Was anyone surprised at yesterday’s result? You shouldn’t have been. I don’t think I’ve ever before written two articles against taking a result for granted. Celtic are ridiculously inconsistent as Kilmarnock, Hibs, St Johnstone, Inverness and now St Mirren will testify, even Arbroath left Celtic Park with a draw. The intensity which has been self-evident on Champions League duty has been posted missing far too often.
Defeat yesterday was entirely possible as is defeat away to Raith Rovers in the Scottish Cup on Sunday. There will be entirely different tactics and attitude when Juventus call next month but right now you’re feeling sore because, against all odds, we’ve conceded a League Cup final place and we’ll find an equally brave opponent at some point in the Scottish Cup unless a solution is found.
Speaking at the funeral of Sean Fallon last week, Sir Alex Ferguson referred to need for a manager to be a hard taskmaster, generating a corresponding need for the assistant manager to be plugged into the dressing room. I’m sure this is not the only way of managing a football team but it was how Jock Stein and Sean worked, and it’s how Sir Alex has worked for the last three decades.
Millionaire players need an edge in their lives to deliver on a lesser stage.
I had to be in Paisley all morning, which did not help my mood.
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stephenofderby
Jump the back fence and you will be in my ma’s garden :)).
calder dr.
Till later all
Burghbhoy
Yes sir, see you in the good ole summertime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7ezTy8C_8k
Teuchter ar la
stephenofderby – i am also a fellow blue-piper from back in the day; nice to see so many of Mossend’s finest emerald’s shining on this blog now
Bobby Murdoch’s winkle pickers
How’s it gaun fella,… I had to look that one up. Incredible. What a delight it must have been to see that. “A taste of things to come”.
I was born the year Kenny Dalglish left us, I’m afraid. So, thanks for that little nugget.
Here’s a quote from Wiki….and you were close with the score. :)
” He was a late developer and he was almost 21 by the time he nailed down a first team spot in August 1971, long after his contemporaries such as Macari and Hay. In May 1971 he gave the fans a taste of things to come when he scored six goals in Celtic’s 7-2 win over Kilmarnock in a testimonial for Frank Beattie. ”
Btw my point about Vic was in response to someone that pointed out he was possibly injured or ill and was a possible reason for his drop in performance. It’s a mystery to me why that was but take you’re point on board that Vic’s profuse sweating early on in the game can be disregarded.
Hail hail
Hi Celts,
in regards to yesterdays result and the reaction I tend to agree with Kilbowie Kelt when saying to appreciate the good days it is important to accept the bad.I would add that we need to learn too.We have no right to any trophy,and trophies Celtic compete in are important.
Re left hand debate-was it not seen as the work of the devil as to write left handed meant you could not possibly be seated ‘at the right hand of the father’ hence my granda’s generation the teacher would not hesitate to tie the left hand behind the back.ps i am left handed lol
good to see LNS enquiry starting,apologies if posted but parliament has been busy with George and some politicians from else where
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/962
http://www.parliament.uk/edm/2012-13/913
on another note can any aussie Celt offer advise,mate is in Melbourne for Juve game,any advice on where to watch
goldstar
I dont disagree that the crowd does have a part to play …. I think that the GB are worth a goal in big games.
but, at the end of the day… the crowd pays, NFL gets paid to coach, and the players get paid to play…. and he who pays, calls the shots.
dont think this is a chicken or egg thing…. ultimately, it is up to the team to produce the goods, and as Mr. Kinsella says, ‘if you build it, they will come’.
And, you can tell in which games/against which teams we are going to struggle, and the ways in which we will struggle…. when we are at home/teams set up to defend, we cant break them down … that, too me, suggests that it isn’t a psychological thing, so much as a tactical problem…. not sure what the crowd can really do about that.
Mike
Yes and no.
You maybe had to be there yesterday to comprehend how utterly inept most of our players were. It was hapless from back to front. I’m struggling to think of a single player who brought his B game out, let alone his A game.
We started off with Wanyama sitting between Brown and Ledley, with Sammi and Lassad either side of Hooper up front. seemed a decent line up to me, particularly following the Dundee Utd result using a similar approach.
Following St Mirren’s first goal, Brown was pushed wide right and Sammi left to make a 4. Brown doesn’t have the tools to play so wide, and Sammi had a stinker. Ledley and Wanyama provided little, the full backs rarely if ever got beyond their opposite number, Mulgrew and Wilson gaped at each other as time and again they gave the ball away hopelessly. They were so bad Goldstar10 was near enough going to throw his favourite pie at them.
With only 3 subs permitted from 4 outfield players, there was little Lenny could do, short of watch on in despair as each of the players in turn demonstrated the comedic art of playing in someone else’s boots.
Well done St Mirren though for getting to the final. A great day for the fans and the players. The cash will be as important to them as the occassion I suspect.
South of Tunis,
Many thanks for the Juve updates!
rumour has it that crerand had no say in staying or going he was gone.
Asonofdan
30 y o Cant see myself
For the sake of clarity, can I point out that to Goldstar10’s favourite pie is always his next one.
The atmosphere at any match is undoubtedly important and can lift the players accordingly.
Barca game at CP being the main case in point.
But what about the Spartak game in Moscow – attendance about 50,000, including only a few hundred Celtic fans, who did ‘tho offer fantastic backing to the side.
After going behind 2-1, the players lifted their game and we all know what happened.
We won because they showed the correct attitude, skill and a never-say-die determination to win the game which was not evident yesterday.
HH!!
Teuchtar
Brilliant clip bro, auld Stan &Ollie, canny beat it.
CQN annual duly dispatched to your sis for delivery to Vegas.
Need to speak to her about taking some biscuits over for Lorraine!
Speak soon son.
Ps some photos from LV would be good!
StephenofDerby is homage to my favourite Mossend boozer not anything to do with Engurland. God bless all the Moss Cross Celtic fans!!
Pat Crerand broke his heart when told he was leaving Paradise.
Read he had a disagreement over tactics being deployed in a game at Mordor with Mr McGrory
Sir Robert heard about it , blew a gasket and duly sold him!!!
would that be the derby inn then? do they still run a bus from there.
noticed the last time i was out that they had built some flats in the car park
been away for a bit – just recently re-gained my freedom if you know what i mean
Shimmies,
One from Mathis Suraez or Nelson Suarez to go with Joaquin Boghassain. 2 players.
Then buy Russell and Mackay Steven in summer.
Sorry Nelson Valdes
toscanabhoy @ 16 47 .
Prego !
Watched the Serie A highlights program last night —– 6 pundits [ plus the aging bimbo presenter ] spent a large chunk of the program debating / explaining Juve’s current malaise . Most enjoyable bits were the attempts to discuss Juve’s behavior after the Genoa game without mentioning the word hypocrisy
The actual quote from Kenyan FA is below. laptop loyal amended it to include Wanyama
by name.
“One of our players will soon be joining one of the big two clubs in the world. It is an exciting moment for us which means that Kenya is a powerhouse in football.”
Burghbhoy
Aye mate, lookin’ forward to the book at the Duffy re-union.
We will be down there for the Juve game at CP so the celebrations should be like the storyline from the hangover:)
Aye send over the biscuits…..I’ll make sure they are eaten….I mean delivered to Lorraine.
HH
Teucht(E)r ar la
Big Cath-o-lic, Yeah the Derby Inn still has a bus. All good ghuys. Dont use it myself, too poor/busy to get to games these days unfortunately. The Derby owner is a big CQN fan. Yes there are some flats built in the old car park but the bar is still there and as Celtic friendly as ever.
Burghbhoy
16:56 on 28 January, 2013
Pat Crerand broke his heart when told he was leaving Paradise.
Read he had a disagreement over tactics being deployed in a game at Mordor with Mr McGrory
Sir Robert heard about it , blew a gasket and duly sold him!!!
*I was at that game and we were well gubbed 4-0, I always thought it was Sean Fallon he fell out with at half time.
I met him years later and spent a bit of time in his company, I said to him if he hadn’t left we would never have heard of Bobby Murdoch, his response was if he had stayed we would never have heard of him as Bobby was that good, very humble mhan who just didn’t realise who he was to us older Tims.
Teuchter
Got it right this time. Haha
Burghbhoy
The major fall-out Pat Crerand had was with the late Sean Fallon, at ht during a game at Mordor. We were trailing 1-0 and ended up losing 4-0.
Pat also liked to speak his mind and also had some disciplinary problems, which did not go down too well with Bob Kelly who ruled the roost in those days.
Pat was in tears, apparently, when he was told he was being sold.
HH!!
As far as I remember, Crerand’s altercation was with the late Sean Fallon.
Tonitetim
U may be right, could have been Sean. Some story, players knew their place in them days, eh?
S.O.D – is it defo still all-green; i thought it had changed a bit in recent times; is there anything on at the weekend? although i have a tag on, i can get out till 7pm. do you still go up regular for a beer?
wouldnt frequent anywhere else in that toon – it was the scene of the troubles for me
TBB
Dont disagree with your observations… while I had to do with watching on C67, the switch in formation was obvious.
What I struggle to understand is why (i) we have so many of the one type of midfielder (SB, JL, VW, BK – all played largely as holding, and (ii) why do we seem to be getting so much less from players than they seem otherwise capable of …. JL was a more dynamic player in Wales… similarly SB (love his engine and his attitude, but not sure he has the tactical nous) looked much better when played wide right of a three man midfiled at Hibs…
We need more control and penetration from the centre of the park… in addition to the obvious benefits, it will open up space for out wide players, and allow our strikers to paly up front (whereas, because our midfield play so deep, GH keeps dropping back to become involved in the play)…. we need to use our pace to break more quickly, and our superior ftiness to outrun and outmove teams… but the centre mid is the heart of the team…
I dont think this team lacks heart, so much as it is lacking a centre mid.
But,. hey, if this coaching thing was easy, we’d all agree, and all do it… but we dont, so obviously it isn’t as easy as it seems from the cheap seats.
south of tunis
17:01 on
28 January, 2013
I’ve had wife and daughter with the flu for about ten days. It has seriously affected by viewing and listening time!
As for getting hold of the Gazzetta, I think I’ll have to wait for my next visit to the dentist!
Your updates are greatly appreciated.
Mike,
yip, agree again with much of that, but for pretty much every player to fail to turn up yesterday indicates (imo) a specific problem with the group on this occassion, rather than a coaching or tactics issue.
TBB
There really are no single issues to point to from yesterday but several:
1. Conditions – howling gale at zero degrees on a slippy pitch is not our best playing scenario – view – unlucky
2. Hampden – we ARE struggling to play here for some reason(s) – view – analyse and sort
3. The dreaded 3 man midfield. – When we play on a large open park like Hampden and have 3 against 5 the 3 have too much ground to cover resulting in shadow chasing – view – tactical wrong choice – sortable but wasn’t. Even got to half time level and could have been sorted.
4. Game of Your Life – Players who rarely get a sniff of a final/medal will die in a semi to get there. We need to match that passion and desire. View – If this was boxing we’d be on the canvas. Lost nearly all 50/50s.
5. Rusty – Wilson clearly was.
6. Uncomfortable – describes the two central defenders all day
7. Uninvolved – describes Lassad
8. Off form – nearly everyone played below their best
9. Full backs – roughly describes where they played most of the game
10. Movement and Passing – How many times will forwards make runs yet not get a forward pass? Midfield preferring short side pass instead? – view – two different games being played at the same time which does not maximise impact.
Overall – Had we taken our chances we would have won, even though we played badly and were largely out fought.
Gone now so onwards and upwards.
HH
As a young bhoy, my first hero was Paddy Crerand. I still think he was a better passer of a ball than Bobby Murdoch. But Bobby’s overall play made him in a class of his own. Mind you, I still think Charlie Gallagher was a better passer than wee Bertie. Again, wee Bertie’s overall contribution made him the mhan to hold down the number 10 jersey.
Thinking about it, we were simply blessed with truly great football players at that time.
Our current team badly needs someone who can sit in the middle of the park and open up a defence like any one of those 4.
TBB
Funny how two (obviously clever) gents can look at the same thing, and see the exact opposite….
If it had only been one or two players who were off, I’d agree its not a coaching issue, but when it is (and I agree – everyone was poor yesterday), then that tells me the problem isn’t with every player, but the one coach…
But, as they say, its a funny old game.
HH
50 shades at 14.13. Will do and thanks. HH
My Dear,Dear,Dear Friend….Kojo..
Great Tae Meet An’ Greet….
Ah Might Be In A Minority Oan Here…..
[So Whit’s New………………Ed ?]
But Ah’m Quite Pleased….
Tae See The Buddies Get Thru’ Tae The Final….
All This Talk Of Trebles….An’ The Like..
It Wid Be An Unco Unhealthy Situation…
In The Present Environment…..
If Celtic Were To Win ALL Domestic Competitions….
At A Time When Our Fiercest Rivals…The DeidHuns…
Are No Quite Deid Enough…..
But Languishing In The Lowest Tier Of Our National League….
An’ Receiving ‘Footballing Lessons’…..
Fae The Michty Montrose……
No….It’s Guid Tae See The Regional Clubs…
Gettin’ A Wee Bit A Success….
Tae Add Tae Their Ain History An’ Tradition…
An’ Help Them Towards…Financial Security….
Reaching The Semi-Final Stage In Cup Competitions….
Is Probably The Ideal Compromise For Celtic…..
Maximising The Financial Income…
Whilst Averting The Bitter Taste Of Defeat In A Final…..
So Ah’m Cheerin’ Oan The Dandy Tangerines…..
Tae Lift The Scoddish Cup…..
My Bad…?
As Tae The Manner Of Yesterday’s Defeat…
Now That….Is Quite Anither Matter…
Still……Happy As Larry
TBB – i sometimes think that they are just turning up and carrying out their 9-5 job.
st mirren defo had it all to play for; could it be that we now just lack the sense of occasion at celtic?
Tallybhoy. Memories eh? Frank Beattie was a fine player who was to loyal to Kilmarnock he could have been with a much biggar club he was a classy player who lived in Cambusbarron on the fringe of Stirling all his days, H.H.