I didn’t hear the scores of other games this weekend until today when I read a red card protest (remember the day Celtic fans gave birth to this concept?) occurred at Ibrox to demonstrate disapproval to any potential new owner who plans to liquidate Rangers.
It would be preferable to everyone if Rangers paid their bills, restoring a degree of dignity, although apparently no one is offering to do this. Publicly bidders for the club will all confirm their preference is to exit administration via a Creditors Voluntary Arrangement (CVA). Offering pennies in the pound for a company is unquestionably a great deal, for the buyer, but whoever is nominated as preferred bidder this week is likely to have a serious option to liquidate the club.
Demonising the liquidation option carries risks for Rangers fans. Short of raising considerably more money than they have thus far and paying their bills, there is little fan power can do right now. If liquidation is the best option for creditors it will happen, better to accept the reality of the situation. Whatever the resulting phoenix club is called, if the new owners inherit animosity from the start it will only diminish the potential of their new club.
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T4
No way depressed, infact the total opposite.
The blog is open to all, I have no problem with that, it’s what makes the blog what it is, and I have the right to post the way I feel.
Living in a cave, the dreams are amazing, back to reality.
RE Tommys tax verdict,
not a chance of HMRC accepting £5 million for the unpaid paye
and national insurance that is reported to be £9 million,
this figure will not be up for negotiation
Edward Ursus
Great post. He did advise me of your nights of indulging in Mood altering substances shall we call it over a few beers in Dublin’s fair city.
As you say, he was a great guy. The anniversary of his first death is not far away. I was truly gutted when he passed away. I think most CQNers that had the privilege of having met him, felt the same.
Great, great guy who truly hated Rangers but had the highest regard for you.
Hail Hail
Roccobhoy
Zbyszek
Thanks for saying how it is with Ed in your opinion.
A few on here need to take a good look in the mirror.
THE EXILED TIM
I did not say you were racist. Yes, I did and still do have a problem with that post.
Re. EU. He is here for couple of years. Never has been banned.
I have a problem with that talk about EU. Not defending him, but the rules of this place. If I’m wrong, email to Paul67, or you all leave it to him.
EDB,
We are all entitled to our opinions what I wrote was mine and meant every word.
Martin42
EDB
Your choice.
A man can’t say what he feels.
I never said I had a problem with yer man, he is what he is.
Just not in my world, why the hell do you think I left the shithole of a sectarian country it is, they hate us, always have, always will.
T4 i get more respect from rangers supporters…….. bliddy Bow team …….im angry now
T4
Will stick to 2 legs kicking a ball about (rather than 4 jumping fences) – I have expert knowledge in getting football results wrong! :-)
Roccobhoy
Tried messin aboot wae the email earlier but couldn’t type replies in.
If you have a spare 10 mins tomorrow then call me and I will regale answers?
H H
Praecepta,if you dont mind me asking,what was your golf bet
and how much did you get back,i can maybe explain how it works,
or check you were paid correctly
My sister paid me a visit this morning clutching the daily record,i was just about to give her laldy for posessing such a rag…she then starts to belt out see that scarf neils wearing its mine cos i gave it to him at celtic park on sat. she is sure fair chuffed…her latest now is how can she go about getting a photo of her latest pin-up wearing this scarf……guess this guy lennon must have something…so guys how does she get a photo go i can get some peace…………………on the subject of ED probably a lot of the their fans will drift away through time…only the bigots will make the effort 90%….supporting a team which cannot account for money raised for charities…… maybe the media will now think twice about making a big noise about poppygate in the future
TET
I know lots of us who love being Scottish and living here.
Mind you I must be a turd I suppose if I enjoy living in a shithole.
Hail Hail
Estadio
TET
Where did the assault happen?
Hey Ed ye cannae beat a bit o green even if it does give you the blues ,)))
HH
gordybhoy64 on 9 April, 2012 at 23:05 said:
Praecepta,if you dont mind me asking,what was your golf bet
and how much did you get back,i can maybe explain how it works,
or check you were paid correctly
_________________________
£5 e.w. @33/1 first 5 places with P.P. – got £10-52 back. :-(
Smashing Milk Bottles
Will do my best to phone u mate.
I’ll be busy in work and the team I coach have a match tomorrow evening but will definitely do my best to phone u even if it’s simply to interrupt your few beers by the pool!!!! :)
Hail Hail
Roccobhoy
Martin42 :- I read that post on Saturday and it brought a smile to my face, being honest I think you will be able to post it for the next few seaons as I don’t see any club being able to mount a competitive challenge.
I’d go as far to say that if Mr Lennon lives up to the promise he has shown and if he gets the board to back him in strengthening the team you could dominate for some time to come.
EDB :- It’s good to exchange pleasantries with you again and I hope all is going well with you and yours. You are one of the vast majority on here that I could disgree with without rancour.
Zbyszek :- As with EDB and Mr 42 you are another hom I’ve missed in my absence you always bring a refreshing view to the site, if your dream comes true and your team does meet Celtic in the C.L I’ll be using you as a reference to gain honorary Polish nationality for the games :-)
Eddie U
Mistakes in Latin are easily made,and by the best of us.
I`m told that the ” annus horribilis ” should have been ” annus horrendus.”
:-)
Nice to hear from you,especially under ” current ” circumstances.
Did we dodge a bullet with McFadden?
twgm
In the Falkirk area, just venture outside, they even have the kerbstones painted in their fav colour, tis a long story how I ended up there.
I have never encounterd hatred like that before.
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Estadio
If you want to call yourself that, your choice.
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I knew that post would out those who really don’t like me.
I tell it like I see it, and the hun lovers have a go, if I had been racist, I could understand, I have even said I don’t hate, they do btw, I don’t, and still the hate comes my way, very enlightning tonight.
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Hey Kojo
You have a rival :>)))
gordybhoy64 on 9 April, 2012 at 23:05 said:
Apologies – can’t even read my own bet – placed it twice so it was actually £10 e,w, in total.
Memo to self: stick to football.
Before I post should I declare my blood stock?
Brought 2 bhoys up Celtic fans their Da he didn’t support my team he supported Ed’s – my neighbours give the youngest one some amount of grief for being a Celtic Fan – yet when his Dad pops up for a visit they couldn’t be nicer! Turn the other cheek son! We do our talking on the park! No room in my life for Bigots either side!! The Celtic I know and love is all inclusive regardless of who your Mum or Dad is!
Ed – hope your well
Martin42 – Glad to be standing again!
Delighted to be champions again! HH
Zbyszek on 9 April, 2012 at 22:54 said:
Vmhan
I understand your point and TET’s point. I’m enough long here to learn the history. I’ve read about Irish in Scotland. Heard the stories about Irish who had to do boxing fights to keep the job. Know the stories about “No job” for Irish etc.
I’m telling it’s Paul67′s blog.
Why the hell Edward Ursus has to take all the sins on his back?
Some of yhe posters say they are better than Rangers supporters who are bigots but write with hate?
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Mr Z and Edward…… you both would be most welcome in the Green Brigade, Edward ….. well i treat Ed the same as me, no better and no worse, he may not like the songs of course ha! Ed widnae but you would……
Edward, Ive only seen posts supporting you on here and not seen the other posts….. anyway one love to you and the family…….. great pposts about Steph….. two P’s there I think I’ll just leave them ha
reading through some of the angry posts tonight
i think most of them are understandable-iv had a lifetime of
2nd class treatment in this country-a lifetime of denied
opportunity-its only been crystalised in the past year-
thats all-let off some steam bhoys-HAIL HAIL
Tet pack that in…….. I get it :¬)
Praecepta,
get back to the bookies tomorrow,you were robbed,
you shoud receive £34.69 for your bet,Kuchar was in a 3
way tie for 4 places so the return is 3/4 of the full place payment of
£46.25
Said Phillip to Lizzie as they sat down to dine
Evening folks, Mostly a lurker and infrequent poster, just logged in for a wee read and saw Ed was back. Just like to say, its nice to see you posting again, I know we have never conversed but I do like your posts.
PB
Hello Gents
I dont post often, but have been a lurker, and infrequent poster, since the very early days, so I remember EU from his pre-EU days.
I dont think EU really needs me to defend him (he is obviously big enough and clever enough to do so all by himself), and I have never even conversed with him, but I find myself compelled to do so.
I say this as someone who is a trained Catholic theologian, and one who was born in Scotland, but associates more closely with Ireland, and finds it hard to distinguish my support for Celtic from those issues. As such, this issue is one with which I myself have struggled – that is, can there be decent supporters of Rangers, or does their very support of such a bigoted instituion automatically mark their card.
I have pondered this question as my brother’s best pal is a dyed in the wool R***s fan. However, as he is a good friend of my brothers, and is married to a nice Jewish lady, and having known him for 10 years or so, I have to conclude that he, himself, is not bigoted. In spite of same, I have always felt a bit uncomfortable around him, and have tried to determine why that is, and if it is something that I can justify or not.
Sadly, I am embarassed to admit that it is something that I cannot justify.
Ultimately, what it comes down to for me is that, while I struggle to understand why any right minded person would wish to be associated with a club so tied to bigotry, and I would argue that most R***s fans are bigoted (even if you ONLY sing THOSE songs at games, or because everyone else does… if you think it is right to sing those songs anywhere at any time, you are a bigot), it must be remembered that (i) R***s were not always so bigoted, and (ii) there is an element where they should be able to celebrate their (Protestant, British) traditions, just as Celtic celebrate their (Irish and Catholic) roots. the problem for most R**S fans is that they cant distinguish between being proud of their own history, and looking down on us and ours.
Just as being pro-Celtic (or even pro-Irish) for a Celtic fan does not necessarily mean being Anti-british, it is theoretically possible for a R***s fan to be pro his or her own heritage without necessarily being anti-Catholic or anti-Irish. The sad reality is that most R***s fans would not make the distinction (and, in my experience, most hold some racist views), but, having considered it further, I believe that it is not necessarily the case.
Further, it must be noted that, in its past, Celtic have not always acted perfectly as a club. Although I cannot say so definitively (really I have no evidence – it is more of a feeling) I dont think I am in alone in thinking that Jock Stein’s religion played a part in the club’s failure to offer him a seat on the board, when the time came. ( I know this point is quite contentious, but, this is the opinon I have come to hold… it may be wrong ) …. But, this doesn’t mean that the club, or even all the directors, were to be written off as bigots, or that Celtic (even if not perfect) should be compared to R***. How many bad acts does it take to make a club bad? Is it one really bad act, or is it the majority of the acts that define the club?
Clearly, when it comes to sectarianism, one club hired anyone regardless of religion, while the other didn’t. But, because they are more wrong (and they are much, much, more wrong), that doesn’t make us 100% right all of the time. However, you have to look at the totality of their history and ethos.
And, like a club, you have to look at the totality of the person (and not simply one act) when determining someone’s character. On that score, from the years of posting on here, EU seems like a genuinely good person, who, by all accounts, works to combat racism/sectarianism, and has spoken out on this forum against the bigots in his club (and, I suspect, elsewhere).
Some on here (and in my own mind, I am guilty of doing the same, sometimes) would condemn him for not doing enought, i.e., failing to publicly confront the bigots at R***s. Frankly, none of us know what EU has done, and, on this score, he would have to be frankly a bit crazy to go to IB*X and start calling them bigots. He wouldn’t make it out alive. And that is probably more than can reasonably be expected, and I dont think his failure to do so renders him a racist or a bad person.
As I said, I have struggled with this question. But, giving it some thought, I believe that people like EU or my brother’s friend are decent people who (usually, through no fault of their own, but rather by vagaries of the families into which they were born) were brought up as blue noses.
So, my conclusions?
in light of the fact that I believe the vast most of R***S supporters hold bigoted views, I will continue on the assumption that they are bigots, unless and until I have seen some reason to believe otherwise. However, as much as it sort of goes against my gut feeling, my head says that it is POSSIBLE to be a R**s supporter and not a bigot. As such, when one of them (such as EU or my brother’s friend) shows himself over time to be a good and decent person (and not a bigot), then my initial mistrust must give way to the evidence.
In this case, to my mind, EU has over the years shown himself to be a fundamentally decent person who has an unfortunate character flaw :) of being a blue nose, but he is certainly no hun ( a bigoted R***S fan).
If EU is ever in Canada, and wants to watch a game, I would be pleased to do so in his company. I know that he is not too likely to take me up on my offer, so, perhaps I have to make the effort to watch a game with my brother and his pal.
Old prejudices (including my own) die hard, but, EU has the class and good grace to come on here and try to build bridges (because, given his comments, I do think there is an element of that in his doing so). I think for everyone’s sake (including my own), we should commend him for the initiative.
I recognize that, if Scotland is to improve as a society in dealing with itsbigotry, the vast majority of the movement must come from ‘the other side’, but ‘we’ must be prepared to see and recognize when someone from the other side reaches out and tries to make things better. They (someone like EU) might not always do it as vocally, or in the manner, that we would like. But, I have to ask myself, would I have the courage to do what others are demanding of EU? Probably not. If I were EU, would I continue to come back on here when he repeatedly gets grilled? Probably not. Can I really criticize someone if I wouldn’t do the same myself? Probably not. Could EU do more? Even though I dont know him, I have no doubt in saying yes. We all could do more to combat bigotry, or other ills. But none of us can do it all…. we (incuding blue noses – I am not sure about Huns – are just people, and not one is perfect.
As much as it pains me to say this about any R***s supporter, EU is a bigger man than I am – I might lurk on some of their sites, but that is only to revel in thier suffering. I wouldn’t join in like EU does. If EU is prepared to join in the conversation here, then I am a better person for it, and I for one welcome and thank him for his contribution to the discussion.
As I said, EU, if you are ever in Toronto, I would be pleased to buy you a beer and share your company for a game (preferably one in which the Bhoys pump your lot!).
Anyways, lads, just my thoughts. I will be back later to look in if anyone has any thoughts, etc.
Cheers.
Edward,glad you are back posting
Like Roccobhoy said earlier i discussed you with the late Pablophanque and he spoke highly of you ,(Rocobhoy was there that night) and that was good enough for me.
Ive just had a note from an auld friend of mine
@tommyinglasgow: i dont care if no one believes me,until last month i was held as a loonie,&thats my prefered position,best place 2 be during #MASONICCOVERUP
roy croppie on 9 April, 2012 at 16:26
5 stars disappearing into a black hole would be an appropriate badge.
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A super massive credit crunching multi million solar mass black hole
Boy have they got sucked into a big one..:)
Five stars on their way to hell
Praecepta,just seen your further post,obviously you would
be entitled to double what i said,assuming the bet was placed at a 1/4 odds for
place terms
his name was big Goerdie and he’s loyal and true
and his favourite colour was the colour of blue.
TET – “very enlightning tonight”….you said it!
The combination of your post and the thought of returning to work in the morning has dampened what was left of my Champion vibe. :-(
T4
he said that the rangers were right on their game
and asks for a trophy to add to their fame