I’m not convinced that any meeting of minds between Celtic and Legia Warsaw to allow the latter to take the place of the former in the Champions League play-off round would be recognised by Uefa. Having researched as thoroughly as possible, I’ve found no precedent for such an arrangement to be invoked.
It would, therefore, probably be safe for Celtic to take the high moral ground and acquiesce with Legia, but that would be a cheap shot at being generous, Celtic have no intentions of becoming involved, whether they have the opportunity or not.
The utter distress Legia are enduring because of an administrative oversight will cause untold damage. The club have to try everything possible, including an appeal which invokes Willie Maley and Jock Stein, but they must find a clear path through Uefa, which does not appear to exist.
What Celtic can do, is appeal to Uefa to have processes changed, just as we did in 1970 when we profited from the toss of a coin. Instead of clubs having the responsibility of checking available players, they could be issued with the same list the Uefa observer had on Wednesday, making this mistake less likely.
Current processes allow a minor infraction to cause disproportionate harm to a football club, and the tournament itself. Celtic should not hesitate in saying so.
Registration partially tightens tonight on player eligibility for our Champions League play-off round against NK Maribor. After today, clubs can only add one player to their squad for these games.
While it is important to get players in ahead of Maribor, I’m not convinced the arrivals will be able to have a transformational impact. It will largely be those already at Lennoxtown who will exorcise the demons of Murrayfield.
For what it’s worth, Maribor think they are absolute certainties to progress. Planning to analyse them in detail tomorrow; I’m not betting against them.
I was mystified as to how relegated Hearts managed to win away from home in their first game as a lower league club but now I’ve heard Ally McCoist blame the off-field input of Charles Green it all makes sense. How could any footballer reasonably expect to put in a shift with a former director speaking to the media some time earlier?
Delighted to hear the Daily Record swooped in to asset this as the reason for Newco Rangers demise yesterday. It’s the same deflection as went on during Murray/Whyte/Green years all over again. Why do they do this to themselves?
Let’s hope Ally sticks to his guns are clings to that contract like a fudge doughnut.
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Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire
Its not the case that I think our whole budget has been spent. We should be a bit flush right now. But if you believe the accounts (and I do) we have spent all the cash in the past and probably will again.
I cannot “prove” that I can only predict that the future will be like the immediate past.
SFTB,
I was simply paraphrasing your mantra
Emdy want to talk about players we have?
Would love to see Henderson given a run at CM, Broonie at RM, Johansen at LM.
Would love to see Thumb given a run at CF, two from Forrest/McGregor/Tonev either side of him.
We have 2 very good RB’s & 1 decent youngster.
We have 1 very good attacking LB who’s no that good at defending.
We have 1 very good CB and 1 bombscare (IMO!)
We have a very good GK with fitness concerns & 1 no bad yin who can be a bombscare at times.
See how long this yin last…
hamitontim
Yes. I’d have signed May before Griffiths certainly (more Euro goals than Stokes!). I totally agree with that .
SettingFreethe Bears 20:32:-
Carl Muggleton played 12 games for Celtic.
Wayne Biggins played 9 games for Celtic.
Gary Holt and Justin Whittle played 0 games for Celtic.
They were signed by an awful manager on the pittance handed to him by an incompetent and skint board. They cost a total of £200,000 in transfer fees and probably pennies in wages.
The team that they very occasionally played in also had Tom Boyd, Paul McStay and John Collins, all of whom would walk into the current Celtic team any day of the week.
The four players you mentioned were not up to the job and quickly moved on.
Teemu Pukki has played more games than Celtic than Muggleton, Biggins, Holt and Whittle combined. Despite having scored less than 30 goals in his club football career – most of which were scored in Finland – Pukki was signed by Celtic for £2.4 million and will be on around £15,000 per week.
We may not yet be at rock bottom but we are making a habit of making unfathomable decisions in the transfer market which are reducing the quality of our team and draining cash out of the club – both in terms of wages spent on duds and revenue lost from cancelled season tickets as fans vote with their feet.
bournesouprecipe
20:16 on 11 August, 2014
Porto have received 700 million Euros on transfers out in the last ten years.
PortoQuickNews CSC
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Astonishing.
Now any chance of getting a couple of their scouts?
That is remarkable
raberto67
I’d like to see Matthews tried as an out and out winger.
TET
That kind of creativity will probably cost more than we would be prepared to pay.
Someone the other night likened Tonev to a poor mans Steve Guppy….
Can’t mind who posted…. I hope they are wrong….. Please be wrong…..
BTW I liked Steve….
The days off the marqee signings are long gone. We just need to grow a few of our own and unearth some gems. Simple. ?? Focus on Maribor….
For those quoting the stats for Tonev and sneering at his lack of goals and assists please publish the stats for Paul McStay.
canamalar
‘I never called you the voice of reason either,”
Don’t worry, I got the intent in what you said. I knew you were not agreeing :-)
” I do question where you get the idea that anyone who voices their dissent whether that is echoed by the majority, is not the voice of reason which is what you implied. As apparently only those arguing against the majority can be considered the voice of reason.”
I think it may be what you inferred and ,again, once you use the word, “apparently”, you are speaking about your view and not mine.
Of course, I believe (sic) my view is the correct one, otherwise I would not be expressing it. You believe yours is too. But neither of us becomes any more right by being in the majority or in the minority.
SFTB
what you honestly dont know yet you are using these as examples.
Yes they were all eventually sold but not until they were told thatt hey would be stating put for another year due to their respective clubs football concerns.
Did that pass you buy or too difficult to contemplate ? ;-)
HH
HT
Possibly, but as for strikers.
We could have signed this guy for a mill of your brit pounds.
I enthused about him last year, scoring in a better quality league than we are in, goal scores score goals, this guy scores goals
I wonder if JP’s sat nav really is working !!!
HH
The two league games are taking on a huge level of importance for me. I want to see improvement, the clicking into gear and good standard of football that will give me hope we can see off Maribor.
Two poor league openers heading into the Maribor tie with a loanee the only squad addition, will not auger well for our chances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_%C5%A0%C4%87epovi%C4%87
Oops, forgot the link
HH
martim1980
20:13 on 11 August, 2014
I’m not jumping on any bandwagon have said from the start this man is to inexperienced to manage Celtic.
Read all the flannel he comes out with uses a lot of buzz words. Remembers me of AVB all talk.
Then we get to our first real challenge as manager and he picks a team that baffles everyone. 4-1 oops give him time.Second bite at the cherry need goals. One striker and tatcits well what tactics.
Finally he’s not getting the players playing for him. Baffles them IMO
All this equals DUD
canamalar
“I was simply paraphrasing your mantra”
Well, stop doing that. I will be responsible for my words and you can be responsible for yours. Deal?
the exiled tim
20:27 on 11 August, 2014
HT
We need to make the chances first and foremost.
We need a middy who can see the pass that kills, we don’t have him.
Agreed we need a striker, but imo, we need to sort the mid first, win the mid, win the game.
HH
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Get Henderson and Griffiths in the team and I’m positive we will see immediate improvement.
Starting on Wednesday.
I used to have an Opel Mantra coupe.
Green it were.
Auldheid braw
bit baffies oan or linoleum the world ………..I like it …..braw
“arse troll o ger” was braw too though ….hehehehe braw
I posted yesterday about the likely future for Celtic and tried to question the theory that Celtic need to sell around £20m worth of players each summer in order to break even. I’ve obviously not posted an accompanying racist comment, made remarks about someone’s sanity or made inane references to a no mark journalist … In order to draw comment.
However, would anyone agree that with the squad as is and Champions League participation unlikely, we won’t be selling anyone next year for nearly as much and will turnover less. That being the case, if you believe that Ronny is the man and that he is not responsible for the 6-1 aggregate result against Legia would you accept that we would need to strengthen the side next year using cash at the bank?
We appear to have signed two loan players now who we have already agreed purchase fees for in the event that we want to activate those. Not a bad idea given that next years player recruitment then becomes crucial to getting access to Europe. However, that still leaves us with this apparent need to put about 4million pounds on the valuations of our best players in order to make the £20m income we seem to need.
Assumming VVD goes in this window then our next saleable players are James Forrest and Adam Matthews. That’s in terms of £value not value to the team. We need to hope that Matthews and Forrest stay fit and up their game to achieve the plus £6m targets we apparently need for them.
Supersutton
What’s the rationale behind your last post
Don’t want to be wantonly rude to you if you don’t deserve it
An Dun.We still have the option still to bring in another player before the Maribor game. H.H.
Malarkey
Interesting. I’ve had similar thoughts about Izzy on the other side, due to the fact he can’t defend. Would need a solid, sitting LB behind him. IMO opinion Matthews doesn’t have the quickness of feet to make the wee half a yard for a cross that Izzy has on the other side. Having said that, I rate AM higher overall. His engine and better defensive abilities (although still limited at times IMO) would make him a good shout for RM. I think this is SB’s best position though, but doubt he’d get a run there.
an dun,
Sorry if ye thought I was being snappy with you in the early hours regarding McIlroy.
Apologies pal.
Tonev has signed, good luck HH
The exiled Tim…..why the link to Serb?
The question is, will there be anymore tonight before the deadline?
If it is the keeper then fair enough and we can still get a Wildcard.
the glorious balance sheet
A fair point.
One of the problems with recalling the past is accessing the suppressed and buried memories. I knew Whittle and Holt had not played. I am surprised to see how few were the occasions that Biggins and Muggleton were there.
My over-arching point still stands. Boyd & Collins or no, that team was poorer over the course of a season than any team of the past 15 years. The current team would have to do spectacularly badly in the league this year to match them
SFTB,
Instead of playing semantics why don’t you simply clear it up, you said those who argued against the “mob” were the voice of reason, is that correct ? If so doesn’t that imply my interpretation was correct ?
Many on here suggest we ban the SMSM. I agree.
We have placed a ban on Keevins. Not sure the full background as to why but instictively support. As the SMSM seem to get worse and more adversarial to us and more and more of us say ban the lot…the Leckie’s, Keefs, etc, what do we do?
It appears we welcome / allow Keevins back in. To be fair to him he tried to dance his way all around why he’s being allowed to return but what message does this give our support?
Well, some may think the plc don’t care.
Every day my share certificate seems paler and paler on my wall…….
SFTB,
Was Scottish football not far better and more competitive then ?
Welcome Aleksander. Hope your stay at Celtic is a good one.
HH
Just wondering when did we last become judge and jury about a manager before he played a league game
Its not as if sevco is breathing down Ronny and our necks
Unlike the much maligned Tony Mowbray in that ultimate year of honest mistakes Ronny has time and no Rangers needing the money or their bust influencing the game
Tri
I agree 100%.
LG has to start through the middle, he is wasted out wide.
I like LH, works his butt off, not scared of a tackle, holds the ball well and can see a pass, and gives not a jot about others reputations.
Pity we don’t have more like them.
HH
“Celtic were on their way to play Airdrie when Jimmy McGrory saw reserve goalkeeper Jimmy Goldie wearing his Celtic scarf on his way to the game. McGrory stopped the bus, brought Goldie on board and played him as a reward for supporting the team. Crazy stuff like that was going on. ”
You think times are tough CSC
snake plissken
20:48 on 11 August, 2014
The question is, will there be anymore tonight before the deadline?
If it is the keeper then fair enough and we can still get a Wildcard.
….
That post smacks of desperation mate.
You are bang on the money though.
I have gave up.
We need about 4 or 5 players.
Both Mathews and Izzy are not good enough as defenders any team when getting a free kick or corner only need to put two six footers on them and we are in bother.Both are poor at stopping getting crosses into the box. H.H.