We now know that Craig Whyte met Neil Doncaster and Ralph Topping, directors of the SPL, in London in October 2011 and informed them of the likelihood that Rangers would go into liquidation. Whyte’s plan, to start a Newco and have it parachuted into top flight football was only taken seriously as a result of these three having a head start on everyone else and doing some preparatory work.
Charles Green has no such plans. If he loses Ibrox, becomes embroiled in IPO-related troubles or fails to bridge the gap between money-in and money-out, an unplanned liquidation could follow with a potentially protracted period where physical assets are moribund and playing assets and other staff are released.
The SPL and SFL would do well to consider ‘what next?’ when they hold separate meetings next week. The century-old ways are gone, things will never be the same again.
I’m really pleased the aforementioned Charlie issued an apology for his offending comments, even if he did so under duress from the SFA. This kind of rhetoric has taken control within football in some European countries. Once the door is open it is hard to close it again.
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I’d much prefer to see a grown up adult debate in the pros and cons of Independance across the spectrum of policies rather than just one stupid law.
Getting a bit sick of scaremongering politics and politicians!
If it keeps going the way it’s going I’m more likely to decide to not vote, pack up and go live abroad were I can get treated like an edgit with the bonus of good weather.
MWD
Doc is Neil Lennon @20:30 I suspect that many of these banning orders are illegal and will be shown as such if challenged. The whole procedure is a contravention of human rights.
But this does not stem from the Salmond Act.
The Legless Loon promising the ‘inside story’ on this week’s events involving Charlatan – tomorrow. HERE. In the morning.
This is going to be his best since his: “Remember, Craig Whyte is an expert poker player” line – a week before administration hit the old club.
Those pesky Basel fans with their atmosphere and flares, sure to be a government summit the morra..
Streller sleeping twice for Basel
Moonbeams you can get treated like an eejjit on here with the added bonus of knowing you are in good company.
St John Doyle
It’s no different from what most govts are doing to their societies.
What will be the benefits of staying in the union and getting shafted as a nation on social economic policies?
MWD
“Mince” …..that is all…!!
ntassoolla
I was under the impression this was a direct result of the Salmond Act.
Where does it stem from?
Moonbeams, any photos from Saturday?
I’ll be putting something in writing over the weekend, I’ll email you a copy for adjustments comments etc.
theweegreenman
20:33 on 11 April, 2013
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have a wee look at the new book by Gavin Bowd Fascist Scotland, this book when it was reviewed last week in the Scotland on Sunday was attacked by the cyber nats as talking down our country and referring to periods of history that was long gone.
The SNP like to forget about their fascist support for Hitler and their anti-Catholic past it is inconvenient but true.
I will stick to the Cider and reminding nats of their embarrassing past the book is available from Amazon and all other good stores.
ntassoolla
You asked who had been punished without trial , I answered you . Now you appear to be backing up my answer by saying these banning orders could be illegal .
Why did you ask that question in the first place ?
Doc
MWD has been valiantly air brushing those photos before publishing just in case any of our ugly mugs frighten the weans.
Ntassoolla- what about the boy Dion whose name was broadcast on national news tonight- already named and then found not guilty- only for the clumsy PR attempt by the Crown office to announce that they were “considering” an appeal. Dont you think that making him a target for knuckledragging bigots and embarrassing him and his family is punishment?
leftclicktic
18:37 on
11 April, 2013
Vmhan
Will you be up for St Johnstone game on 11th may
Kitalba fund help
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Sorry fell asleep, 5am rise is taking its toll ☑
Aye going mate.
V
I agree with you St.John.Doyle about the destruction of the data. It would appear to be reprehensible behaviour from the government. The rest of your scaremongering I don’t agree with.
Che, I was looking for one of you to keep the weans away from the fire;-)
SRS
Yes, Minty’s arse will have been well licked this week by his compliant “succulent lamb MSM”
More PR copy for them to write.
That journalism/reporting must be the easiest job in Scotland. Minty et al, just tell you what to print, and off you jolly well go!
Doc it was legislation introduced by Labour.
Honest.
Ntsoola- Doc is Neil Lennon @20:30 I suspect that many of these banning orders are illegal and will be shown as such if challenged.
The banning orders are part of the bail conditions for those charged- and as such the lawyers will be reluctant to challenge them in case the plod decide that remanding them until trial is a good idea
Leftclicktic
Won’t be long now then I’ll be popping the cork, not even raising a drink to the ten at the old witches passing to the gates of hell.
V
Doc
You forget what I’m employed as?
We’ve banned fires.
Defending the Union with fascist smears is a dangerous game
Sunday, 07 April 2013 21:41
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By Ken Ferguson
The furore around the disgusting graphic in the fast sinking Scotland on Sunday of a swastika on the saltire, and the accompanying ‘revelations’ about the supposed fascist content of the movement by a supposedly serious academic study, tells its own story.
The attempt to use the fascist sympathies of a tiny proportion of Scottish nationalists over 70 years ago to forge a link between the thuggish racism of the British National Party and the vibrant multicultural pluralistic Yes movement of today not only shames the credentials of the author – it is beneath contempt.
However those concerned about sniffing out links between fascists, Nazis and British politicians might profit by taking a look at the history of Westminster politics in the same period as Dr Bowd’s ‘study’ of Scotland.
No need to look for obscure members of small time organisations, for this part of the story has an A-list cast including the British Prime Minister, newspaper moguls, titled ladies and monarchs. From Hitler’s ascension to power in 1933 to the outbreak of World War 2, this stellar cast visited, wined and dined and cut deals with the Nazis.
Of course the policy known as ‘appeasement’, which involved compromise and concession to Hitler and Mussolini, is now presented by today’s ruling class as a bit of a mistake by a few misguided individuals – but this is some way from the truth.
The central aim of British policy in the inter-war period was the preservation of Empire and defeat of the Communists in the Soviet Union, and from that flowed a series of events which culminated in the cataclysm of World War 2.
At home substantial sections of the ruling elite cheered on Mosley’s Blackshirts with Lord Rothermere’s Daily Mail running the memorable headline “Hurrah for the Blackshirts” and praising them highly. It is less well known that its rival the Daily Mirror also supported the fascists, and published an editorial entitled “Give the Blackshirts a helping hand”.
The home counties stately home of Lord and Lady Astor, Cliveden House, was home to the infamous ‘Cliveden Set’ who held regular pro-Nazi salons which saw top establishment figures, MPs and the German ambassador Ribbentrop rubbing shoulders and cutting deals.
The insidious nature of the Cliveden crew was brilliantly exposed by leftwing former Times, then Daily Worker, journalist Claude Cockburn.
It went right to the top with the abdicated Edward 8th’s fascist views and it is well known that the wartime government sent him to be Governor of Bermuda to avoid the possibility of him becoming a pro-Nazi monarch if Hitler invaded Britain.
The fruits of this policy – which was overwhelmingly backed by the Westminster establishment were bitter indeed.
At every key point where decisive action might have checked Hitler the appeasers rolled over and let him have his way. So Austria was annexed into the Nazi Reich, the supposedly demilitarised Rhineland occupied by German forces, and most shamefully Czechoslavakia was dismembered and handed to Hitler on a plate.
This shameful record was lauded by the arch-appeaser Prime Minster Neville Chamberlain when he waved the worthless piece of paper with the Führer’s signature and proclaimed he had won “peace in our time” – only to be engulfed in war a matter of months later.
But in this sordid story the most shameful saga is that of Spain where the appeaser pretended to support ‘non intervention’ while allowing Hitler and Mussolini’s forces to defeat the elected government and ushered in nearly 40 years of fascism in Spain.
It is the reality that the British state helped Hitler and arguably paved the way for the tragedy of World War 2 which is the real scandal of UK politicians’ links with fascism, not the machinations of the publisher of a local paper in Forfar.
Unlike the modern SNP however, the heirs of the appeasers still cosy up to dictators abroad and still demonise the poor, immigrants, and so forth at home, with that same disgusting Daily Mail leading the charge.
Like their predecessors in the past they still desperately cling to the idea of Great Britan with nuclear weapons and a seat on the UN security council to validate it.
And of course this ‘great power’ fantasy is why they so bitterly oppose Scottish independence.
Could’ve sworn that was old Fergus sitting next to Hitzfeld!
ntassoolla, whilst happy to take your word for that, do you know the actual legislation?
I’m not doubting you here, I’d like to follow up the discussion.
Che, I’ll have it removed on H&S grounds!
Vmhan, there is a different reaction from Russian and Polish friends concerning Thatcher. They feel she helped them be free from Communist dictatorships. Those people endured actual fascism. Not us.
Moonbeams WD. Kano 1000 \o/ Supporting Neil Lennon 100%. Champions. C’mon Wee Oscar.
20:37 on 11 April, 2013
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Not many Govts go as far as the Nats well not in the UK they are in good company with what Thatcher created in the 1980s
The secret report that the SNP Finance Secretary took to the Cabinet in December and then kept quiet about it laid bare the SNP’s shambolic economic policy and all the Public services and pensions they could not afford in an independent Scotland so us Labour politicians don’t need to scaremonger they SNP are doing a great job for the No Campaign by producing a report that blows their fantasy Scotland out of the window
I see John Kay Salmond’s Economic guru from his panel of economic advisors is now punting the line in the herald today that because they will lose the first indyref then we need a second indyref shortly afterwards.
To save the SNP more embarrassment they would be as well admitting defeat now before promising free beer, whisky, childcare or anything else that will get them votes
Stairheedrammy @20:41 I’ve said before that part of the Lord Advocate’s job has been quietly shelved. The part where he is supposed to challenge and reign in the abuse of power by police and politicians.
This abandonment of duty has to be challenged through the courts and through elected representatives, and not be allowed to stand simply because of the threat of more of the same.
I got given this recliner and evrey time I use it I go out like a light……god knows how many footie games i’ve seen only fragments of.
It’s a big fabric valium.
Doc.
Police, Public Order and Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2006.
John O Neil
20:42 on 11 April, 2013
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I am a politician getting anyone to agree with me on 1 point is a result :))
St.John Doyle
You are starting to sound pretty desperate if you don’t mind me saying.
So the Nats hate the Irish, Catholics and loved Hitler?
Pffft. Very good.
To clarify, for anyone who is interested.
I think the banning orders have been obtained on dubious evidence presented by the police.
I’m confident that the threat of having to pay costs should you wish to appeal is illegal.
I also think a lot of lawyers in Scotland haven’t the cojones of their English counterparts.
St John Doyle
My biggest question however, as you are well aware, is this
Why do successive UK govts need Scotland and its 6 million population when they have over the years all stated that as a nation we are a drain on the exchequer? Surely its not just because the bastardised Union flag won’t look good without the blue of Scotland?
MWD
ntassoolla
Thanks.
Does anyone know if banning orders, applied when charged, were used prior to the introduction of the Offensive Behaviour Act?
Just trying to understand how things have been ramped up, or not, since the new legislation was enacted.
We did very well to come out of our CL group with Benfica in it. They are all good players on the ball and their centre backs are very good.
Doc
Who was the stocky guy with the reddish mop of hair probably late fifties in front of the banner?
If I was a betting man I would say kev jungle.
Breaking news – SFA statement on the introduction of goal line technology in England:-
“The SFA introduced Goat Line technology over 100 years ago for Celtic games and we don’t do walking away from it”.
HH
The Sherriff in the case of young Dion spoke a lot of sense and justice was done . Really was beginning to think he had a grasp on the reality of this unjust bill.
Then I read about his comments on sectarianism caused by denominational schools.
A twat after all!!