The Gang of 10 SPL club who will meet next week will decide whether or not we have a morally sound and ethically administered league. The meeting wasn’t announced three hours before overtures were being made on terms a Rangers Newco would be prepared to agree to in order to win their backing.
Effectively, the other 10 will asked to hold their noses, put all moral judgement aside and tell Rangers Newco the terms they need to agree to in order to get back into the SPL, retain their history and limit consequences of the alleged improper registration of players. Some of those hoping to front a Rangers Newco are prepared to do whatever is necessary to get back on a level playing field with those who have spent the last 20 years playing honest football and paying their taxes.
The question to be considered is not just what is ethically right in sport; it’s more personal than that. This is about what is going to happen to your money, the football club that defines who you are, and your relationship with the game for the rest of your life.
The schemers and cheats are not beaten and they are not going to give up. There is no honour, no ‘dignity’, no moral compass that understands there are consequences for decades of rampant abuse. All there is, is a sense of entitlement that I struggle to comprehend.
That sense of entitlement is about to promise bucket loads of your cash to someone else in order to restore the old certainties. This time, they are not even going to use the tax man’s money, they are going to use YOUR money. The money you put into the game will be distributed and used to flush the smaller clubs, who will in turn restore Rangers to their position of ascendency.
This is not sport, it’s a disgusting abuse of Celtic fans. You are not even being asked, you are being expected to open your wallets and pay whatever price it takes to put Rangers back on top.
I have never called for a boycott of a newspaper, never mind a football game, but this is not football anymore. We cannot be party to this. It is not a passing-issue either. Rules are being made with consequences that could last 100 years.
You have suffered from decades of malpractice and have earned the right to go to Ibrox in two weeks to enjoy the reflection of honest endeavour. After this, our next away game will be at Kilmarnock. If the Gang of 10 attempt an insurrection using your money, join me in a picket outside Celtic Park when these tickets are available for sale, and outside the away gates at Rugby Park on game day, to explain to Celtic fans the consequences of supporting the clubs who would use your money to establish a new Rangers.
Unite and bring the full power of Celtic against those who would rather do a deal with the devil than establish an honest, even, playing field.
If the Gang of 10 give Rangers Newco their way, using your money, we cannot go back to an away game, not this season, not ever. We must demand this discipline from each other and insist the club refuse all away tickets.
Having paid our taxes, registered footballers in an honest manner and brought international acclaim to Scottish football, the Celtic Movement is being corrupted by the lowest common denominator.
Our magnificent sporting institution is being destroyed. For the love of all that is decent and meritocratic in the game, we need help from England, Europe or wherever to move out of Scottish football.
I am just about finished with the entire, corrupt, shambles that masquerades as a sport.
Issue six of CQN Magazine….. has sold out! None left, sorry.
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Parkheadcumsalford:
It is going to happen one day, I ‘d rather we got it launched to our satisfy our agenda as opposed a reaction to concentrated wrongs against us.
mwd:
I don’t know how to link it, but I still have it in my e-mailsandcan forward it to anybody who is interested.
Either that or you can get it from Auldheid.
In saying that though and appreciating what is evolving around us, I’m a wee bit
confused by what could easily be construed as apathy on our part.
Kitalba ,
don’t remember receiving a questionnaire . A global membership scheme could/would work. 100K paying £20 pa would raise £2M .
Use it as a transfer fund , invest it back into youth development , develop Celtic’s new media strategy . Discount vouchers for The Celtic Shop to the value of the membership would still raise additional revenues .
Sanna
Morning Bhoys
Usual Saturday morning request, could someone please put up the link to this weekends games for the kano predictor, can’t access it again. Thanks.
Jobo
If you’re lurking, you’re one of the posters I read all the time. I’ve never, ever seen you post anything controversial or offensive. Your post are always light and jovial. Get yourself back on buddy.
Hail Hail
So in summary the position now is –
Paul Murrays bid is in conjunction with fans groups.
Ticketus are a partner and the press tell us they are an investor. Does that mean they are investing the previously invested sum if Murray can agree a CVA with HMRC on the wee bills and agree something else on the BTC?
Again we have the myths and legends pageant in the press over the facts. This admin event is over wee bills. Has anyone in the press bothered to ask why hmrc would be prepared to take less than rangers offered months ago.
http://rangerstaxcase.com/2011/12/21/rangers-negotiations-with-hmrc-the-truth-is-in-there/
AND WHO IS NEGOTIATING WITH HMRC GIVEN THIS IS DAVID MURRAYS JOB
And I am going to get a new coke-sticky-free keyboard soon.
blantyretim on 10 March, 2012 at 09:59 said:
Hey you some not bad folks went to Holy Cross, Bourne will be chasing you!!
My Nephew is at Ogilvie and to add to his sins he is torn between Celtic and Hamilton Accies!!
What did I do giving him my original scarf, I hope one day he sees the light!!
Stephen if your lurking there’s only one team in Scotland!!
SP
ibleedgreenandwhite1
My suggestion was that if the other SPL teams come to an arrangement that all gate receipts are shared equally that we could circumvent this by charging and annual membership fee (or subscription to matchday programmes) of £500 per year (or whatever ST would be) and give all those a season ticket for a nominal fee of £10.
This would keep our income at same levels as now but we’d only be required to distribute the £10 among other teams.
I’ve since been led to believe there might be a minimum ticket price but there are still ways round it.
Mort
New article about admin process: “What Deadlines do Duff & Phelps Have re Rangers Football Club PLC (In Administration)?”
Random thoughts on scots law
If Paul Murray and his partners – the hun support – are going to buy the club, are they going to get another sub from ticketus until all the huns pledges are collected in real hard spendy coins?
Thought this blog was interesting
“Nothing’s changed yesterday except the players have fell for the Administrators wage cut bluff.
They are still in administration.
They still owe the £16m PAYE / VAT
They have still to pay the stock exchange fine.
They still owe a shed load of money to other clubs.
Whyte still owns the club.
Ticketus still own most of the next three years STs
Azure still own the catering
JJB still own the merchandising rights.
They have still to be sentenced for the Nimmo enquiry.
The SPL could still kick them out the league for fielding iniligible players players since 1998.
The SFA are still investigating a second charge over the two contracts gorilla in the room.
There is still a possibility that all their titles won, sorry cheated during the 10+ “two contract” years could be taken off them.
They still have the same players that are out of 4 cups and we’re responsible for a 36 point swing in the league.
They still have Sally in charge, the manager with the tactical nous of a donkey.
They just lost their last lame excuse that the team is weakened when the players took the wage cut and decided to stay.
The big tax case result is due anytime, then it’s game over.
They are believing the usual drivel from the MSM that HMRC suddenly do 10p in the pound deals.
They have just found out that one of the Blue Knights is in fact……..Ticketus.
Aye, everythings fine down Ibrokes way, and that was supposed to be a “good” day. NOTHING’S changed, it’s still liquidation in the post for the boys in blue.”
Then we have all these ‘loyal’ bhuns standing by to invest (billions…excuse the pun !!!) in a (Scottish) club which will be playing in the lower leagues for a few years….How gullible are they to the MSM ‘desperation’ spin
Incidentally, when a wee bhun said this was a tainted trophy, did anyone hear the sharp-witted keevins retort “Well, at least they paid their taxes”
And maybe Paul or Phil can find out cw cancelled all the Injury Insurances for the players when he arrived, purely as part of prudent cost-saving exercise, you understand……NOT to stick the money away in a wee ‘safe’ account (just seems strange the Naysmith has accepted a wage cut WHEN HE SHOULDN’T BE GETTING WAGES, just INSURANCE…..???
Rangers director Dave King will be blocked from holding an official role at Ibrox in the future because he was part of the club when it entered administration under Craig Whyte and would fail the Scottish Football Association’s fit and proper person rule. (Daily Express)
I wonder how they came to this conclusion? A phrase including Sherlock and merde springs to mind.
HamiltonTim ,
it’s the same every week , http://www.thekanofoundation.com/predictor.html
Oh , unless you were just drawing attention to it ?! Duh !
PS. Anyone got Ard Macha’s contact details ? Can you send mine to him. Hoping to meet up in Belfast next weekl , sannabhoy at gmail.com
Sanna
sannabhoy
will forward them in two..
sannabhoy:
I don’t think it has yet been finalised. Ithink I only got aquestionaire because ofwhere I live and through Auldheid Imade Celticawasre I a membership scheme would be a fairer way of spreading the cost of putting a team on the field.
Think how much the guys from Ireland and England and the far North of Scotlandand other placeslike Wales and France spend to get to a game on top of the cost oftheir season ticket. They pay that money happily, otherswho just can’t make the games wouldlike tocontribute too.
Ticket just purchased for Cup Final. Plenty left on official website lads – go get them.
sannabhoy on 10 March, 2012 at 10:16 said:
it’s the same every week , http://www.thekanofoundation.com/predictor.html
Oh , unless you were just drawing attention to it ?! Duh !
why would anyone not know this link I mean were all participating aren’t we, if not WHY NOT?
sorry Caps lock there
A subliminal message from HT now there’s a first.
I am sure messes Dulph and phelps are delighted that consensus was reached with the rankers players taking a wage cut and ensuring the club will continue till the end of the season in administration.
Wait a minute …that’s another 80 + plus days of fees at £600 per hour for their team and as another poster alluded £30k per day ?….that’s the story boys and girls ..they must have difficulty drinking champagne in their 5 star hotel for laughing …follow the money …and toasting the stupid rankers players ..hh
But you won’t see that story in the equally stupid msm.
The naismith insurance issue is interesting. i believe that the club receives a lumpsum payout. the club then use that to pay the players wages. ie the club pay insurance premium.
|F whyte stopped paying that premium am no sure the insurers would pay out.
Incidentally, any word on the audited accounts / AGM….??
Regarding the survey, I filled mine in. Celtic sent out an e-mail to everybody on their database. Not everybody on that database necessarily are avid readers of CQN, sorry Paul67. The problem with any type of mass letter drop be it conventional or electronic there is no guarantee that it will reach its intended recipient.
Hail! Hail!
Tam
BT , cheers .
Kitalba , HH . I’ll wait and see what happens – no idea of the potential for global take-up , but Celtic should . The main thing we can rely on – if we say we’ll contribute , we will.
Sanna
d9comedy @ 9:26 – I think you are spot on.
This is still a very enjoyable situation.
So we expected the stand-up comic to tell a joke about his mother-in-law but he told us a different joke? So what? We should still laugh?
I do not purport to have inside knowledge of the situation but, like everyone else here and unlike your average blue-tube, I can figure out that 2 + 2 + 2 = 6.
Here’s my take – if the “BLUE KNIGHTS” (flourish of cornets) take over.
– Ticketus will take £24m out that business over the next x years. A business that already generates £15m p.a. less than it should
– A guy that couldn’t find £1 last year will be seen as the saviour
– They won’t have European money next year
– The players who were promised free transfers in the summer in return for wage cuts now will be off
– Rangers (1872) will continue so all “rebel 10 clubs” bets are off because 2 SPL clubs will vote against it. Result? Celtic fans won’t get screwed!
– Once the proper investigations (which Celtic will insist upon) are concluded, the SFA hierarchy will be a hun free zone, Rangers’ 100 trophies will become 85 and Celtic will complete 13-in-a-row in June.
And best of all?
The Big Tax Case will crystallise after they come out of administration
AND THE WHOLE CIRCUS WILL START ALL OVER AGAIN
We should all be the laughing policeman.
Hail Hail
Good Morning,
Yesterday, I returned to Clydebank- or Faifley to be precise- for the purposes of attending a funeral. St Jospeh’s RC church was packed at 1PM with family,friends,neighbours and so on who had all come to pay their respects, say a prayer for, and send off a woman who was described in the homily as “one of us!”.
By that the parish priest meant that Mary Biggins had lived all her life as “One of us!”– A Bankie from cradle to grave. He charted her progression from St Stephen’s school, To Oh Holy Redeemer, to adulthood and beyond. He talked about how she met her husband Benny when dancing in the Masonic Hall ( and remember this was the 50’s ), fell in love, got married and had loads of weans and later grandweans.She was wife, mum, grandmother, neighbour,friend, colleague and so on.. all at the one time! Stories of her working at Singers factory, going dancing, to the bingo and living the life of an ordinary Clydebank woman. Then, when the upper Clyde sit in took place, Jimmy Young presented his radio show from her living room to the listening world, to show just how ordinary– yet extraordinary– the everyday people of Clydebank were at that remarkable time.
Of course, there was an element of being a catholic included in being “one of us”– you would get that in any religeous ceremony which involved a lifelong parishoner and designed to celebrate and commemorate her passing. I couldn’t get to speak to Benny as he was already in the car when I came out amongst such a crowd of people, and regrettably I could not go on to the reception after the mass. So I spoke to a relative or two and made my way to the car, where the radio told me that the Rangers players had now agreed to a 75% pay cut in order to ensure that there were no mass redundancies at this time, and that the club could continue to trade until at least the end of the season.
Now, you may find this strange– even distasteful— but my first instinct was to quietly say “well done”! Well done to all of those footballers who at long last did the right thing, the decent thing, in terms of the other people at their place of employment.
Don’t get me wrong, I do not believe that this action helps Rangers long term. It spells out what is necessary though as remember these cuts do noy go to pay the £15M or so that is outstanding to the revenue from the current year, it does not go to pay the big tax case– it merely shows that with all tickets for Ibrox sold, with no intention of repaying anything allegedly due to Craig Whyte, with all the goodwill that can be mustered from Rangers fans– the Rangers players must take a 75% wage cut to keep the ship afloat.
Even if there were no Big Tax Case, and no creditors at all, no demotion or exclusion from the SPL, there has to be swathing cuts at Ibrox year on year. These cuts do not allow for any investment in Ibrox itself, nor allow for player investment. When the transfer window comes, no doubt whoever is in charge of Rangers will want to capitalise on the value players– yet everyone will know they are selling from a position of weakness.
I think Liquidation is inevitable and no matter what the public pronouncements of any so called bidder may be, they too will favour liquidation as they do not want to be caught for the huge some in tax that is due. Although the revenue may not simply accept that a phoenix is not due to pay that revenue debt– either way Rangers could be repaying back taxes for a very long time.
Then of course there is the situation at the SPL and SFA– who have already ruled that Whyte is not, and was not, Fit and proper. Once the evidence from the Big Tax Case is out in the open I wonder who they will view as ever having been fit and proper? Possibly no one who has been at Ibrox this many a year.
Paul67- as the voice of CQN- calls for a bhoycott of away grounds– and I understand why that call is made in the face of potential manifest injustice. I don’t often get to away games– in fact the last away game I was at was at Love Street and after the game I headed straight for the airport and a flight– but I am aware that for many the away games are the real genus of being a Celtic supporter– supporting wherever the team play. Personally there are some grounds I will never visit, because the teams concerned are just not to my taste and I would not put a single penny into their coffers. I once made the mistake of going to Stamford Bridge– a mistake I will never make again.
I agree with Paul– a stand should be taken and feelings should be made known to everyone out there about what it means to be “one of us”!
That means to play by the rules, to see thiose rules through, to be treated equally and with reason and dignity and to live by the common coda. If you make a mistake, accept the mistake, apologise, make good the wrong as best you can and return to the fold. It does not mean that you seek unfair advantage over everyone else, have the rules changed for you to evade the previously determined punishment and to live by a different set of laws to everyone else.
In that Upper Clyde Ship yard sit in the late Jimmy Reid referred to the rat race, citing the idea of thousands of rats scurrying and climbing over and on top of one another for the greatest advantage in the search for food and survival. In any Rat race there is always a King Rat– the big guy, the bully, the one who does not play by the rules the govern the masses.
Well, the late Jimmy pronounced “I… am not…a Rat” and so will not live by the rules of the rat race.
If whoever wants to control Rangers seriously wants to live within the Scottish Football Community then they will have to take a leaf out of the books of their own players– that is the current players not the past “stars” who signed up to fabulous unaffordable wages and off shore tax avoiding payment schemes– and show a little humility and an ability to do the decent thing. Those past players behaved like rats– seeking every advantage and every crumb for themselves with no care for anyone or anything else. Rangers will have to live within their means, not seek advantage at all sorts of levels and to trade within their means.
Trading within their means results in having to accept that if Celtic and Rangers both sell all their season tickets at full market rates of say £400 per ticket, then Celtic will generate £4,035,600 more in season book revenue each and every year– if you have presold those seats at a discount the finacial gap will be greater.
In short there will not be financial parity nor anything approaching it year on year, and there may be an inevitable consequence to that in terms of success on the filed.
It also means no more tax avoidance, no more wages that cannot be afforded, and no more not paying your way like every other club in Scotland– and if you want to retain your history then you have to pay the back taxes thus far avoided.
” Being one of us” is not something that you pay lip service to– it actually means taking part in the same way as everyone else. You will have your ups and downs, successes and failures, good days and bad, and being a genuine part of a community where all are treated equally and decently.
At the end of the day I believe that is all Paul67 is asking for– nothing more nothing less.
As I left Clydebank yesterday and took the car along Montrose Street, down through Whitecrook, up to Dumbarton Road, past OHR, and on into Scotstoun and Whiteinch– I said a wee prayer for Mary and her family, and for my own kin and ghosts past. However, it dawned on me as I drove– there used to be a Football club here, that spawned talent like Davie Cooper, Jim Fallon, Ken Eadie and a few others, Chic Charnley, Tommy Coin and others also played there. Clydebank FC always had financial difficulties, it always struggled… and like so much of the Clydebank that once was………. it is no more!
Clydebank FC was still in existence when the whole EBT thing was going on, closing its doors finally in 2002.. and that is annoying… even for a Celtic Fan.
I…. am not a RAT………. said Jimmy Reid……… and he was right!
Johann Murdoch….£30k a day……??………but that’s £150k a week, £600k a month……….nae wonder they held out for a player wage cut,,,,,,,, LOL !!!
This just gets funnier by the minute
Che
Most of my messages are subliminal. Poor conversational skills and a lack of vocabulary have blighted my short, limited life.
I blame the Calton!
Sannabhoy
Thanks for that, for some reason I struggle to access the actual predictor each week.
we need to take a leaf from Beowulf’s book
I am Ripper… Tearer… Slasher… Gouger. I am the Teeth in the Darkness, the Talons in the Night. Mine is Strength… and Lust… and Power! I AM BEOWULF!
AKAbigJoe
This thread has been a bit of a roller coaster ride….
All sorts of shenanigans going down…it was a full moon last night!
HH
I was at the Tynecastle replay in 72. Its the only time in my 50 years of following Celtic that I felt scared inside a football ground. We took through about 20000 that night and as we approached the Gorgie Rd entrance, under the bridge, all hell broke loose. The wee hun hordes were raining bricks and bottles from the bridge above and unbelievable as it sounds now, the Edinburgh Polis then ushered us into the mixed end under the shed. Hard to imagine now, but what you had was about 5000 from each support crammed in beside each other. Even before the game started it was a riot. I clearly remember a guy screaming as a golf ball with a nail through it was launched from the Hearts support and hit him on the head. Then it rained golf balls and eggs from the wee huns. Sounds funny I know but you did’nt know what the F# was what! Anyway I ended up on the pitch with hundreds of others. Oh btw Celtic won 1-0 with a Lou Macari goal.
Am I correct in saying the resultant boycott was due to Police blaming Celtic fans for the trouble?
On the subject of the wee teams backing the huns in some sort of SPL carve up; I’ve sneaked a look at the Hearts and Dunfermline Fan Forums. You can take it from me, they do not support this idea or anything like it. Many on DAFC forum in particular have told Yorkston that they’ll be posting SB’s back to East End Park if it happens. I work in a college where there are students who support many teams. Even I was surprised at the general dislike and hatred of RFC throughout Scottish football, and I include Hearts in that. Having said that, they would demand the same treatment for us.
hh
Neville Southall on Soccer A.M, needs to join the Fatbhoy-Tim-3 group, he looks as if he has been cloned and has eaten the clone.
Gott in Himmell!!! – don’t tell me that the Blue Knights are coming after me for that £1690 I pledged…
BRTH@10:27
Excellent post mate.
HH
I do believe the huns have Ostrich syndrome the players take a cut in wages and it seems they think all is well I should let them know thats like peeing into the sea and believing it will change the water level. They may well be able to keep things limping along until the end of the season but they still have huge debts hanging over the club and the dark cloud of the big tax bill sitting over Ibrokes. They are looking to shaft there creditors and the rest of Scottish football but some how I dont think it will be that easy.H.H.
Was at that game too – utter mayhem even for those days. I think that might have been the game Hay got the bad ankle injury
Sparkleghirl,
SPL Rules:
“H5 If any Club in the League ceases to operate or to be member of the League for any reason, its playing record in the League may be expunged and the number of relegation places from the League shall be reduced accordingly.”
Gordon_J backing Neil Lennon on 10 March, 2012 at 10:37 said:
Thanks, so the BBC is misinterpreting it then.
I hope they dont try to call in the £30,000 I pledged
Got to love the SFA’s Fit And Proper Person Test.
“Dear Mr Club Owner, Are you a fit and proper person? Are all of your pals fit and proper persons?”
“Dear SFA, We think so.”
“Well, that’s alright then.”
What exactly would they expect a fraudster who wants to control a football club to answer? Why no independent checks? No questions of Companies House, HMRC, the police, etc?
Gordon_j
I think the key word in that is ‘may’. It gives them scope to make and decision they chose.