Billy Dodds, who was named by the BBC as a beneficiary of Rangers Employee Benefit Trust, wrote in today’s Sunday Herald on the subject. He alleges Rangers paid him money, which should have been taxed as income, through an EBT.
Dodds wrote, “David Murray came to me and asked if I would receive a payment that was due to me, after tax, through the EBT trust. And I said that I would. It was money that was owing to me when I had six months left on my contract and I moved to Dundee United. After the tax was deducted, that money was put in the trust fund.”
What happened to the “tax… deducted” is the crucial question. Dodds is clear. This was money due to him through his contract of employment which should have been taxed. The seriousness of the allegations against Rangers just cranked up a notch – and from a surprising source.
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Campbell Ogilvie still in a job, that in itself says all you need to know about Scottish Football it’s corrupt, always has always will be.
Tam Cowans humour might be brought into question at times, but to call him a bigot and a racist?
Get a grip.
ernie
no need, i know exactly what he was getting at
its a poor “joke” by Cowan – a “joke” many rangers fans have already told me
it sells the paper i suppose
kitalba,
As far as I know – yes. Recent extraditions have all been led by the Home Office – the mess over Abu Qatada was the most high profile case.
If clubs can’t, won’t, or won’t be held to account by the old rules by the governing authority, then pray what is the point of having a meeting and a vote to introduce new rules?
Congratulations to super Celt Paul Lambert who, on this day in 1997 became the first British footballer to secure a Champions League winners medal.
Algarvian on 28 May, 2012 at 10:56 said:
Tam Cowans humour might be brought into question at times, but to call him a bigot and a racist?
Get a grip.
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Ask the Priest who he insulted and branded a child molester at a Charity dinner if he thinks that?
ernie lynch on 28 May, 2012 at 10:52:
“My point is that Celtic don’t appear to be expect a newco huns to start off in the third division.”
Celtic are not alone. Many people on here hold that view. Personally, I don’t think the Huns will exist in any form next season, although I accept not many will agree with that.
The Huns have at least one chairman at a rival club speaking on their behalf, as well as virtually the entire Scottish media fighting their cause.
It would be naïve of Celtic to assume justice will automatically be done. Celtic can do their part, but the club has to see what others do before they respond.
UEFA spokesman —— responding to a question re the possibilities of there being ” racist incidents ” at the forthcoming Euros –
” UEFA’s zero tolerance approach to racism will be valid on and off the pitch and ultimately The Referee has the power to stop or abandon a match should racist incidents occur “
It stinks of the football equivelant of the Offensive behaviour bill.
I agree with you …… We need to concentrate on what we know now, and focus on ensuring there is no ‘nonsense’ when the newclub is announced….. We don’t want them anywhere near the SPL …….
Any other ‘developments’ will be at the legal Investigation stage for some time yet …..!!!!!
FOCUS ON THE CURRENT SITUATION, BHOYS …… the next few days are critical……
Steinreignedsupreme -for what it’s worth I agree with you; I think the ole Hillbillies are gettin’ off at the stop after Complete Oblivion.
Meant to include ‘ERNIE LYNCH’………
Listenin’ to ole Shortbread in the greenhouse on Saturday I was struck by the resemblance of the process of explainin’ to wee Chick what’s goin’ on at his second favourite team, and the limitless patience of a mother teachin’ her wee boy how to pull up his trousers after using the torlet.
Rieperman on 28 May, 2012 at 11:01 said:
Congratulations to super Celt Paul Lambert who, on this day in 1997 became the first British footballer to secure a Champions League winners medal.
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I was only guy in bar in Palma Nova shouting on Dortmund ,because
Paul was playing.
Rest of punters (English) shouting on the Italians,they can hold a grudge.
Dontbrattbakkinanger
I think the stop after Complete Oblivion is known as ‘Hell’.
Steinreignedsupreme on 28 May, 2012 at 11:02 said:
Correct….. The Celtic Board need to wait / monitor developments…
With the SFA raging at the bhuns going to court, the situation may have now changed….???
Ernie
I don’t know much about recent discussions in the boardroom over New Club and which division it is likely to play in, but I fail to see how the season-ticket renewal could have been any more precise.
For all we know, the whole sorry saga might limp into the new season with Rangers in Administration still in administration. For all we know the SPL computer could, randomly, have Celtic play them before the schools go back. Unlikely, of course, but I thought there was no chance of their being able to complete the season just gone; the numbers didn’t add up, but they still contrived to fulfil their fixtures. The numbers certainly don’t add up for them to survive the summer, but they might.
Kitalba- you’re probably right
Voguepunter,
It was a similar story for me. I was in a bar in Amsterdam where the locals don’t have much love for ze germans. I was in the small minority shouting on Dortmund, not only for Paul’s sake but because, where Celtic are not involved, my allegiances will always lie with the underdog
South Of Tunis on 28 May, 2012 at 11:03 said:
UEFA spokesman —— responding to a question re the possibilities of there being ” racist incidents ” at the forthcoming Euros –
” UEFA’s zero tolerance approach to racism will be valid on and off the pitch and ultimately The Referee has the power to stop or abandon a match should racist incidents occur “
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AYE RIGHT!!!!
Celtic_First:
Maybe Walter Smith dipped the petty cash and hid it under the sash and this may well be enough to see them through to the start of the season. Lord knows there has been a river of coin pass through Ibrox and not all of it is accountable.
Tom McLaughlin:
This is not media speculation. I wish it was. I wish I could say this is the press making up quotes, or stories, or trying to be wide. But we now have a senior official in one of the game’s governing bodies telling us the licensing requirements which every club in the land must meet do not really apply.
You don’t think that is appalling, and corrupt? You don’t think that is worthy of a public comment from our club?
The new season is creeping towards us. The reason I keep asking the same question is that The Case for Rangers is already in the public domain, whilst the case against them has been limited to people on here and elsewhere. If you think we can possibly win a PR war that way you’re dead wrong.
The two heads of the SPL, Doncaster and Blair, are now openly, and blatantly, flaunting their own rules. We know full well that Rangers should never be granted a license in a million years; the rulebook purely and simply does not allow it, and nor can you play in the SPL without one. They are willing to ignore that in order to get what they want, and Doncaster has already stated, off the record, (according to RTC, who I believe) that he does not CARE what Rangers have done but wants them in the league.
We are weeks away from the publication of the fixture list. You mark my words, if we remain silent until then and that list is published with Rangers name on it, it’s all over bar the shouting. All over.
This a club which has violated contract rules, has spent millions of pounds in tax payer money, which has, for twenty years, had an unfair and probably illegal financial advantage, a club which has not submitted accounts in 18 months, has gone outside football to the national courts, has put intolerable pressure on an independent committee and is now actively conspiring to dump £100 million of bad debt so it can carry on cheating for the next 20 years.
And yet there is still some debate about what should be done …..
If you are not convinced already that this club can get away with anything, sporting integrity be damned, I don’t know what to say. Left to their own devices, the people running our national game will do nothing. The press will applaud them for it. Rangers will be back in the league. I no longer care whether it is bias, lack of will or bottle or finance trumping fairness … I do not trust these people one bit and they are quite willing to ignore the fans of every club, tear up the rules they don’t like and make up new ones as they go along.
Our club is part of the SPL board. We are the other half of the so-called Big Two, the clubs which are “too big to fail.” Aberdeen, Hibs, Motherwell, Dundee Utd, Inverness, Hearts, Kilmarnock, St Johnstone, Dunfermline, who aren’t even in the league any longer … all have had their say. St Mirren have maintained silence, although swallowing up their club and spitting out the bones was Plan B. I cannot conceive of them being happy with this.
And then there is us. Waiting in the wings for God knows what. For the season tickets to sell out maybe, so they can drop the bombshell on a support which has already put up the money.
There are two possible reasons for the silence.
1) They are working behind the scenes to stop this.
2) They are preparing the PR offensive because they either can’t or won’t stop it.
The first possibility would not be harmed by making a statement that they expect the SPL to follow its own rules to the letter. You see, that is what’s truly galling about all of this. Clubs are about to vote on NEW rules … and we do not need the new rules. If the current rules are applied, a NewCo will start in Division 3. The very act of writing these new rules is to supersede those which already exist, and which is followed would maintain the integrity of the game.
And that is already being ignored … and we are taking part in the vote.
Draw your own conclusions.
If Rangers are included on the fixtures list, it is done. I repeat that again for clarity.
And mate, I am not pissed off at you or any other poster here, who, after all, have different opinions from me on the process but the same opinion on where this should end. I respect all those views.
But we are getting pissed on from a great height, and to paraphrase Sigourney Weaver in Avatar, these people are no longer even trying to kid us that it’s rain.
Celtic_First
I saw your posts on Saturday evening.
Good to find another fan of Jazz record requests.
I think that Celtic’s hierarchy should make a statement re:
All this Rankers(IA) carry-on.
Celtic should announce……
“We, as director’s of Celtic Football Club would like to make it clear for all, that, under no circumstance’s will we allow ourselve’s to be drawn in to a round of question’s regarding our, oldest and, greatest rivals current plight!”
“We will get on with doing what, the Celtic support pay us to do. that is running THEIR club in the best way that we possibly can.
Or, words to that effect. imo.
Hail Hail
Good news ——–
I’ve been trying to buy – Pat Lewis — Watch out Boy 7 ” for @ 40 years . Last time I saw a copy for sale , the seller wanted [ and got ] £ 5K .
Nice vinyl people in Manchester are now selling a repress for £ 7 .99.
Every home should have one —– and all her other choons too.
The King/Minty injunction on the money laundering criminal conspiracy doesnae seem to be working,does it?
Ah….internet bampottery…ye just gotta love it!
Rieperman on 28 May, 2012 at 11:01 said:
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Would that be the same game where, a certain Paul Lambert kept the, then, best player in the world, ZZ…out of the game ?
Hail Hail
its about time Celtic called regan and doncaster out
they are shysters, waiting on hector to do the deed
get them out now
Celtic, please do something
Hoopeddreams
A highlight of any week.
“Mr Doncaster, do you think Rangers should be kicked out of the league if they end up liquidated? Or do go the Frankenstein route, attach jumper cables to their gonads and turn up the juice?”
“I think Rangers survival is all that matters.”
“Neil, what about fairness and fair play?”
“What about it? That doesn’t matter to me at all.”
“So, you’re saying Rangers should stay in the league? And if they’re found guilty of illegal contracts? What about that?”
“Keep them in the league. You have to.”
“Mr Doncaster, do you think Rangers should be kicked out of the league if their players attack other players?”
“Are you saying they’ve done that?”
“No, but would that be legitimate?”
“Everything Rangers do should be legitimate.”
“Let’s be clear here; would you agree Rangers should be kicked out of the league if their players were found to have been paid with Grade A Plutonium stolen from Iranian nuclear reactors?”
“Well do you think Celtic would be?”
“Mr Doncaster, do you think for one second that morality has a place in football or sport?”
“I don’t think morals are important to sport. Or fairness. Or rules.”
“Yes, but how far is too far Mr Doncaster?”
“If Rangers players want to camp on the halfway line with automatic weapons then they should be allowed to do that.”
“Mr Doncaster, do you not think that would be damaging to the game?”
“If Rangers are punished that would be damaging to the game ….”
And on it will go.
hoopeddreams on 28 May, 2012 at 11:24 said:
Jazz record requests???
What did I miss!!
James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 11:22 said:
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You are dead right…..and the board must be hearing all this. But don’t let the orange b******s in the msm and elsewhere drive you crazy. That’s what they love doing to people.
I think this scandal is becoming way too big to be swept under the orange carpet.
I have never heard one single real Tim say they want Thug F.C. to survive in any way,shape or form.
Your writing is usually excellent,and I hope The Celtic Board is hearing the likes of you,loud and clear.
“No Pasaran!!”
HH !
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James Forrest is Neil Lennon! We are ALL Neil Lennon! on 28 May, 2012 at 11:22:
You are right. Celtic will never win the PR war and Rangers have virtually everyone with a fragment of influence fighting their corner.
Despite this, the Huns have not moved an inch forward since 14 February. They are neck-deep in quicksand. Celtic have taken a back seat throughout a process in which Rangers have been rescued so many times I’ve lost count. Yet, amid all the bluster they remain in administration awaiting a crippling tax bill, and any reputation they did have is crumbling more with each passing day with further murky revelations expected.
They are finished.
Off oot
to enjoy the last day of the sun ?
mibbees aye, mibbees naw.
May God Bless Paul 67 and ‘Every’ CQNer.
Hail Hail
miki67 on 28 May, 2012 at 11:37
Eh! I might be in a very small minority but I’ve said on more than one occasion that I want them to survive. Once they have balanced all the books.
Open question to all – possibly already answered –
Irrespective of the existing rules if RFC go into liquidation and a Newco apply to buy the share which belonged to RFC (but became forfeit to the SPL) what is to stop the SPL agreeing to sell the share to a Newco on whatever it conditions it wants to attach to the sale?
Those conditions could be eg points deductions , transfer embargoes, financial penalties.
Those restrictions are not “penalties ” as such for wrongdoing , merely conditions of sale.
TLWIO
miki67 on 28 May, 2012 at 11:37 said:
“You are dead right…..and the board must be hearing all this. But don’t let the orange b******s in the msm and elsewhere drive you crazy…”
To be fair, miki, I think it’s mostly masons we’re talking about, most of whom tend to look down their noses at mere orangemen.
FF