Celtic have lost in the game immediately after three of their previous four European games, shipping nine points which could be crucial in determining the destination of the championship, so it was not surprising they were below par for much of the game yesterday. Fortunately, the Aberdeen goal came early enough to allow Celtic time to raise their game and respond.
How Celtic respond after European games will become even more crucial in the weeks ahead as they have visits to Motherwell, Dundee United and St Johnstone due after our next three Europa League games. Any slim championship aspirations will be extinguished in these games if Celtic are unable to improve performance for the league challenge.
Ally McCoist is defying early predictions and grinding out impressive results for Rangers, who will seldom have started the league with such an impressive defensive record. Six away wins from six games without conceding a goal is the kind of form it takes to win leagues.
Our more immediate challengers, Motherwell, dropped two points on Saturday, meaning we can go two points clear of them if we win our game in hand, however, the teams meet at Fir Park a week on Sunday (three days after Celtic play Rennes), in what looks like being a key game in our season.
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SFTB
McManus is the best centreback of the three you mentioned. he couldn’t organise, he was beaten in the air regularly,he dived in recklessly on many occasions and his use of the ball was atrocious.
if we are English championship level then lets recall our players and spend money on an experienced coach.
UC
Exiled
How many season has D0’D had to prove himself? A few, I can recall and never made the cut. Personally always liked him but assume he was rubbish trainer or something as he was constantly dropped.
I think it’s difficult to revisit Celtic treatment of some of the players you cite, as we were judging them when ambition/expectatations were different. By current standards and in full knowledge that we can expect nothing but freebies and loans from here on in..they start to look better than when we had bigger ambitions..?
The Battered Bunnet says:
24 October, 2011 at 23:52
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And maybe a goalie? Or is that just pushing it?
HH
Protestant refs in a Protestant country what does that tell you or maybe the para’s ripping right out of me.
I wonder why when celtic play rangers and on skysports the commentator needs to remind us collum is a RC hmmm..
THE EXILED TIM says:
24 October, 2011 at 23:46
SpongeBhoy SquarePants
My thoughts as well.
It will be interesting come the vote whether to allow the hun straight back into the spl, what will the board do?
Some well respected posters think they will vote against, others think not.
Whatever they choose, I hope they make the right decision for the long term future of the club, and that is a no vote.
I believe they could lose roughly half of ST holders if they vote yes, and that would be the end imo.
They deserve to be punished for their folly, and they deserve to suffer, like the rest of scottish football has suffered, and is still suffering because of their actions.
I haven’t got around to sorting the pics as yet, the grandweans are taking up all my spare time, they are here for the next ten days, will sort it when they are away, I am trying to do it from start to the finish, from the field to the processing plant.
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On this point, I think our board will vote no (they couldn’t be that stupid, could they?), fully aware that the rest of the SPL will vote yes. There’s more at stake for the other ten SPL teams than us and turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
re the peppers – looking forward to the:
Pics of Picking Peppers in the Pepper Picking Place :-)
Kojo
Given the budgets we’re playing with, and in terms of what we need to win SPL games and win a league, we should bring back Darren, I agree.
SFTB not Exiled… Ooops1
hen1rik
Getting PL on board is a scoop for the sfa, but will be a false sence of security if shareholders get their act together, it’s the individual shareholder who has been shafted.
sftb
Managers who would have them ?
At least we still have DoD and Joos on the books, they might yet play a part in our clubs history, DoD is way better imo than what we have presently, he has matured big time, he is up against better player week in week out, and is coping very well, he also coped well against what the euro threw at him, Joos, haven’t seen much, but the reports are good.
Big Mick, always liked him.
Opinions are like ass holes everybody has one :>)
setting free the bears says:
24 October, 2011 at 23:49
Stats prove that mostly Protestant refs in a Protestant country.
What would the outcry be if it was mostly RC referees and remember who gets most of the decisions in this country oops i keep forgetting they even themselves out..
MON
don’t do it..come Home!!
My dear,dear,dear,friend…Mullet and Co. @ 23.31
No a bad idea, kiddo..
Ah liked Young McCormack,when he played fur Motherwell..
so.. Ah reckon he musta Improved fae they Days..
Sure..
Ah wid Buy him, at the Next Windae.. if he wiz cheap.
Gary,is No Daeing the Joab..and He needs
COMPETITION..
That may be at the root of His Mysterious Lapse in Form
Ah don’t know enuff aboot his Personality tae Make a Sound Judgment wan way or anither..
But,Ah dae know that
There are a Loata Guys Who suddenly Perk up and Smell the Coffee.. when ..they look up.. and See a Big Dirty Sword, hinging over thur Heid!
Mebbe, that’s whit Gary needs.. Who Knows?..
Say .. Diz Anybuddy know where Ah could get a Big . Rusty .. Sword and a An auld Indoor Clothes Pulley?
Ah , suddenly, Jist Thought o’ Something.
Kojo
yer pal.. who likes ye,already.
Bloke
Just spoke to friends in Bray, it’s bad there as well, he is on high ground, but said that he feels for those not so lucky as himself.
In Rathcoole the water is cascading down the street at least a foot deep, it’s all over the facebook thing.
Ulster Celt
I agree with the sentiments. I was willing to accept a loanee return because of our injury record and not because I expect O’Dea or Hooveld to be radically different.
My preference would be to see Ramis come to Celtic but we may not have the money for that.
Cults Bhoy
Darren was more popular with our support because for an off field incident rather than for anything he contributed on the field.
Kojo
How many seasons do you give a player to prove himself?
sftb
I liked D OD..but as I said – he has had plenty of opportunity and not made the cut..so ‘Move on’ would be my call..
Players need to know if they come to Celtic they have to take their chance or it’s bye bye. Good, ambitious players welcome that challenge.
Players come now and think they’ve made it because they have a contract.
My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend..Bloke109
Pal.. we go back a Good while.
Ah always hiv respected yer opinion.
Ye are Right…
We need tae Bring Back Darren.. The Morro.. but, Ah Guess Jan wull Dae..
Ah dinna know the terms of HIs Loan Contract..
But..
If Ah hid hid anything tae dae wi Writing it..
a wid hiv Included a codicil. which said.. that Celtic reserved the Right to bring Back.the aforementioned …At any time.. according, to their Discretion.
Right?
Right.
Kojo
yer pal..who thinks ye are swell.
hen1rik
Of course most scottish refs will have come from a non-RC background, reflecting the demographics of the country.
I don’t want more RC refs to re-dress the balance. I want fairer refereeing from all denominations (and none) within the refs community. I felt we got fairer reffing from Craig Thompson ( I am assuming he is not RC) than we got from Collum last season. Brines and Stevie O’Reilly are equal opportunities incompetents, regardless of their (I assume) RC background.
The Exiled Tim
That is what I was hoping for. 1 supporter 1 vote.
MWD socialist principles.
Indeed,Leeds United are six points behind Southampton,but have a game in hand.
Statistics do not reveal the full picture…Leeds got off to a poor start,having a player sent-off in four consecutive games,putting more pressure on our Hunskelping Defender.(Who stands at 6’1’….not under six feet..and amazingly,can heid the ba’ with power and direction).
Taxi for Dan,Loovens….New legs for Rogne.Kelvin….Jury still out.
Paddy looked around,to pick out Zheng Zi,then opted to shoot for goal from an ACUTE angle.
Cults Bhoy
MON could have snapped his fingers and got back to CP at any time he wanted after he left.
He would choose Sunderland before Celtic even if salaries were equal. Don’t know if his pride would let him return to Leicester though.
I fear we have a serious number of MON love-sick puppies in our support who imagine he’d come back if we spent a bit more, or if PL left. I think that is a delusion and not a harmless one. It is more distracting than talking about Rangers
MWD
Fair play to you for that, I did have a wee smiley.
So far I think your survey has proved the thinking of the support, the board should pay heed.
This is something I’ve posted before:
Imagine you are a professional footballer and you want to do what all professional footballers want to do – Win
Imagine you are professional football manager and all you want to do is what all professional football managers want to do – Win
Imagine you have situation where your biggest competitors face severe repercussions due to dubious financial practices and the board who should be supporting you, appear not to be.
Imagine the effect that would have on your on field and management performances.
Something is not right at Celtic Park just now, we all know it. There is more to Celtic’s recent demise than meets the eye.
Time for the bed.
take care and god bless
HH
KTF
Somos el Celtic
My dear,dear,dear,dear,friend.. Cultsbhoy
Pal..
That is a Tricky question..
No a Simple wan.at awaw.at awe///.but, Ah wull gie it a Shot.
The Answer is..
It Depends.
It depends oan the Age of the Player.
The Younger he is.. the Longer Ah wull gie Him tae find His Feet.
Noo some players never dae find thur Feet..like.. well.. Flood..
he wiz fairly young.. but, it wiz obvious that if appeared to me that he wid Not IMPROVE..
and he Didnae.. Improve..
So..
And that is Anither Criterion that must be fulfilled afore Ah wid Mak a Judgment oan a Player’s Worth tae us..
If A Player Disnae Improve.. after.. Several… Ten? Outings in the First Team, .
as A STARTER… canny judge a Player oan..his only appearances being Substitutions
Then it is “Aff wi’ his Heid”
This conclusion could be taken.. after Half A Season.
So you can see that there is no simple answer tae yer query..
Howevah..
As soon as Ah noted Impovement in a New Player.. Ah wid then be Most
amenable in Keeping him.
Improvement.. and CONTINUING IMPROVEMENT is the Key .
to Winning.. The Heart of Kojo.
Yep.
Show Me Contnuing and Steady Improvement.. That is Awe Ah wull ever Ask fur.
in a new Player.
Kojo
yer pal..who likes ye already.
TSD
Darren O’Dea’s 6ft 1 in has him as smaller than Dan, K.Wilson and Hooveld. Rogne is the same height and Loovens height is recorded as 5ft 8, 5ft 10 and 6 ft 5 depending on what site you read so it’s hard to be definitive.
Anyway, would you not rule Darren out because he is a socialist? :-)
But look at it from my point of view.
You have a protestant country with mostly protestant referees and now you mention Craig Thompson does he not do contract work for rangers.
Come off it a top ref in Scotland who is Protestant and who gets paid from rangers geez a break favours for favours and I will remind you of the cup last season we lost. That went to extra time we should’ve got a stonewall pen and this could’ve put us in the lead or maybe I’m Defo too para.
Bloke
I’ve got ticket for Hibs on Wednesday in the house if you, or anyone you know, needs one mate?
Goodnight CQN
For those who are suffering tonight, for whatever reason, my thoughts are with you.
Hail Hail
Gotta Go.
Good Night Scotland
Good Night Ireland
Good Night Wales
Good Night England
Good Night Canada
Good Night New Zealand
Good Night Aurstralia
And
Good Night.. Henry McManon..wherever you are
Kojo
Honestly m8 you must be living in the wrong country if you think we’ll ever get fairer referees.
Just look at our corrupt establishment it says it all it’s been going on for years.
hamiltontim
Thanks, got one, and might have a spare too.
Awrabest mate.
Right everyone up early so night night and Hail Hail keep the faith.
sftb
Given even the most ardent M’On supporter knows he is never coming back..I don’t feel a bit of indulging in nostalgia is too harmful…surely?
Remember the good old days?
Bloke
Ah but they can have mine for free :)
Cheers mate.
fholks we need players with steel
the best in recent memory had steel:
mjallby; joos; bobo; reiper; lambo;lenny;petrov;thompson; sutton; hartson; henke
did Caldwell or ‘big’ Mick have it…naw they did not have it they got slapped about
there are a load of players on the books at Celtic now..how many have steel?
..Victor67; Beram; maybe Charlie?
do any of our loan guys have it …if they do why have the never shown it ?
if they don’t have steel they will not cut it at CP
let’s not be bringing back players that don’t have the stuff needed
let’s not be buying or borrowing any that don’t have the steel
CaressofsteelCSC
hen1rik
We will always believe that refs are biased against us and we have often had good evidence. But I’d rather they declared their club allegiance ( and Masonic or OO affiliations) than their religion.
Craig Thompson gave us a soft penalty tha, if Sammi had converted, could have won us a league.
Goodnight CQN
Cults Bhoy
“Given even the most ardent M’On supporter knows he is never coming back.”
I wish I could believe that. I have seen to many calls on here to get MON back to believe that our support have not got over him
G’night
And another thing….Darren has been playing at Left Back for Leeds Utd. this season,and played in the same position for Ipswich last season…..versatility.
Much better to have kept Joe Ledley at Left mid,with Darren slotting in at LB ,if required,where he looks more effective than Charlie.
Also,cannot see El K being retained after January….he’ll be away with Morocco from the first week in January,playing in the Africa Cup,with the final on 12th Feb.
Morocco one of favourites.
We should certainly not rush Izzy back from injury….he gets more sore ones in games than any other player in the SPL..
Better to get him properly fit for next season.
Forward Planning,Lennie….