All week I’ve been telling myself that it is a healthy thing that discriminatory chanting has come under the spotlight prior to Euro 2012. The world needs to focus on those who are unable to find an outlet for their testosterone without picking on the vulnerable.
We know all about discriminatory chanting in Scotland, you could say, we’re up to our knees in it, so I’ve been slightly uncomfortable at the tone to some of the reporting about Poland and Ukraine. It feels a bit like we’ve decided, ‘They have it too, let’s talk about them. Not us’. When I say “us”, I don’t mean you, of course.
Fair enough, I thought, let’s bring this issue out, but at the start of the second half between Netherlands and Denmark when BBC commentator Jonathan Pearce reported “We haven’t heard any racist comments here today. Not when the young, black, Dutch left back got the ball, or at any other time” I figured this is more about xenophobia than racism. Xenophobia about Eastern Europe.
We’re no wiser about how to deal with our testosterone-fuelled under-achievers with a purpose to find than anyone else. In fact, we’re worse for allowing our intellectuals to indulge in the last refuge of the scoundrel.
My money is on the Polish and Ukrainian fans emerging from this tournament with a better reputation than some of their Western European counterparts.
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Fortunes Favour
:))
Ha…Aye she’ Not bad….but no Holly Willouby
The Scottish Sunday Papers will be making a desperate read for those orcs who have mastered that skill.
The game’s well and truly hit the buffers.
Mere damage limitation and a fine mess to clean up.
Stupid,stupid huns.
HT @ 01:27
You can’t be blamed for your own taste.
As it happens, Mrs FFM is significantly more physcially attractive.. So that is a tribute to the charm that Ms Hynes possesses.
Sadly though, as it stands, she’s another one I’d have to knock back just cos Mrs FFM has a jealous disposition. Burds !
Holly Willoughby, now there’s a wumman!!!
Sixteen roads @ 01:29
:))) It’s cos you have previous intit.
HT @ 01:30
One of my favs. Big George D always did a cracking version of that one at Jintys on the Sunday afternoons, where our own Lenny was occasionally glad to enjoy an hour or two. Good times. Outstanding song.
You’ve got me wondering, did Christy write that one? Don’t think he did actually, will have a look into it…
FFM
No it was written by a guy Hames(?) from Grimsby about being paid off from a biscuit factory.
Are you a west end bhoy?
Scarlett Johansson would be my choice,not the type to marry,but just for one night would do just fine.
By all means,have the dirty cats fellas,but never fall for them.Always stick by your own woman,the one that makes the bed,does the washing,make ye nice food and most importantly…listens to yer tripe talk.
HT,
Mibbes, I grew up in the Milton and then moved there when 14, and was there til late 20s.
Jinty’s on Sunday afternoon was the biz for me. It was in the late 90s i had the pleasure of experiencing more and more of the Lanarkshire cultyer :))
sixteen roads @ 01:43
Agree.
Any advice on how to get her to do all that would be MUCHOS GRACIOS !! :)
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 10 June, 2012 at 01:36 said:
Nah mate,not me.I have only the swore once on here in the past four months(due to drink and sunstroke),and i haven’t insulted anybody yet either.
Far too old for all that carry on i am,and i don’t really talk about politics.
Ah well,such is life.
FFM
Did you attend St Augustine’s Primary?
sixteen roads,
It’s not a personal monitor, just bad luck. Think it’s an automatic system that monitor’s your text.
I mind the WGS discussions. It’s nowt to do with that amigo, just a word you’e used somewhere that has flagged you on a system. It’ll clear soon enough.
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 10 June, 2012 at 01:48 said:
PMSL – Well mate ya have to be able to make yer girl….i wouldn’t want to specify the details on a family website! Nah just text her that ye love her every once in a while,and pretend that you are listening to her tripe talk,even though you are a million miles away.
HeadMeltersCSC.
HT,
I certainly did, and am glad you asked.
Lived on Lidd. Rd, and had a great upbringing there.
We had the pleasure of a Cotters’ Tour Buses trip to CP as Mrs Cotter was the HM. I also recall a visit from Packie Bonner to the school to do Q & A.
I asked him his thoughts on the free market economy and he dingied me though :(((
Good times :))))
Fortunes Favour Mibbes on 10 June, 2012 at 01:52 said:
Not a bother chief.
Anyway goodnight and God bless ye mate and all Celtic supporters.
Slan.
FFM
From an earlier post I think you must be around 39(?).
If so do you remember a Mrs Cassidy?
sixteen roads @ 01:54
Have done all that. Now she is starting to ignore me.
Three possibles here:
1. She is playing me at my own game.
2.. She respects my requests for less harassment.
3. She is seeing someone else.
TheLoveGame CSC
HT,
Bang on with the age.
Mrs Cassidy? Name rings a bell, but most of the teachers I can remember 100%. It’s possible my brother was taught by her for a couple of years actually, but not me, hence only the recollection of the name. Was taught by a Mr Healey…brilliant teacher.
Fergie on Stein…………The way he describes his recollections is with admiration and fond memories, May be a Ran**rs man – but never a hun.
http://viewer.celticfc.net/movieoftheday
Teuchter
Fergie’s warm words on Jock are well known.
It just grates a bit that he can still celebrate a hun goal knowing all he does.
I don’t think that’s an unreasonable concern, and actually puts a serious question on his humanity imo.
Teuchter ár lá
Sorry, should have addressed that to you amigo.
FFM
Thinh she would have been there back then but can’t be sure.
All change in the Milton these days, for a start yer auld school has gone :-))
I used to go to Jintys on occasion on a Sunday afternoon and it would be around the time you mentioned although McNees in the soo side was better though a bit more raucous :-)))
100Bn euros, ffs.
Would someone point out “the baw is burst”
FFM
Aye, Fergie’s competitive nature – that we seen with Aberdeen – was probably inspired by the treatment he received from the huns.
I have always found him very gracious to our heroes and I judge him on that. However, there is that wee celebration at Ibrox that I’m not too sure of also….Maybe showing face with his hosts?
Hail Hail
Teuchter
HT,
Trying to mind, and I think the name was there…but bein a Homer S type the memory of the name is replaced by a sec. teacher I had.
Re Jinty’s, were you the bearded one called Scott who jumped around bouncing off folk every Sunday until being embarrassed and humbled by smashin up George’s guitar? :))
St A’s Primary was a major part of who I am now. Will never forget it, or those I grew up with. I’ll say one thing…we had a decent football team, but I was the weakest link (in defence), and did a stupid dummy that cost us a vital goal. Was going to jump in on a convo a month ago from some fella talking about Ruchill’s Our Lady of the Assumption’s, when he was boasting about their record against us. They were our main rivals, and always hammered us :) Shower of b’s. :))))
Teuchter ár lá @ 02:12
It’s a fair point you make amigo. In some ways he’s stood up against the hunnery, but moments like that are odd.
Mibbes we need to accept that it’s ingrainged in the culture and needs gradual change. That’s not a unreasonable point of view. Peer pressure and all the other reasons are why it continues. I think from our point of view we would just love it if someone had the balls or intelligence to come out and say it like it is, and his relatiosnship with Jock should be enough imo. That’s why it was disappointing to me. Sorry, thinking aloud, in actual fact, he should be using his powerful position in football to declare all this imo. Why he won’t…….only he knows.
FFM
Naw I never have nor will have a beard so that won’t have been me :-))
Right I’m off to watch that interview of Fergie, if you haven’t read it, his autobiography is a great read and a good insight into the type of man he is.
Pleasure as always mate.
HT,
Yep, pleasure chattin as always ! :)
Pleased to see Cha moved on. Hopefully a few to follow on… Always easier to sell from a winning position….
FFM
Agreed mate – In his position he could have blown the corruption in our game apart years ago.
In my experience, it dosen’t matter how many new friends you make – the “auld friends” are the the ones you remember dearest.
Hail Hail
Teuchter
Cults,
Glad to see you here, as wanted to ask for your help.
Where’s a good place to take a group of boys aged 4-12 next weekend Aberdeen way? Football wise is fine as well…..
Teuchter ár lá
Aye, agree totally.
Especially applies in Scotia.
Makes me think that WGS deserves more kudos :)) Seriously. He takes his integrity seriously and doesn’t see it a financial commodity.
Do me a favour, anyone that has a hunfiltrator login on one of theirs evil sites, mibbes its time to let them see this video or similar:
They might still try and blame Lenny for all that is wrong with their club, but mibbes now they can start asking did THEY bring it on THEMselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLn6uFbfEw
Fortune
How many? Where are you based?
What kind of thing you after?
Weather dependant…
Aberdeen beach good as there is a fun park Cadonas – they can do laser fighting, crazy golf , 10 pin bowling etc as well as some rides that are good for that age group- all day pass are about £10
Plenty of places to eat there as well..
If you want more cultured gig maritime museum in city good.
Lots of castles, transport museum etc ..
If more active then transition xtreme good for skateboarding BMX rock climbing wall..
Depends where you are based.
There are racists in Europe…?
Who would have thought…?
Solving the problem was always easier by looking elsewhere for the answer but how can you find a national answer for something that is cooked to suit the palette of local tastes
The ideology of we are the people and will be the people is fundamental to the structure of fascism
You have to have an underclass for a political upper class to stay in power
One wonders why in 2012 the old class politics still rules considering the lessons of the past
The wealth of this world belongs to every single person in it
Every person deserves their fair share of this earths now limited resources
Looking forward to the day when what’s left is all shared out by choice not necessity
doubleplusgood.csc
FFM
Aye, Fergie listened to Stein and Strachan listened to Fergie –
I hope Lenny listened to Strachan:)
Teuchter
Well well well ….look who’ s crawled out…..
From Scotsman
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Interview: Campbell Ogilvie, SFA president
Campbell Ogilvie says he signed off the accounts in good faith. Picture: SNS
Campbell Ogilvie says he signed off the accounts in good faith. Picture: SNS
By ANDREW SMITH
Published on Sunday 10 June 2012 00:22
SFA president Campbell Ogilvie answers questions from Andrew Smith on his time as secretary and director of Rangers and the Ibrox club’s use of Employee Benefit Trusts (EBTs). Ogilvie himself received £95,000 from Rangers through EBTs.
Q: Did you see the BBC documentary on Rangers, The Men Who Sold The Jerseys?
A: I was away at the FIFA Congress, but I did see it when I came back.
Q: A striking issue to come out of that was an alleged payment to Graeme Souness. Were you surprised by that?
A: No, I wasn’t aware of that. I wasn’t aware of who individually was involved.
Q: Can you see there being an issue with you being SFA president at a time when there is an ongoing SPL investigation into non-disclosure of payments at Rangers that you are directly linked to? You were a director and the secretary who signed off the accounts in November 2001. At that time the EBT scheme was in operation and players were receiving payments that weren’t in their contracts.
A: I was secretary up until 2002. That’s correct. I was a director, that’s correct.
Q: Did you never see there could be a potential conflict using EBTs to pay footballers?
A: No, not at that time, not at all. I didn’t do the contracts. I might have signed some documents from time to time. I certainly didn’t do the player negotiations, I didn’t do the contracts.
Q: But you signed off the accounts…
A: I signed off the accounts in good faith, quite simply.
Q: Without the knowledge of what was in these accounts? Was that remiss of you?
A: The EBTs as a total were in the accounts. There wasn’t a breakdown of individual players to the best of my knowledge.
Q: They were mentioned as a total. But then nothing is given individually, with total salary costs and so on. Wouldn’t there be an expectation secretaries would normally involve themselves in contracts?
A: This is the point I’m making, I wasn’t involved in the negotiations of contracts. If I signed off the accounts it has been in good faith. I was company secretary by name, no hiding from that point. We had accountants and lawyers. I’m not an accountant, I’m not a lawyer. I’m a football administrator. At that time I wasn’t dealing with contracts.
Q: As a director and secretary you had no knowledge of the way players were paid?
A: Correct. I knew there were player contracts, naturally. There were some EBTs that came in 2001. Now the depth or the detail of these EBTs, I don’t know who got the individual EBTs at that time.
Q: Was there anything you saw in the [BBC] programme that would change your mind about how EBTs operated?
A: I did say when we met in March there were no side contracts. That is the case to the best of my knowledge. The question is probably how the EBTs operated and this is the matter the SPL are looking at.
Q: As secretary you would have registered the contracts with the appropriate football bodies presumably?
A: No. That’s what I’m saying. I didn’t deal with player contracts at that time.
Q: Who was responsible?
A: Whoever was dealing with the financial side. You’ve got to go back in time here. Football contracts used to be a straightforward one sheet of paper. Over time contracts, like any sponsorship, contracts became quite complicated.
Q: At what time did you become aware EBTs were going to become a problem?
A: I took one on myself. I didn’t have any of my salaries paid through them. It was three bonuses, as I said back in March, that I got through EBTs. And when I left the club part of my settlement agreement was through EBTs. There is no way I would have taken an EBT on when I was leaving the club if I thought there was an issue with them.
Q: No suggestion of any wrongdoing on your part, but do you not feel your stewardship there is embarrassing or tainted? Do you not look back and think “I was there through all this”?
A: Listen, I’m going to put my hands up. I was there. I’m not disputing that. I was secretary, no matter what the duties were. For a year of that period from 2001 to 2002 I was a director. Probably a lot of you know the way the club operated. There wasn’t that frequent board meetings. You certainly wouldn’t necessarily know – I’m sure the other directors didn’t even know – who was receiving EBTs. That’s just the way the club was. I’m not going to hide from anything. I’m just telling you a fact that I didn’t know individually who was getting the EBTs.
Q: Do you feel negligence on your part, there is a perception of negligence…
A: There’s a difference between perception and reality. It wasn’t my duty to carry it out. I don’t feel negligent, no not at all.
Q: Did you ever think about stepping down until the investigation is over?
A: If I felt it was causing the organisation bigger issues and they felt, the board felt, the members felt – then sure, if that was the case, absolutely. If it was put to me to stand down while this was carried out, and if that was the feeling of the board and the members or whoever, absolutely. I haven’t seen a need to do that. You keep coming back to a perception. I’ve heard that I set up the whole scheme. You’d think with the amounts mentioned I was there for the whole time. And that I’ve been responsible for the whole of that. There’s a perception out there. You wouldn’t be questioning me today if it wasn’t for the role I’ve currently got, I appreciate that. I would have disappeared over the sunset probably. I’ve put everything on the table back in March – that hasn’t changed.
Q: Has it changed the way you view your time at Rangers?
A: Hindsight is a great thing, and if I had known some of the issues that are coming up I might have done things differently, I don’t know. Would I have taken an EBT when I left the club? Probably not, if I had known all this but everything was above board, there was no reason to question it. Somebody asked me the question, when did it become apparent there was a question mark about the EBTs. You tell me, when was it [around 2008]. I was away in 2005. I am not hiding from anything here, I am just stating the fact, but the last three years my role at Ibrox had changed quite dramatically. I moved on to director of football strategy. I was doing less and less and I am not hiding from anything, I am just stating the fact. That is one of the reasons I left the club – because I was less and less involved.
Q: How damaged do you feel by your association with that period at Rangers?
A: Damaged? I don’t feel damaged as such. I certainly appreciate I was there at that time and people will associate me with some of the issues at that time. I can’t hide from that – I was there – and people will have to draw their own conclusions from the facts as they come out.
Q: What kind of reaction have you had from the rank and file of the clubs?
A: To me, they have been very supportive and the board have been very supportive. From day one, I said I cannot be part of any discussion on Rangers. I have stood down from any involvement on the Rangers side of the debate. That was clear from day one from my side and from the SFA side that had to be the case. Now if I am causing the SFA a problem, and the board felt that and the clubs felt that, I would stand down – but there are all these other issues still have to be dealt with. If in any way I am causing them an issue and the SPL investigation is coming up whenever, it is started now, we will see the outcome of that. And if the members of the SFA or the board want me to stand down that is the way it will be. If that is not the case, then we will discuss it.
Q: If Rangers become a newco, the decision has to be taken whether they will be allowed in the SPL or start again in the SFL. Some Rangers supporters think they should take their medicine and start at the Third Division. Do you think it should be a footballing decision or financial decision?
A: I’m sure it’ll be done for football integrity.
Q: Do you really think that?
A: Yes. It has to be.