Wee Oscar’s dad, Knoxy, asked me to relay this message to you……
“The BIG cycle to Belfast… WOW! What an absolutely incredible effort by so so many people all to raise money for our wee hero, and a great night was had by all on Saturday night up at Donegal Celtic. It is very very humbling and I really felt that my thanks conveyed to them all on Saturday night was just not enough. I know they didn’t do it for thanks or for a pat on the back but I really hope they know that both me and Leona are deeply deeply moved by what they have done.
Over the last 9 months we have thanked many hundreds of people for all sorts of different things they have done for Oscar and I’m sure after a while the thanking almost comes across a bit ‘rehearsed’ and maybe a bit insincere but we just want to make sure they all know how thankful we are to them and to the amazing people who have donated to such a whopping total!”
Fantastic work by all, very well done.
Celtic have conceded 16 goals in the 9 games since Efe Ambrose’ much debated return to the team which faced Juventus last month, a period which saw them eliminated from the Champions League and the League Cup, while losing to Motherwell and Ross County.
They conceded 16 goals in the previous 24 games, including two Champions League games against Barcelona, one against Benfica and one against Spartak Moscow. A problem which initially appeared to be limited to Efe, has clearly affected others, including Kelvin Wilson and even the goalkeeper looks less assured than before.
More than any other facet of football, defending is dependent on confidence and teamwork. If communication is poor, you make mistakes. If you expect teammates to make mistakes, you’ll make decisions accordingly. If your decisions reflect a lack of confidence, you’re on a slippery slope to losing goals. Bad defenders look good in good teams but good defenders look hopeless once order is disturbed.
Only just catching up with the antics on Gallowgate on Saturday. Not read about the destruction of property or occasions of assault, which I assume preceded the mass arrests. Surely? I’m not sure if Alex Salmond has renewed the high levels of police funding for football-related activity, which was initially due to expire at the end of this month, but for someone who is usually so politically savvy, he seems to have set off on a road without checking consequences of the legal questions.
A bit like his major project…..
Where we are today is a consequence of the First Minister’s initiatives in 2011, and is why Celtic fans, the Club, and many others, opposed the initiative at the time. It’s playing out pretty much as everyone with an interest in football expected. Mr Salmond’s Scotland is looking a bit like Mrs Thatcher’s Yorkshire, circa 1984.
You’re as well blaming the inclement weather as blaming the police or anyone in the game, the police, like the weather, do what they do. This is the work of the Other Charlotte Square Bogeyman.
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I tell you what, boys – this came as a bit of a shock –
http://www.somethinelse.com/content/projects/kojo
Whodathunkit?!!
Dontpatmadug,
Wholeheartedly agree.
Weeminger, COL polis have no jurisdiction in Scotland. They were assisted by SP.
Oh here, 13. I was right there was I not. Not 28 plus.
Bhoy 42, again I ask, would you have risked a tanking for a lavvy that was going to be paid for anyway. Wee bit of common sense son. Not much of it on here today…
The entire Strathclyde Police force are card carrying Rangers supporting full-blown Nazis..etc etc. v
Aiden where are you getting this from. With every post you sound like some desperate copper in the witness box who has forgot his notebook.
DontPatmadug 16:53 on 18 March, 2013
jimmci 16:51 on 18 March, 2013
“If it is shown that PL has colluded with the police with regards the intimidation of Celtic supporters he has got to go.”
Why would he do that?
Steinreignedsupreme
16:57 on 18 March, 2013
I dont know or care why.
Gebhoy@16:16 thanks for the link,not suprised in the least concerning Lawell and Hawthorne but O’rourke should hang his head in shame.
Keep the links coming.
KTF
Chavez
Magic :O)
Brother…..aye they were arrested later after a video was posted on you-tube…and people were rightly annoyed that some rozzers just watched.
As for what I would do? My job. Which would probably meant back-up.
So from the 2 examples given, one your own, it looks like you have needed outside help for action to be taken.
As for the actions of your ‘brothers’, lets not go there as it would be an unfair fight……a bit like police with batons against bhoys
HH!
DontPatmadug 17:00 on 18 March, 2013
“I dont know or care why.”
So, you don’t think it’s likely to happen then?
The 2 policemen who stood and watched while a group of people wrecked a toilet within CP showed ‘common sense’.
I call it cowardice.
It appears that there are two groups emerging who are proposing to withdraw their support from Celtic.
One group who will not continue to support the club unless Scottish football is cleaned up, whether they perceive Celtic to be complicit or not.
The other group will not continue to support the club unless Celtic allow the leaders of the GB to dictate the rules of the stadium.
A double whammy for the club, I fear.
Who will be left?
Those who just want to see a game of football at Celtic Park.
Patmadug, not evading your question thought I had said they are all looked at on an individual basis. The action taken on Saturday is the whole point. It was over the top and needs to be justified. I wasnt there and neither was anyone else who is on here today.
If it is concluded that the policing on saturday was wrong then someone should be sacked. If Peter Lawell has an agenda against the fans he should be sacked.
Clear enough?
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate – 16:56 on 18 March, 2013
I think on financial crimes they actually do as it was not the Met, who are responsible for policing in Greater London but the City of London Police, who deal with crimes in the Square Mile. However that’s beside the point because the raid was carried out at their behest and Strathclyde Police would have had no option but to assist them.
And while I don’t feel as strongly as some do about their motivations, the ordering of and reasons for the raid on Ibrox were nothing to do with Strathclyde.
Police and common sense, aye they have form
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z3CciyMTqA
Steinreignedsupreme
Honestly don’t know, lot of twitter chat regarding it.
I would hope that he has not. But there are fractures appearing
between the support and the suits.
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate
Crystal :))
Chavez……
Aye’Bodie ….Knows….
That Oor Kojo Is Green & White…..
And Incredibly…………….Old
http://www.khaentertainment.com/index.php/costume-rental/dino-costume
I take it lads that if your house is burgled or your wife or weans are assaulted you wont be calling the nazi polis lol….. going by your comments like…
Angela Haggerty Blog
Police were “commendable” at banned demonstration by UAF with no arrests – an hour before policing chaotic Green Brigade march
18 March 2013
It has emerged that just an hour before the Green Brigade march in Glasgow on Saturday, a political protest group openly defied direct police orders to hold a demonstration – without a single resulting arrest.
Unite Against Fascism (UAF) held a counter-demonstration to a planned display by the Scottish Defence League (SDL) to mark the anniversary of the death of Kriss Donald, who was murdered in 2004 by an asian gang. Despite making no formal request to hold a demonstration or alert police, an organiser had a letter delivered to him by hand, signed by acting Chief Constable Campbell Corrigan of Strathclyde police, three days before the event, warning the organisers not to proceed in their intended area in Pollokshields. The group openly defied the orders but none of those attending – around 200 people, including a Glasgow city councillor and community organisers – were arrested.
One man who attended the event described the police’s handling of the event as “commendable”, with no trouble ensuing.
A short time later, police officers made their way across the city after hearing reports of a march to the football game between Celtic and Aberdeen, organised by Celtic fan group the Green Brigade, to raise awareness of Scottish government legislation they say criminalises football fans.
At the march, again with around 200 people in attendance, 13 people were arrested for alleged public order offences. Strathclyde police cited that the marchers had been an “attempting to stage an illegal street procession”. Marchers were kettled by 200 police officers, who the police service confirmed had originally been deployed to cover other events in the city, and the footage of events has led to calls from members of the public and Glasgow politicians for an inquiry into the police’s handling of the situation.
While police claim the Green Brigade event was an attempt to stage an illegal street procession, it is unclear why events a short time before, policed by the same officers, in direct defiance of police orders and without permission, was handled differently.
In the three-page letter delivered to UAF organisers, Campbell Corrigan made clear that the police considered any demonstration by the UAF in Pollokshields to be a threat to public order, and instructed that it be held at Glasgow’s St Enoch Square: “I reasonably believe that the intended public assembly which you are organising may result in serious public disorder, or serious disruption to the life of the community and, to that end, give this direction imposing the following conditions in terms of Section 14 (2) (b) of the Public Order Act 1986.
“You should be aware that it is an offence for someone organising a public assembly to knowingly fail to comply with the condition imposed in accordance with Section 14 of the 1986 Act.
“For the avoidance of doubt, the conditions I impose on your intended assembly may be summarised as follows:-
It is to be held this Saturday on 16th March between 11am and 11.30am
It is to be held at the west aspect of St Enoch Square to the west of the Travel Centre within the area marked in blue on the attached map
It will comprise not more than 200 persons”
The source who brought the letter to my attention told me he considered the behaviour of the police “draconian” and said the organisers continued as planned with their demonstration, openly defying direct and clearly laid out orders from Strathclyde police, without arrest or disruption to public order.
The demonstration was considered high risk by Strathclyde police because two opposing political groups were scheduled to hold their events at the same time over a sensitive issue in the community. Both groups were contacted by the police force in advance of the planned demonstrations.
Across the city at the Gallowgate, football fans began gathering to march to Celtic Park, with a heavy police presence quickly arriving. Strathclyde police said approximately 200 officers attended, some on horseback. Around 20 police vans surrounded the marchers, with a police helicopter hovering above.
Witnesses at the event described seeing police wielding batons – claims corroborated by mobile phone footage taken by several onlookers and posted online.
A police statement said 13 arrests were made for alleged public order offences and that some in the crowd “were wearing similar hooded tops and using scarfs to hide their identities”. The police statement went on to say the marchers had become confrontational and aggressive, although the claims have been disputed by those in attendance.
Bryce Curdy…
p8ddy – nice to see you back on CQN this last while.
Thank you! :)
Always enjoyed your posts while often disagreeing. Can’t believe you’re defending this ludicrous legislation though which started with the ludicrous premise that both sides were equally guilty and then set about creating a law to reflect that position.
I’m absolutely NOT defending this legislation. Not a bit of it. It’s poor, and frankly dangerous legislation giving far too many discretionary powers to the police. I am however defending the people who framed it – I don’t believe it was drawn up maliciously.
The bill should never have got through. The mark of our Government is what they do about it. I’ll be very disappointed if the answer is “nothing”.
/p
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate
stick to policing burglaries and assaults and we will all get on fine ‘brother’.
DontPatmadug 17:10 on 18 March, 2013
I’d be stunned if PL was involved in anything like that.
But I agree there is danger of a split unless people start talking.
greenyinfurrafenian…
anarchist/communist? do anarchists believe in political systems? on scots independance, do anarchists vote? mibbes anarchists do it different these days
You’re confusing anarchism with chaocracy, ie the lack of any form of rule. Anarchism is based on consensus and collectivism.
I believe in absolute equality, and I don’t vote for someone because he or she “will know what to do”. I vote for a public servant to do just that, serve the public. My ideal world would see a complete dissolution of all political parties and representatives elected on an independent basis.
/p
Steinreignedsupreme
I feel the last 12 months have been as traumatic for us tims as it has been
for the huns. We have witnessed them getting away with years of underhandedness
and downright cheating. Now it seems a section of our support are being victimized and intimidated and there does not seem to be any leadership or protection coming from those charged with the stewardship of OUR club.
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate
Understand why there was so many police at GB, after sdl march fizzled
out but why was the tactics not changed. The polis acted the whole time
as if they were dealing with a hostile, offensive and threatening crowd
as i imagine the sdl would be.
.
Who would be responsible for the call to use such tactics.
A lot of people in this world have used the excuse of only following orders
especially those commiting crimes against ordinary people.
Hail Hail
monteblanco, take it thats a no then, good man. Hope you stand by your principles and never have the need to call for help.
Lots of blinkered and set opinions on here today.
A no to what?
A no to expect you to protect and serve me? Why would I?
Lets not fall out ((((((((big cyber cuddles)))))))) to you brother
too little, too late?
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate
17:27 on 18 March, 2013
‘monteblanco, take it thats a no then,’
Which suggests you’re either too stupid to understand, or too arrogant to accept, the response you received.
Are you a plod?
pggtips2
Are the nats suggesting that the Council ban Orange walks?
I might suggest you look at other regions where the SNP are the controlling party – where there are far fewer Orange walks. The proof is in the pudding.
What happens when the OO go to court and get the bans overturned and are awarded expenses? Are the nats offering to pick up the bill?
Another argument another rhetorical fallacy. In order to answer the latter I have to accept the former. Which I don’t. Bans overturned? On what basis? (other than you imagine some bans would get overturned and proceed forward with your argument on that flawed logic and fantasy).
Other regions have far fewer walks. They don’t seem beset with court action. Further, the City Council in Glasgow has for years ignored the breaking of prohibitions for marches. Turned a blind eye to breaches that could have seen a vast reduction in marching.
But you need to make your mind up – is it right to try and ban the marches or too expensive to be convenient so you’ll just put up with them?
thetimrieper , Hi,
No idea for the different approach. I suspect that some of the decision making is down to aspects such as protecting or enhancing promotion prospects. There is a deep fear of offending minorities such as the asian community and anything demo-wise including a minority group is treated with kid gloves. Football supporters on the other hand are I suspect fair game, the GB are an easy target. Saturday will be bad news for whoever was in charge.
Steinreignedsupreme @ 1715,
Prepare yourself to be stunned, listen to the link at around 120 mins, Glasgow Road sat in on the meetings with PL and other officials, PL does not want the Green Brigade at Celtic Park, people including Glasgow Road have tried to organise meetings between the club and the GB to no avail.
There will be a schism between the fans and the club very quickly if this is not seriously addressed, both the committee of the Affilliation and the CSA had better start representing their members views instead of deciding on behalf of their members what views to take!
gebhoy
DontPatmadug 17:25 on 18 March, 2013
The last year or so has been an eye opener in many ways, but not quite as traumatic for us.
Despite the spin, denial and lies – there is no comeback from liquidation.
But as I said before people have to get talking face to face – that way there are no misunderstandings.
ernie lynch, take it your remark was aimed at me.
No. I am not a polis…. next question see if you get warmer.
Stupid or arrogant ? ernie you display those qualities too well for me to accept the accolade.
Efe should not be hung out to dry. He is not a bad Player. All that has happened is a loss if form. He us not alone either so we should not crticise him in isolation. There are three other defenders and of course there is the GK. We should also not forget the midfield, if they apply themselves properly it helps the defence. Questions also need asking of some our forwards.
We should not make Efe out to be the scapegoat, there have been more than one that has not been performing to their capabilities…Amen.
Keep the Faith!
Hail Hail!
BrotherAidanIwisnaelate
Hopefully heads will roll ,not holding my breath though.
HH
gebhoy is the taxmans tick tocking clock, tick…tock
17:34 on
18 March, 2013.
Can’t get the link on my phone , what does Lawwell say regarding Green Brigade ?
HH
Steinreignedsupreme
17:35 on 18 March, 2013
But as I said before people have to get talking face to face – that way there are no misunderstandings.
Apparently there have been face to face talks. The problem may be who is doing the talking. Very easy for people to get their heads turned.