I’m not convinced that any meeting of minds between Celtic and Legia Warsaw to allow the latter to take the place of the former in the Champions League play-off round would be recognised by Uefa. Having researched as thoroughly as possible, I’ve found no precedent for such an arrangement to be invoked.
It would, therefore, probably be safe for Celtic to take the high moral ground and acquiesce with Legia, but that would be a cheap shot at being generous, Celtic have no intentions of becoming involved, whether they have the opportunity or not.
The utter distress Legia are enduring because of an administrative oversight will cause untold damage. The club have to try everything possible, including an appeal which invokes Willie Maley and Jock Stein, but they must find a clear path through Uefa, which does not appear to exist.
What Celtic can do, is appeal to Uefa to have processes changed, just as we did in 1970 when we profited from the toss of a coin. Instead of clubs having the responsibility of checking available players, they could be issued with the same list the Uefa observer had on Wednesday, making this mistake less likely.
Current processes allow a minor infraction to cause disproportionate harm to a football club, and the tournament itself. Celtic should not hesitate in saying so.
Registration partially tightens tonight on player eligibility for our Champions League play-off round against NK Maribor. After today, clubs can only add one player to their squad for these games.
While it is important to get players in ahead of Maribor, I’m not convinced the arrivals will be able to have a transformational impact. It will largely be those already at Lennoxtown who will exorcise the demons of Murrayfield.
For what it’s worth, Maribor think they are absolute certainties to progress. Planning to analyse them in detail tomorrow; I’m not betting against them.
I was mystified as to how relegated Hearts managed to win away from home in their first game as a lower league club but now I’ve heard Ally McCoist blame the off-field input of Charles Green it all makes sense. How could any footballer reasonably expect to put in a shift with a former director speaking to the media some time earlier?
Delighted to hear the Daily Record swooped in to asset this as the reason for Newco Rangers demise yesterday. It’s the same deflection as went on during Murray/Whyte/Green years all over again. Why do they do this to themselves?
Let’s hope Ally sticks to his guns are clings to that contract like a fudge doughnut.
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big wavy
19:53 on 11 August, 2014
Beamish
I stand by my comment and believe the issue of signings is not the problem just another target….we’ve become a rather spoilt support it seems based on a clear path to local success and a lack of awareness at how Europe and money is fast moving us down to a lower level than we d care to admit….
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It’s equally plausible to suggest that the reason that we’re at this ‘lower level’ is actually BECAUSE we’re not spending money.
wits….
I’m sure you won’t forget to tell us should what you say come to pass.
I hope though you will be just as forward should you be wrong?!?!?!?
I do not believe there were ever `good old days`. Based on that, I am not sure if my memory of CQN seven years ago is accurate. I was very pleased when I `discovered` it and agreed with the raison d`etre of its existence ie to counteract a reactionary, anti-Celtic MSSM. Currently, there are far too many posters who simply reiterate that same MSSM`s puerile guff.
I said to a mate the other day that the Sevco fans in Arbroath were better people than their Glasgow counterparts but the Celtic fans in Arbroath were not as good as their Glasgow counterparts. I am beginning to think that there must be quite a few non-Glasgow Celtic fans on here ! ( Obviously, there are some brilliant guys on here from all over the place . My point is general.).
JJ
jc2
winger
Here’s the obligatory youtube highlight reel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deWQL7Rtb-4
jc2
oops mis read your post
CFC are brilliant ….their signing policy is spot on
The standard of the squad increases window to window
Every transfer window we spend all we can on players ……the performance of the team on the park is paramount
Great work guys ….
67Heaven
How is expecting signings, especially after we are given a massive reprieve re the CL being anti-board ?
Are you happy with the gamble Pedro is taking ?
Will you be happy if we don’t beat Maribor ?
If we get knocked out by Maribor, and god forbid are eliminated from the EL, who’s fault will that be ?
Cos from where I and many others are sitting, it’s down to the board.
I have never yet seen a new manager not getting backing, and this is what is happening with Ronny.
Now if the board don’t trust him by backing him, WTF did they appoint him for in the first place ?
Something is no right mi amigo.
HH
HT
We do spend money, just badly recently. We ll spend again and I hope we are less risk averse.
In my view are a growing band of malcontents who I believe would still remain so even if we spent a fortune.
Thought the window clunked at 11pm?
Yea? Nay?
I think! I type! I don’t give a flying snowball what any of you think about it!
Pipe it stick smoke! With a big stick oot of my tongue blowing a raspberry at you.
MWD says AYE :-)
Patrick27. In the main the players we have will have to get us over the Maribor matches we cannot expect new signings with little football behind them to turn it on.This was clearly shown the first match against Legia Warsaw when Berget was a passenger. H.H.
Tonev looked delighted to be in Glasgow.
Cheer up son ffs!
HH!!
MWD says AYE
big wavy
20:00 on 11 August, 2014
HT
We do spend money, just badly recently. We ll spend again and I hope we are less risk averse.
In my view are a growing band of malcontents who I believe would still remain so even if we spent a fortune.
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Do you think we need a striker?
If you do is it unrealistic to expect Celtic to sign one when we’ve just brought in in excess of £11m in transfer fees?
Evening SFt,
First of all, condolences to you for your recent loss.
Legia. Hee hee. Expected us to win but told my ultra pessimistic Polish mates to expect a good game.
Over the cycle we spend all the money we earn on players.
Forster, Matthews, Lustig, Ambrose, Izzy, Wanyama, and Johansen were about as cheap as Pukki, Balde, Biton, Rogic Boerrigter and Griffiths.
So!ething has gone wrong but it isn’t our net spend.
Big wavy
I am looking for CFC to prioritise the team on the park not the balance sheet
Very underwhelmed with the Club possibly signing Tonev on loan. We’ve banked £7.5million with an excellent opportunity to make upwards of £15million in the CL and we’ve done next to nothing in the transfer market.
Till later all
OVER & OVER
HamiltonTim
We need strikers like the desert needs the rain…
seems we have an °arsetrolloger° on the blog ………….
braw …..
Think the board have clicked they have hired a dud. Hence not giving him any cash to spend.
Jr67
25yrds wi his left, same wi his right.
He’ll dae.
This year we had a win win gamble and so far done our best the destroy it, TV money like never before, CL or EL and were aiming for EL with little chance of picking up much in cash for points and goals yet there are still plenty saying the board are playing a blinder, stupid huns we used to say eh
PFAYR
You’ll not get me arguing against that…
hamiltontim – yes its unreasonable of us to attract a top striker without guaranteeing them CL football.
If we got past Maribor then I think we need to admit our striker buying strategy of the past few years has failed – and push the boat out before CL.
If we don’t get past Maribor then I’m not sure who will want to come play for us.
I’m a sad happy clapper.
KevJungle is a Celtic fan…not a supporter.
So, Hugh Keevins will be back at Celtic Park on saturday – to do his job.
Question is, who spat the dummy at HK?
Neil Lennon?
Keevins has been making amends
Nearly once a week he has been telling us Celtic are a well run business
Kind of words PL likes to hear
malarkey,
Utter tosh, prove it
Lennon’s Passion, that’s the second time you have said OUR manager is a Dud without explanation. Providing analysis on football, formations, tactics please explain why you believe he is a dud?
Failure to do this will either let everyone conclude that it’s you who as a poster are, in fact a dud, or, indeed a Sevconian in which case- Liquidation. Roon ye.
I may be naive but could it be that our manager has not yet finished evaluating the players he has before he ventures into the transfer market.
It is funny that already Tonev has been described as useless and a board signing foisted on the manager.
Meanwhile in a secret room beneath Celtic Park Dermot Desmond, Peter Lawwell and the rest of the board of directors chant arcane incantations to reanimate the corpse of rangers before an idol formed from the melted down Seville money.
Please note other conspiracy theories are available and your blood pressure may go up as well as down if you are a Celtic supporter.
Burgashoops….
Tonev’s career stats…..
Like you I have actually seen him play more than once.
Never let the facts get in the way of your opinion mate ey?
As of match played 5 April 2014[9]
Club Season League FA Cup League Cup Other Total
Division Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals Apps Goals
CSKA Sofia 2007–08 A PFG 2 0 0 0 – 0 0 2 0
2008–09 A PFG 17 2 0 0 – – 17 2
2010–11 A PFG 23 2 3 0 – 8 0 34 2
Total 42 4 3 0 – 8 0 53 4
Sliven 2000 (loan) 2009–10 A PFG 23 1 0 0 – – 23 1
Total 23 1 0 0 – 0 0 23 1
Lech Poznań 2011–12 Ekstraklasa 28 2 1 0 – – 29 2
2012–13 Ekstraklasa 24 4 1 0 – 6 1 31 5
Total 54 7 2 0 – 6 1 62 8
Aston Villa 2013–14 Premier League 17 0 1 0 2 0 – 20 0
Total 17 0 1 0 2 0 0 0 20 0
Career total 136 12 6 0 2 0 14 1 158 13
Can someone remind me about the great signings we made when we qualified for the CL last season ?
Remember the days Celtic would sign blokes no one had ever heard of. A Honduran full back, a Mexican midfielder, a young midfielder from Beershot, a Japanese ‘free kick specialist’ from some second rate Italian team. Some Dutch midfielder who’s name sounds like Dick Van Dyke.
Bring back the collective shout from the support of ‘Who?’ With the next signing!
James Forrest
“The strategy actually creates this appearance of chaos.”
That’s a phrase that maybe calls for some elaboration. I think you are mistaking the strategy as the agent of chaos when it is a response to chaos we cannot alter, the market conditions.
“but I would stipulate that the strategy will never let those good Celtic teams become great Celtic teams,”
Again, it is the market (Bigger clubs with more money, TV distortions, CL’s glass ceiling) that make this a problem. If DD and PL tried tomorrow to sell fewer or none of our star players, we might get better results and we might make further Euro progress. For that to happen we would need to persuade them to stay by paying them more and surrounding them with better players so that their playing ambitions become more likely to be fulfilled. We saw that, when we paid Henrik to stay (a wonderful outcome), we had to pay EPL type wages to Sutton, Hartson and Lennon to come. We had to pay increased contracts to the support staff, our better “non-stars” (for want of a better phrase) like Mjallby, Lambert, Thompson and Valgaeren. It led to a situation where we could not offer Jackie Macnamara, a good but not indispensable member of the squad, enough to satisfy him ancd caused him to leave for Wolves to make more money.
There is a knock-on effect to any decision and your alternative proposal that we “speculate to accumulate” by retaining our stars and pay them what they ask for , is full of holes too. We are just going back to the MON strategy and trying to forget how that ended. It’s as much nostalgia as an alternative.
“The strategy allows us no continuity. It means every summer, every transfer window, will be spent doing this, waiting to sell players and crossing our fingers that they can be replaced. I am long past sick of it.”
It is a sickener for every football fan of nearly every club from the smallest to the highest. Christiano Ronaldo left Man U, Suarez left Liverpool, Kroos left Bayern. These were not decisions any of their fans wanted but they happened. Even those clubs at the top of the tree (Real, Barca) who do not seem to lose players they want to keep are having to resort to some dodgy schemes in order to keep going with it.
I am more than aware that my mantra of “stay alive and trade your way to gradual improvements until our setting changes for the better” is unlikely to get anyone’s passions up and rallying to the cause.
Passion is not, of itself, a good or a bad thing. It can lead you to good places and bad places. The head has a role to play as well as the heart. I love the promises and thrill that “speculate to accumulate” promises. I am also aware of the cold reality of waking up with no money and a pocket full of failed bets. I can afford to back Balde at £5 on the nose to win, or Tonev at £10 each way but I cannot afford Bale at £1000 to win or Juan More-Shineyblingio at £500 because Bale bust his leg so I need to speculate again.
Hearing that Platini has promised Boniek a play off.
It will be played at Old Trafford behind closed doors. We remain 4-1 down and the banned player can play.
Mr Z is to be the referee and Paul 67 and BRTH are his assistants.
You may think the above far fetched but who would bet against UEFA coming up with something as farcical as this?
So Lennon’s Passion and a few others tell us after two bad games Ronny is a dud despite the fact he has had no money yet these same people told us to give Mowbray money, and where probably saying we should give Mowbray more time the few days before we decided to cut our losses on Mowbray. What has Deila done that means we can’t give him the same resources and chances we gave to Mowbray to get it right? Maybe cause he’s not from the Islands of Britain but that is not his fault.
Porto have received 700 million Euros on transfers out in the last ten years.
PortoQuickNews CSC
owen
Read his stats. He’s no saviour. We were dire in last season’s CL and we’re notably weaker now. Sad but true.