premise that the odds on a first round win is say 80/20.
You then use this and the odds of the other rounds to extrapolate the overall odds – 50/50, (although of course you don’t show your workings.)
But consider this. Once the first round is played and Celtic advance the odds of the first round whether they were 80/20, 100/1 or 1/100 are irrelevant.
The game is won and the outcome is known, therefore by the certainty of that outcome, rather than the projected probability, the odds are changed.
Why do you deny this?
Maybe we can leave it there but Iain McGilchrist shows a much bigger picture and maybe we can learn something from his left Brain, right Brain hypothesis.
Have a good one Celts – and all you other ghuys also;))
Hail Hail
RIMTIMTIM From earlier.
Must disagree, sorry, but Scotland is a third world country. You pay then too much respect.
HAIL hAIL
KINGLuBO
MADMITCH on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 2:24 PM
Toaty Trumper @ 1.41
☝makes me smile.
Please step away from the caffeine / the sherbet dabs / the single malt / the Colombian mar …
#Caffeine 1 a month/liked sherbet to eyes teared/only 1 last night/ na tho did fire 2 m/ment a/cs who took their habit to work- here wisnae you wiz it? 😊##
For the sake of the little reputation that bean counters have on here could you please take a break.
##I wasn’t posting(I don’t post) in accounting terms.if I do its to give links to others work for info.
I was calling out a poster,like yourself a multi moniker,like yourself comfortable behind a moniker.
Who posted in support of those impeding those endeavouring to save life.##
I was a bean counter myself — management not audit / buried the bodies you probably couldn’t find — so please could you think before you type and stop using the word “Fascist”.
##Good for you.so what happened? Smilin here.
No I don’t need to think of my use of the term fascist or highlighting fascism.
I do understand you being confused by the terminology used.the other day you were once again defending Tony and his act of fascism and the lives lost.it is hard for you a Labour man to accept.(so I will ask you as a new Labour man :-)).
Simply asking do you support those harassing rnli?
Its easy.its fascism posted on here and enacted in eng channel.##
Repetition is not helping your argument / arguments.
## I think the sleekit snidery and layered posting from chibbedheids cult on here is greaterit was a calling out of the support of the fascist act of impeding rescue services
Funny tho that pro brexit mob/chibbedheids groupies on here are so very very quiet
Maybe they are having one of the famed existential crisis.##
Happy to discuss GG — I am not a fan by the way — sometime around the middle of Jan when the football takes a break.
## He and his cult on here are on full silent mode.i have given the airiated wrangyin more than enough.empty and I have known that since my cumbie days long ago lol
H
Moffat and Dawson in squad tomorrow
Good to hear
HH
PictureThis Scotland
@74frankfurt
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‘My skin isn’t dark, but it’s darker than most of the children. If someone said something, I fought them. That stopped it. That and football. – Henrik Larsson on growing up in Helsingborg, 1999.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGUIgs9XEAIfbgt?format=png&name=small
JB breaks down the bdo report
https://twitter.com/JBLuvsCeltic/status/1469406155289948163?t=HuaJv3vvYLx_WZmlqIbmxA&s=19
Great analysis in the TL below it too.
HH
What a player Salah is!
Slippy G’s Villains down 1-0.
Seethin’ G getting his instructions from Beale.
Amazing. Beale just told Slippy who to substitute, Slippy said nothing and it was done. He is being operated up the back.
AN TEARMANN on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 3:19 PM
It’s beyond bizarre that any sea going person would ever obstruct a lifeboat, whatever their views.
It’s also criminal so it’s disappointing that plod didn’t take a more assertive role.
On a positive note it seems that donations to the RNLI have increased dramatically since they’ve faced criticism for doing what they do.
Some game at Oldham. Down 4-5 to Forest Green Rovers after 70 minutes with ex-Celt Aitchison on the mark.
INIQUITOUSIV on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 4:29 PM
Amazing. Beale just told Slippy who to substitute, Slippy said nothing and it was done. He is being operated up the back.
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Same thing happened when Kamara was sent off against Sparta. Beale more or less shoved Slippy out of the way to reorganize the team. Slippy just stood there looking lost. He’s just a figurehead.
3 feet onside, late registration, dirty trick in plain sight.
it was ever thus.
https://twitter.com/JBLuvsCeltic/status/1469406155289948163?t=HuaJv3vvYLx_WZmlqIbmxA&s=19
Hibs, Sheep, Livi and Ross County all winning at the moment.
INIQUITOUSIV on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 4:43 PM
All LEADING at the moment, dear boy.
Pedantsareus.com
HOTSMOKED.
True😊
Then Hibs Hibs it!
Not much warmth in that Klopp – Gerrard handshake at the end.
BDO report, Trophy Stripping, Same Club Lie, EBT HMRC fraud
all of them and countless others
sacrificed on the alter of a £49 ticket.
Deal with it.
Couldn’t get over themselves CSC
Chairbhoy
“I remember you frowning at my holistic propositions:)) “
Not so much the propositions but the adjective holistic. I find it a boastful word used by advertisers to put a gloss on a product and rarely justified. It should refer to something thet addresses Humane, Aesthetic, Religious, Scientific, Pjhilosphical and Political values, and more, in one unified package.
Comprehensive is a less loaded word though very few analyses achieve even that aim. I have never seen a claimed Holistic analysis or proposition live up to its title. I am happy if people manage pretty thorough.
You then use this and the odds of the other rounds to extrapolate the overall odds – 50/50, (although of course you don’t show your workings.)
I recall that TBB showed his working so I didn’t bother. Try this linked site, and remember my prokections of 80:20 or 70:30 was purely illustrative, but htey do not affect the principle ie.e that the odds on cumulative events shorten , whether they are independent or dependent, it is just the leveraging of the odds that are affected. And a final projection of 50:50 was informed guesswork too- I think TBB showed it was less than 50:50, but that is from my unreliable memory. The point is not that we are not favourites to qualify from 4 ties but that our odds are longer than they look if you look on each tie independently
https://www.statisticshowto.com/probability-and-statistics/probability-main-index/how-to-find-the-probability-of-two-events-occurring-together/
But consider this. Once the first round is played and Celtic advance the odds of the first round whether they were 80/20, 100/1 or 1/100 are irrelevant.
The game is won and the outcome is known, therefore by the certainty of that outcome, rather than the projected probability, the odds are changed.
Why do you deny this?
I didn’t and I don’t. I said as clearly as I could that I was quoting the odds on a successful Qualifying Campaign , not the odds on achieving Q4 AFTER Q1-3 has been achieved. I stated quite clearly that bookies will adjust their odds to shorten them because people will be then betting on a one-off event.
In the same way, people who bet on us beating our first round opponents will be offered much shorter odds than those asking for a bet on us winning all 4 ties. And, since you can be knocked out of CL at any of the 4 stages, your odds of getting to the end of Q4 tiumphant are dependant on winning the previous 3 and must be included in your appraisal of how likely Celtic are to qualify (not how likely they are to win the Q4 tie).
So, arguing what the odds are of a one off Q4 event, does not tell us what are the odds of Celtic getting through to Round 4 and then winning. You have to calculate what are the chances that they would or could have lost at Q1, Q2 and Q3. As they are dependant events ( you don’t get to contest Q2 unless you win Q1, you have to multiply the odds each time. What the odds are are up to you or the bookie to calculate but,a s they are never 100:0 (even in a Real Madrid vs North kelvinside Brownies under 8’s- a lightning strike could take out half the real team leading to an award of points to the plucky Brownshirts), they will always diminish with each passing round.
omicron delta = media control
who would’ve thunk it!
INIQUITOUSIV on 11TH DECEMBER 2021 4:55 PM
Not much warmth in that Klopp – Gerrard handshake at the end.
Correct absolutely none. Slippy’s dark art of players falling all over the place. Beale’s hand still up slippy’s ar$e😀
Slippy is getting nowhere near anfield with that brand of football.
Kievan Devlin, who he?
https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/celtic-news/celtic-kieran-devlin-drops-worrying-injury-insight/
The injuries are because Ange is a one trick pony.
Tippy Tappy and start again is rubbish.
Kieran