It’s a well-established fact that we don’t have Beckenbauer and Baresi at the back, so the reason why we chose to play so high up the field is the most alarming element of last night’s debacle.
Dedryck was bound to misplace a pass, or Efe was bound to misread play. We all knew this. Regret over the last time mistakes like this were made doesn’t mean they won’t happen again. So when the inevitable occurred, our two full backs were 30 yards in front of the line of opposition attack, with our defensive mids well into opposition territory.
Efe’s failure to cover Kamara and Dedryck’s pass were consequences of the main mistake of the night, which was tactical. We didn’t lose the opening goal because of a bad pass, it was lost because we left an acre of Norway unattended.
Ronny, you should never have left so much space at the back away from home in Europe, we’re clearly not good enough for such an open system, not even close. We’ve learned nothing since what was supposed to be a lesson in Warsaw, when the same expansive errors cost us. Molde played rope-a-dope football, they could have watched us against Malmo, Maribor and Legia, as each opened their home games against us in exactly the same manner.
It must be an absolute joy to face a European opponent at home who leaves so much space at the back, begging to be exploited. If we had played with the same tactics we used in Amsterdam I’ve no doubt we would have won the game – no one in that Molde squad would get into the Celtic team.
There’s more. After dominating possession and creating genuine chances, the defeat looked inevitable from the 11th minute when we went behind. Body language changed in an instant and Celtic went out like a light. I’ll spare you what I said at the time in case it’s misconstrued, but the evidence suggests there’s more to worry about than repeating the same tactical mistakes.
Celtic have nine months and one and a half transfer windows to get ready for the next Champions League qualifiers. There’s plenty of time to put things right, but we can’t sleepwalk into another failure. More immediately, we could be out of a cup if we don’t pull our act together this week.
The original Holy Goalie, our own John Fallon, will be signing copies of his book, and no doubt giving you his thoughts on current events, at the Supporters’ Club on London Road on Sunday from 12:30. All are welcome. There’s live entertainment too, so get along and check it out.
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awe naw … how ya doing?
just read back … you are correct … my post was typed in haste …but I think you understand my point … .whether you agree with it may be a different matter.
So,do we wait to get humped by another Malmo or Maribor,in next season’s CLQ’s ,and then say we should have chased him after Molde? We need to change it now.IMO
LEFTCLICKTIC…
Good afternoon, let’s hope he gives the tried and tested a go and as for izzy, I would fit him with an elasticicated rope tied to the corner flag that will only allow him upto the halfway line in Europe:)
Sipsini @4:03 …. made me laugh with that one…. thanks, I needed that!
We need to bribe UEFA so we don’t draw teams starting with ‘M’.
Geordie Munroe…
4 fags left after last night :(
One of the 70%, I’m gonnay give you 83% for that post. Ha ha, that’s quality man:_)
HH
bournesoup. I have it on good authority that Roy Keane is a very good singer, his party piece is “It’s all over now Baby Blue” and apparently he is s**t hot at it. Not sure about his dancing.
New blood needed at board and management level. The football budget is sustainable and that principle shouldn’t change. Recklessly gambling end in tears…. Don’t neglect sound financial governance, but some new faces at board level are needed. Change and innovation seem absent at the level of commercial leadership. Noted that the re-election resolutions are same old, same old.
Technical, i.e. Fitba, is where it has really gone wrong lately. This management team isn’t working. They are not getting the best out of the available resources. Sure, the league is gash, the least competitive in Europe over the past 30 years, but even at that Celtic should be doing better on the stage that matters.
RD et al were brought in to lead the team to victory over those with greater resources, that was RD’s achievement in his stint in Norway. We are falling to teams with less resources. Fail, fail fail however you look at it.
johann murdoch on 23rd October 2015 3:37 pm looking at our goals conceded again last night..we need to shore up back post area! –
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Totally agree. Has been a problem for a while.
To be fair to Lustig who has taken some stick for the third goal – he came across to defend the middle as there was nobody else there.
As for RD…. I can see why we wanted him as a number 2 ….. has some great ideas, for example, with fitness … but he doesn’t seem to have the tactical ideas to be a number 1 …. or if he has the ideas, he isn’t able to communicate them to his players … or if he is able to communicate them to his players, they are ignoring him …. either way, its not good.
I do think the club needs to consider alternatives … but who? We need to clear out our senior players and bring in younger hungrier more technical players who will play the system they are taught ….
I think Hartley could grow into a very good manager, but do we need another risk at the moment? And will our senior players listen to a young manager?
Off the top of my head, I’m not sure what (who) the answer is … but I do think we need to start the discussion.
Owen Coyle’s granny has Snapchatted me sayin’ wee Stuart Baxter is available, and he’s coached all over Scandinavia, and beyond.
In fact wee Mrs Coyle says Stuart has done mair coachin’ than David Urquhart.
MIT…
I was thinking (Charlie Nick style) it would give us another option and be a bit more direct, rather than the tippy tappy crablike passing around the box we witnessed last night. HH
Saint Stivs, 3:30 pm
He was useless at Ipswich. Why should he be any better at Celtic?
Bada Bing
3:37
Can you tell me what John Collins actually does at Celtic Park?HH.
The manager has to get rid of the clique which has undermined him. Otherwise he is toast.
Sipsini … I always liked the old 2 up front system, and I think Cole could do a decent job for us in the SPL … if we can learn to hit a cross that isn’t 20 yards over everyone’s head.
Over the next few hours or days, we will be fed the usual Happy Clapping tosh about lack of competition in Scotland, poor tv revenues and proximity to EPL hampering us in Europe and in the prospect of signing quality players.
Well I cannot imagine that clubs like Malmo, Maribor and Molde are performing in Laliga or Serie A environments and being in receipt of off the radar tv receipts. And for what its worth, in this day and age of air travel, none of the above operate outwith the influence of the EPL.
Certainly in the acquisition of players from Africa and South America, clubs in places like Portugal appear to have immigration advantages over Scottish sides. At one time it was believed, wrongly that getting a former Home Secretary on the Board was going to iron that particular wrinkle out.
The truth is that Celtic are on an increasingly rapid downward spiral of its own devising, and led at football department and Boardroom level by people who have absolutely no idea how to reverse it.
most of these guys aren’t going to come to celtic, of course…. but just to get the ball rolling …
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/20-most-promising-young-managers-6070875
SIPSINI on 23RD OCTOBER 2015 4:03 PM
LEFTCLICKTIC…
as for izzy, I would fit him with an elasticicated rope tied to the corner flag that will only allow him upto the halfway line in Europe:)
Alternatively we could move the goals 10 yards back from the by line and 10 yards further right to take advantage of Izzy’s natural crossing ability -:))
Don’t think we ever wanted Lenny to go and need him back pronto
Mike in Toronto
Don’t think you are swimming against the tide.
People confuse losing goals whilst we are attacking, with ‘bad defending.’
There’s no defence to defend, because even the CB’s are too far advanced, and the FB’s are converted wingers.
The system is wrong, easily get ‘away withable’ playing Hamilton, but as many have posted Celtic don’t have a squad or a manager with the game, to ‘sit in’ and defend.
The culture to defend properly is not at the club, it’s high pressing with inferior players, or nothing. Our most notable European win in what seams a gazillion years was ‘defending’ and hitting Barcelona, twice, on the break.
Now you’ll get a draw against , with luck.
Corkcelt
Ha – I wouldn’t like to get on the wrong side of Keano, either.
the ole 2 upfront
What’s not to like?
FRANNYB67 on 23RD OCTOBER 2015 4:11 PM
Bada Bing
3:37
Can you tell me what John Collins actually does at Celtic Park?HH.
Antagonise the squad?
glendalystonsils…
Yer a bad mhan but spot on.:)
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TBJ…
Ye busy?
I know it is a bit early for Friday night music …. but I’m leaving a bit early to see Leon Bridges tonight, so I may not be around later ….
for those of you who like him…. I just picked up tickets to see another young american singer ….Nathaniel Rateliff … think of a mash up of jack johnson, St. Paul and the broken bones, and add a bit of sam cooke ….hope you enjoy this …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzqmVa6n-es
It has been commented tat last night Mode played Rope-a-Dope and caught us on the break.
To do this successfully you require players with the skills to rope the dope.
Do we have any?
Something I have asked before.
How many of the present Celtic squad can inspire a buzz of anticipation by merely coming into possession of the ball?
At least the AGM in a couple of weeks should be good for a laugh, and yon ole guy that stood up and said ‘Samaras needed a haircut’, won’t get bumping his gums.
QUONNO
Erm ……….. None ?
HH
quonno….
Good point, personally, Kris Commons and Leigh Griffiths, not like I used to in the past though with…Henke, Di Canio, Lubo, etc etc.
Maybe why supporters are staying away, lack of entertainment and mundane crab like football.
Ronny talked a good game, high tempo pressing, super fitness and youth development. There is no evidence that any of these things happening. The players we are buying in are going backwards in their development, Ciftci, Armstrong & GMS all looked better players when they played for Dundee United.
From time to time there seems to be a bit of light at end of tunnel but then we get flattened by another oncoming train.
I totally understand and share the general anger and frustration of the blog as we witness our standing in Europe disintegrate before our eyes, however players like Gordon, Brooney, Lustig, Griffiths,Commons and Bitton did not become bad players overnight. The entire team including Management were rubbish last night but we know we are a lot better then that.
We do need to rest a few regulars and give other guys a chance. We have guys like Bailey, Tierney, Janko, Blackett, Simunovic, Allan, Stokes and of course now Cole all ready to come in, they can’t do any worse then the guys who played last night. I’d be for playing them and have genuine competition for the jerseys.
Bada Bing
I agree.
Too many people for too long didn’t see through this man or more likely did not want to and then started calling other fans names, shouting them down and generally acting out of blind faith.
We’ve all seen bad managers down the years. We’ve seen managers who the players don’t play for for whatever reason be it bad system, training regimes or the biggest problem – the people in the boardroom picked a dud.
You cannot sit slagging off Warburton for running away with a semi-pro-league when the manager we have is doing something similar in a league most people believe is one of the poorest top flights on the continent.
Nor can you do it when he handicapped a cup final rival by taking their best two players.
FAR too much energy and attention has been focused on this blog and elsewhere in Celtic fandom on what another Glasgow club are doing and while laughing at their results is enjoyable we have been neglecting our own backyard.
People sitting saying BUT WE’LL STILL WIN THE LEAGUE are missing the point entirely.
1. Deila was brought in to improve boring football we saw at the end of Lenny’s time – FAILED UTTERLY – 2 outstanding performances against the Dundee teams – every other game a slog, a bore or massive failure to run over the top of VERY weak opposition and most importantly – VERY LITTLE ENTERTAINMENT.
EVEN Mowbray’s team was capable of playing exciting football on occasion.
2. He has failed UTTERLY and MISERABLY in European football in a defensive sense and I would say in a tactical sense as well. We got through a Europa group last year because Astra of Romania beat Dynamo Zagreb for us to put us through. I said so at the time and was attacked by a number of people who are now waking up to Ronny Deila not being very good.
3. Do we trust a difficult league season to him from here on in? Aberdeen have imploded in recent weeks – we are a mighty ONE point in front of them and play them next weekend after a trip to Tynecastle to play a team we couldn’t score against a few weeks back.
I still think we will win the title but it will be a slog and it should not be.
With our resources we should be 20 ahead by January EVERY season.
Last year it took another Aberdeen implosion for Celtic to finally shake them off as well.
For a title not to be over or as good as over as late as that in a top league minus our old rivals is not impressive in my book.
4. Do we trust this management team to take us into qualifiers next July?
If you do you need to explain why.
5. What now happens with Kris Commons? Our best player no doubt forced to apologize today but the discontent is still there.
Will he be shown the door in January?
If he does our chances of winning things diminishes greatly.
6. How many more people in the squad feel like Commons? Why do they feel like that? Whose fault is that? How can it be rectified?
Shambles does not cover this.
JIMMCI I have been going on about PL’s “extra” bonus for ages.
Its a complete failure of corporate governance that he was awarded this extra amount. Perhaps worse when you consider the context:
– Falling crowds
– Falling revenue
– Presiding over a disasterous relationship with the support
– Failing to qualify for CL (though I appreciate this was a timing issue)
– Downsizing/diminuation of squad
– Failure to address the living wage issue (no sense of social conscience)
Now we then of course should ask what the KPI’s are. Clearly they are focussed solely on finance.
And none of this should be a surprise. The goals of the board are not aligned with the goals of the support nor indeed the general goals of a football club. The gross insensitivty shown by this extra award is essentially two fingers to the support, two fingers to the staff, two fingers to our charities etc. A clever board, had it felt the need to award a super duper extra bonus, and being, ahem, the most ethical club in the world (that ones still a belter isnt it) would have offerred PL to choose the charities of his choice to give an award of cash to. Wouldnt that have been nice?
Or how about they just try and run a succesful football club?
Naw?
Awright then.
Mon the RBS.
Perestroikas
Mike in Toronto,
Lots of sense there, amico.
Ultimately, I think Ronny doesn’t have the players to play the system he wants.
Which means we either need eleven new players.
Or one new manager…
Our strategy, if we still have one, makes about as much sense as putting Freddie Kruegar in charge of a daycare centre.
Blackett, Cifci, Bangura etc. A sorry collection of duds.
Change is needed from the top.
ITALIABHOY on 23RD OCTOBER 2015 4:37 PM
Mike in Toronto,
Lots of sense there, amico.
Ultimately, I think Ronny doesn’t have the players to play the system he wants.
Which means we either need eleven new players.
Or one new manager…
Take your pick.
What we do know is the choice will be the cheaper option.
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