The Gang of 10 SPL club who will meet next week will decide whether or not we have a morally sound and ethically administered league. The meeting wasn’t announced three hours before overtures were being made on terms a Rangers Newco would be prepared to agree to in order to win their backing.
Effectively, the other 10 will asked to hold their noses, put all moral judgement aside and tell Rangers Newco the terms they need to agree to in order to get back into the SPL, retain their history and limit consequences of the alleged improper registration of players. Some of those hoping to front a Rangers Newco are prepared to do whatever is necessary to get back on a level playing field with those who have spent the last 20 years playing honest football and paying their taxes.
The question to be considered is not just what is ethically right in sport; it’s more personal than that. This is about what is going to happen to your money, the football club that defines who you are, and your relationship with the game for the rest of your life.
The schemers and cheats are not beaten and they are not going to give up. There is no honour, no ‘dignity’, no moral compass that understands there are consequences for decades of rampant abuse. All there is, is a sense of entitlement that I struggle to comprehend.
That sense of entitlement is about to promise bucket loads of your cash to someone else in order to restore the old certainties. This time, they are not even going to use the tax man’s money, they are going to use YOUR money. The money you put into the game will be distributed and used to flush the smaller clubs, who will in turn restore Rangers to their position of ascendency.
This is not sport, it’s a disgusting abuse of Celtic fans. You are not even being asked, you are being expected to open your wallets and pay whatever price it takes to put Rangers back on top.
I have never called for a boycott of a newspaper, never mind a football game, but this is not football anymore. We cannot be party to this. It is not a passing-issue either. Rules are being made with consequences that could last 100 years.
You have suffered from decades of malpractice and have earned the right to go to Ibrox in two weeks to enjoy the reflection of honest endeavour. After this, our next away game will be at Kilmarnock. If the Gang of 10 attempt an insurrection using your money, join me in a picket outside Celtic Park when these tickets are available for sale, and outside the away gates at Rugby Park on game day, to explain to Celtic fans the consequences of supporting the clubs who would use your money to establish a new Rangers.
Unite and bring the full power of Celtic against those who would rather do a deal with the devil than establish an honest, even, playing field.
If the Gang of 10 give Rangers Newco their way, using your money, we cannot go back to an away game, not this season, not ever. We must demand this discipline from each other and insist the club refuse all away tickets.
Having paid our taxes, registered footballers in an honest manner and brought international acclaim to Scottish football, the Celtic Movement is being corrupted by the lowest common denominator.
Our magnificent sporting institution is being destroyed. For the love of all that is decent and meritocratic in the game, we need help from England, Europe or wherever to move out of Scottish football.
I am just about finished with the entire, corrupt, shambles that masquerades as a sport.
Issue six of CQN Magazine….. has sold out! None left, sorry.
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junglejim
And another thing, you’re spot on about the colluding MSM mate!
HH
Ulster Celt
Thats the disgraceful article which I mentioned yesterday. Mass E-mails to this paper could be the order of the day. Ignorant ill informed and poorly researched rubbish.
Vmhan
the damage would be financial in the 12 months with no means of recouping running costs, as a Club not a member of eg SPL or EPL think im right that we wouldn’t be given licence to play anyone even in friendlies?
If DD is half as an astute businessman as we think he is then Im thinking an exit plan may already be part of the wider contingency, if its not then it should be…and sharpish.
Top of the morning to you all from a typical March day in the Kingdom of Fife. There is a mild westerly breeze spinning the wind-turbine blades under a grey, cloudy, sky, with more than a hint of rain.
Hope the weather is better for Tannadice tomorrow.
In all of the commentaries and predictions on how the Rangers affair will end there is one very important factor that is never taken into consideration: The reaction of the Celtic support to any Newco being eased back into the SPL.
That is a foolish omission on the part of those who try to predict where all this will end.
One assumes that Paul knows there are moves afoot to lobby the gang of 10 by our cousins on the other side of the city. I would be amazed if there were no Masonic distress calls emanating from the Hun. It’s what they do best.
If that is so then they must get the message that the Celtic support will not be supine observers.
When the club’s very existence was threatened in 1994 we showed the ability to organise and act quickly and effectively.
If cheats are allowed to prosper our ability to act will be called on again. I am confident that we will be ready to respond by acting effectively, as we have done in the past.
On a Wednesday night in March 1972 Celtic played Hearts in a Scottish Cup replay at Tynecastle before 40,029 fans. A month later we again played Hearts in a Saturday league game at Tynecastle, but this time a boycott had been called by the Celtic Supporters Association. The crowd for that game? 10,124!
If you know the history, its enough to make your heart go……….. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh, we don’t care…………
just a thought about financing the other 10 teams if new co becomes a reality surely the club could become a bit creative and maybe start a celtic club that would cost say 500 qiud to join per year which would entitle the member to free admission to all celtic home games.mmmm dont know if this would work but something a bit creative along these lines may do the trick
Paul 67. To reiterate a point I have previously made on numerous occasions, particularly at the time of Dallas’ ignominious removal, many thanks for CQN and the guidance you give to, I suspect, an incredibly large proportion of the Celtic faithful. HH
I firmly believe that there will be no CVA. It’s liquidation. Newco will be imbroiled in litigation and are unlikely to be playing in any league in the 2012/2013 season.
In the unlikely event that a Newco can be successfully formed it will function on vastly reduced financial terms. The current first team players of RFC will be unaffordable for Newco. The £10 million black hole ‘discovered’ by Whyte still exists. Ticketus are part of the rescue plan ffs. How many huns are going to pay for season books to finance Ticketus? And HMRC will try very hard to show that Newco should carry the debt of Oldco.
I dont share the doom and gloom of some on here. Sure, the clubs, the SFA and the SPL will try and shag us. But they’ll have to so it without RFC/Newco.
Donegal resident and Ulster Celt, have just read that article. That newspaper is a joke, if you were to believe the tone of the editorial in the paper we would be better off all playing rugby and becoming Irish unionists. Sickening
A grey, drab sort of morning here in North Ayrshire.
With the optimistic noises coming from Ibrox, I can only conclude that the tax bills have been forgiven.
The double-contract scandal seems but a distant memory now.
Where did it all go right for them?
Morning all from gay Paree, pleasant enough morning, no huns in sight.
My head was buzzing yesterday and in recent days to be honest.
At the start of the week I was looking forward to mass redundencies and/or the fact they wouldn’t be able to complete their fixture list.
It looks as though the Admin folk (aided and abetted by the SNP, SFA, SPL, PFA, KKK and any other bent masonic organisation you can think of) have made deals with the players to avoid P45s and they will be able to play all their matches (with a relatively strong squad).
This is being hailed by the MSM as a great success and the hun players and Swally are being treated as HEROES
(cue Rule Britannia and Dambusters music!!!).
However, we Tims are highly trained in spotting “merde de taureau”.
They are not saved, merely keeping the wolves from the door (or if you prefer, dodging bullets).
There are still missiles to come for the Hun.
This shambles remember is just about the “mammy bear tax case”, the “daddy bear tax case” is still to hit them like a freakin Exocet.
Ghod knows what happened to “baby bear tax case” – cannae remember – ach, it wis only 3million or so.
But I trust Hector, who will be watching OUR tax payers money like a hawk.
;o)
Other missiles include the TWO CONTRACTs, which is a freakin atom bomb, and the SFA/SPL sanctions to come.
The TWO CONTRACTs in recent days has been quietly and convienently put aside/forgotten by the MSM.
Also the SFA charges RFCIA of bringing the game into disrepute.
Yes, RFCIA bringing the game into disrepute can you imagine if that was us !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As mentioned previously, we Tims are highly trained in spotting “merde de taureau”, despite the smoke and mirrors being set up all over Scotland.
There’s a lot being made in the Blue Knights takeover (in cahoots with TicketBus).
I tried to get my head round that, got worried, read RTCase blog a bit, and they semed to think it was more wishful thinking.
I’m out of my depth there.
There’s also stories about the SPL10 making plans to fast track NewCo into the SPL.
The CQN article yesterday morning was worrying.
However, maybe it was to sound a warning to everybody and anybody thats willing to listen that this thing is not going to come easily and we have got to be prepared to fight for justice.
But we are used to that, eh?
There’s a lot of other stuff going on “concurrently”.
Personally, I think it’s good that Pistol Pete is keeping our powder dry, and waiting for the right time to launch a scud missile towards Hector’s House.
We have stepped back from all this: as Napoleon said “don’t interrupt the huns when they are getting themselves into a fanckle”.
We’ve got a big game tomorrow, should be a cracker although a win is by no means a certainty.
Hope Brooney’s back, we have missed his drive.
If the MIBs behave themselves, I think we could get the win, otherwise a draw could be on the cards.
don’t mind the indo bhoys, it’s a rag full of d4 west brit winkers who who hate northsiders and anybody outside the pale. It’s well known to be a crap newspaper. They are snobs whose dad was never shot by the ruc, whose son was never shot in the back on the way home form the gaa, who couldn’t get a job because of their name. They know nothing of this. They don’t know anybody who planted a bomb or who got stabbed at a game. They are not people who change things. They wouldn’t understand the vanessaappeal. Dublin has always been an anomaly and they are the worst in the city.
By the way anybody is there still only one catholic architect in Derry – anybody know ?
Big Nan on 10 March, 2012 at 07:38 said:
On a Wednesday night in March 1972 Celtic played Hearts in a Scottish Cup replay at Tynecastle before 40,029 fans. A month later we again played Hearts in a Saturday league game at Tynecastle, but this time a boycott had been called by the Celtic Supporters Association. The crowd for that game? 10,124!
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Big Nan……the Celtic Supporters Association had organised the Bhoycott and requested the support to attend the reserve game at CP.
My first time in the stand……….Paul Wilson scored for Celtic but the wee team lost that day……….
My only other visit to the stand was a Sunday game against Clydebank….may have been a Scottish Cup game..
Paddy T
ULSTER-CRLT 0720
Thanks for the link to that,bud.
Another rag I will never buy again in ANY form.
That article is a disgrace. If the Celtic support he refers to was a person rather than a collective,he’d be facing a libel suit.
Tosser…..
ULSTER-CELT on 10 March, 2012 at 07:20 said:
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Without reading the piece by Chris Lowry? I’d have to say most of my friends who support Celtic don’t hate rangers, like me they hate what rangers stand for ie they’re loyal and true supremism, they’re fascist hatred for everything thats Irish and Roman Catholic.
The ONLY thing I hate on this planet is their and others sectarian and fascist intolerance of everyone else but themselves, q it’s the whole point of they’re being.
I’d rather watch/ support Celtic in a Sunday league than give these sectarian bigots a hand.
Vinny Fae the heart CSC
Just noticed it was the Irish Independent,not the one here in the UK.
I won’t be buying either of them,just to be sure,to be sure!
jackie mac on 10 March, 2012 at 08:05 said:
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Coorslad will know, do you want me to ask him?
Ps google may tell you.
V
rangers owned by supporters – good God the lunatics will be running the asylum. What chance of self regulation of sectarianism will there be then; not mention cheating, law breaking collusion…….
yeah great coorslad, I’m just curious.
ooops – vmhan
Heard S Regan on Shortbread this morning. To paraphrase … ‘Great relief. Possibility of new owners.All for good of Scottish football.’
Unsurprising stuff. But the jaw dropped when Regan – by way of explanation – said, ‘I mean Rangers owe a lot of money to some of our clubs and I’m sure they’ll be happy Rangers are in a better state.’
jackiemac at 08:05
I was trying to pen a reply about the indo article but could not have put it better than yourself. Fair play to ya pal
As a man from the northside of Dublin, who has lived in Navan and now Roscommon I agree with all of the points you made about that snob of a ‘newspaper’ it can be worse than a tabloid!
at least the tabloids don’t pretend to be telling the truth!!!!! or know what they are talking about!!!!
Paul67,
Can you explain what has caused your change of tone? On Thursday the Diddy 10 were going to hammer RFC; now you have them about to save them. Can you give a hint as to what information has caused you to change your mind?
As for gate receipts, awarding the Diddy10 50% of the CP gate is a classic case of papering over the cracks in a faulty business model. The problem the Diddy 10 have is that they don’t have enough fans. The best solution is for them to think creatively about how to attract more fans – creative pricing, more community involvement etc etc. The worst solution is for them to grab a subsidy from Celtic fans. Their defective business models thus remain untreated, and vulnerable to collective actions by fans of another club, in this case Celtic.
It’s ironic that one of the best ways for the Diddies to attract more fans would be the demise of RFC. Each of them (with the exception of Hibs and perhaps Aberdeen) would instantly attract several thousand disgruntled former Orcs.
In any case, Celtic could simply move to a “socio” scheme, whereby an annual subscription of £500 guarantees you access to SPL matches, plus a few other goodies. Tickets sold on the day would be reduced to a few thousand no-socio Celtic fans and the Diddies’ own fans.
Che at 7:38,
Thanks for you’re reply sir, why would we need a licence if we left the licensing organisations …. Sfa/ Scotlands shame?
A friendly is a friendly eff the sfa!
V
Truly, Follow Follow is a lunatic asylum. They are all utterly delighted at the spin coming from Media House about HMRC, the Blue Knights etc etc. None of the issues that threaten their existence seem to matter because now “Super” has persuaded the squad to play for peanuts.
And a question for any lawyers: if it is true that the players’ now have a clause in their contracts saying they can leave for free if CW regains day-to-day management of the club, surely this is extremely prejudicial to CW’s position as major shareholder and creditor (neither of which has as yet been challenged in a court of law)?
Can he sue the admins for this brazenness?
Petec:
I was out in the garden pulling weeds and it got me thinking about what you said about the huns on FF admitting they’d done wrong and maybe they should buy a few Cat o’ Nine Tails and take a few flagellation lessons. I don’t know why but what you said made me think of Nick Lesson saying “Opps” to his boss when he was finally caught before he headed down to Harry’s Bar on the Boat Quay and drank ‘on tick’ champagne whilst boasting to his mates how much bottle he had.
Celtic are 6 or so million in debt, just about every club in the SPL has debt of some sort or another and most ofthem diligently service their commitments. A debt-free newco comes into the SPL and fan dances whilst poncing of all the others who have honestly tried their best. So those who are in debt incur more debt so the one who cheated the most can be debt free. It is hard to fathom.
So, there isn’t a nut job out there after all who is prepared to risk throwing away £75m. No, according to today’s press, there are SEVEN of them all seriously interested. Just confirms what we knew all along. The world is a dangerous place with some crazy people roaming the streets…………………………….. and most of them work for the Scottish press.
Ulster-Celt
Seems to me that we are guilty by association to the ‘Old firm’
Very crass writing for a so called journalist . He must have attended the mark hatley school of journalism.
Possibility of New Owners?
Hmm.
A few small obstacles:
First Tier Tribunal
Ownership of the Stadium
And a myriad of possible legal wranglings (mind you Whyte won’t be in a position to fight legal battles he knows he will probably lose being in breach of so many contractual obligations)
And of course the involvement of Ticketus in a possible takeover – they gave some guy £18 million in exchange for tickets to rangers games. I think they are in it to get their money back. Ticket money for next three to five years will be going in large part to pay back Ticketus.
And if the Gang of 10 get their way then 50% of that money is theirs!
All is not now rosy in the barren soil of Rangers poorly tended garden!! The raw sewage below the surface is bubbling up…………..
Our big problem now is the Gang of 10 who are about to kill the Scottish Game for a few dollars more.
Big Nan……the Celtic Supporters Association had organised the Bhoycott and requested the support to attend the reserve game at CP.
My first time in the stand……….Paul Wilson scored for Celtic but the wee team lost that day……….
My only other visit to the stand was a Sunday game against Clydebank….may have been a Scottish Cup game..
Paddy T
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29th April big team lost 4-1 away and wee team lost 1-5 to Hearts at Parkhead.
Still the next weekend’s cup final made up for it 6-1 against Hibs.
H. H.
I’m still at a loss as to how a newco can retain the oldco history.
I’m almost embarrassed to ask as I feel as though I’m missing some easily understood technical point but such is my frustration I have to ask.
Anybody?
Vmhan Supporting Lenny! on 10 March, 2012 at 08:20
I’m impressed you got “friendly” and sfa in the one sentence, now there’s a distinct contradiction in terms.
I understand professional football clubs require to be licenced (or members) of a footballing association to play against other “licenced” Clubs?
now I could be talking a lot of craig whyte which in itself is nothing new…
PARTIZAN 0753
Your first paragraph sums up my long-held conviction re their future-they don’t have one.
They are trying every underhand method possible to squirm off the hook,but they are goners.
Ulster Celt, I’ve read that now, it’s written by someone who has no knowledge of the sectarian hatred that’s visited on Celtic supporters on a daily basis, there is no acknowledgment of factual info Eg the Uefa fair play award to the Celtic support when we got to the Uefa final and the appalling riots in Manchester when they got to the Uefa final a few years later, perhaps the author of that story was still in kindergarden when those events took place, or so his childish writings inform :>)
V
Rangers first team squad now stands at 30.
if the wage cuts were an average of £10,000 (and I believe that figure is probably too high) a player then rangers save £300,000 a month.
There is no way the average cut is higher in my opinion but even if you double that you still have a £300,000 short fall in the savings needed.
In the more realistic (but still probably too high) estimate the scenario remains:
Where else do you save £700,000 A MONTH at a football club?
I smell deviousness heading this way.
RobertTressel,
I think Celtic can box clever with the Gang of 10. Let’s face it, at this precise moment in time, we OWN Scottish football. There isn’t a team that can compete with us in terms of support and finance.
I’d imagine we can offer enough concessions to them to keep them in line. And if they go nuclear, (which for me would be 50% of gate receipts) then there are still ways Celtic can get around that, before our club and its fans decide what to do to them to punish such insolence.
Regarding the West Brit article in the ‘We wish we were writing for the English Independent’ Irish Independent, I have been on O’Connell street after a Glasgow Derby. It was no different than usual.
Is he just referring to people walking down the street in Celtic jerseys who may or may not be ‘working class’ and people like him feel threatened by ordinary guys in football tops?
Did I ever mention I was once called a fenian B*****d by a chap making his way home from a Rugby match. He had a very polite accent too.
Technically, newco cannot retain the oldco history. A case could be made that it is essentially the same “business”, if not the same “company”, but even making that case opens up a can of worms and will see HMRC slapping the BTC bill on the bald pate of whoever the next Martin Bain is.
A new company, with a different registration at companies house would be just that – a new company.
Wouldn’t it be just grand if the first tier outcome dropped through their door this coming week?
the mutterings about takeovers, buyouts etc is all an attempt to appease the great unwashed, lets be clear even someone with my less than minimal knowledge of business can see that no one in their right mind would buy a company without knowing what the full liabilities of that company are, far less what they “might be”
Im thoroughly looking forward to the game tomorrow gives us a chance to get another step closer to the Treble.