Who made the poppy a political symbol? For those who collected the flower from fields in France 90 years ago and many bereaved relatives at home it was a symbol of respect for loved ones lost, but it can be used politically and has been shamelessly politicised in Scotland in recent years, where the symbol of national loss has been exploited.
In itself, the poppy is not political, it occupies the same territory as the black armband, but even this worldwide symbol of respect has been exploited for political ends by footballers in the past.
I can understand why many in England are furious that Fifa consider the poppy a political symbol and have banned England for wearing it against Spain this week, but since a few live to exploit the flower for political ends, the Fifa decision is correct.
Before making the decision someone at Fifa would have undertaken cursory research into the subject. Searching Google for “poppy football” a few weeks ago would have returned this (now archived) result. I’m sure you recall; a banner at Celtic Park, which didn’t make the news on the day it was displayed, or on the next day, was badgered by someone into the news on day three. Celtic were the target of that exercise, the England team are now collateral damage.
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“Darnell Fisher”
Tell me that’s a typo. Please.
Parkheadcumsalford at 16:09
No idea but the fact that nothing was publicised leads to suspisions that not all was donated to charity.
Mort
thomthethim says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:43
Disagree with all of that but why the quiet acquiescence ?
Hail Hail
The Battered Bunnet says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:53
I lol’d at that too.
Off darnel fishing tonight :-)
bjmac says:
9 November, 2011 at 15:42
Transparency and accountability at the SFA? There’s already been a few issues this season with officals and the disciplinary procedures. Then we get the Steven Craven decision. I would be interested what grounds he made his appeal and on what grounds it was refused.
In addition, what criteria was used to give naismith a 2 match ban for violent conduct after not being sent off, then the same committee increasing Kris Commons ban to the same 2 matches for a bad tackle which was also punished with a red card at the time.
Violent Conduct = 2 match ban for huns player
Bad Tackle = 3 match punishment for Celtic player
Bad tackle (as bad if not worse than KC’s) = yellow card for huns player
I was (and still am) all for giving the SFA a chance to demonstrate their transparency and accountability and delivery of punishments equally, when do they plan to start?
hh
bjmac
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2010 Never Again
A couple of answers.
Naismith’s ban was trial by video I do believe (the new lawyer from opus dei adjudicated I think)…..Kris Commons was banned for 2 games because Thomson the referee reported the tackle as violent conduct.
lionroars67 says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:52
2 Trialists?
Zenden and who else?
Dontbrattbakkinanger says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:52
Ole Johnny Clash -maybe you should ask Willie McStay.
The current u 19 team have 5 or 6 players who COULD make it.
They need a reserve team to play in where they can play with older players. We need a reserve league. U understand the SFA are considering this. Otherwise loan these players out to Championship or Div I teams in England.
thomthethim says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:43
Imatim and so is Neil Lennon says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:39
Stop it. You’re embarrassing yourself.
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2010 Never Again
How so?
JohnnyClash at 16:45
Anyone remember Charlie Grant? Grant announced his retirement from football at the age of 24 in April 2011 following the expiry of an unsuccessful short-term contract with East Stirlingshire.
Charlie Grant was an excellent prospect. Unfortunately he suffered a couple of very serious injuries that kept him out of the game for 2-3 years. When he recovered he signed for Dundee I think but injuries returned and he was never able to recover his early promise.
Sad story.
Mort
ernie lynch says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:53
Re. Charlie Grant
“He was plagued by a succession of injuries.”
Aye, including this Broadfoot-esque one – Grant suffered a bizarre injury setback from his own bed, picking up a skelf in his toe which then became inflamed and caused him to pass out.
JohnnyClash,
“Grant suffered a bizarre injury setback from his own bed, picking up a skelf in his toe which then became inflamed and caused him to pass out.”
I blame the Celtic medical and physio team what are they doing to the players :oD
dirtymac @ 16:43
Think Christy Moore or Ian McDonald sang a song about it back in the day, prob McDonald, will try and dig it out. Cattle indeed.
LiviBhoy – Cheers, HH to the LiviBhoys!
The Battered Bunnet – Sláinte!
TootingTim says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:45
CQNers,
If whistleblower Steven Craven is banned from blowing his referee’s whistle again it will be a sad indictment of the closed shop vindictiveness that can still be found in areas of west of Scotland life.
Steven Craven told the truth, it is an alien concept to referees, with the additional x factor of a game involving Glasgow Celtic, then you can see why Steven Craven will never receive justice in his local referee association or by the SFA
It took quite a while to remove a self professed liar in dougie dougie, an honest man is immediately sine die from refereeing at all levels, how on earth can that be tallied up in any scale of justice
I hope someone with deep pockets funds a court case for Mr Craven.
Mort says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:59
He signed for Dundee just before they went into Administration.
He’s a reminder of just how precarious the route to success is for a young footballer.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
9 November, 2011 at 17:03
I believe there was an issue about his medical/phsio treatment during his time at Celtic.
THINDIMEBHOY @1551
Good points, well made. There is a line of thought which suggests that Scots are not as far along the evolutionary road as Engerland and why racism is not a problem in Scotland as Scots have not got past the anti Catholic thing yet.
In Engerland being a mason is more of a class thing but in Scotland so long as you hate Catholics, then you probably will be able to join up and allowed to shag a goat, wear a silly apron and have a trouser leg rolled and providing the hand-shake passes muster, get any job you want!!!!!!!
Maybe a point to ponder
Hail Hail
KINGLuBO
Johnny Clash- a skelf?
I heard it was the pin in the poppy John Reid made him wear.
Oh, and Samaras for President!
Hail, hail Glorious Maximum Leader….
lionroars67 says:
9 November, 2011 at 17:04
TootingTim says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:45
CQNers,
If whistleblower Steven Craven is banned from blowing his referee’s whistle again it will be a sad indictment of the closed shop vindictiveness that can still be found in areas of west of Scotland life.
Steven Craven told the truth, it is an alien concept to referees, with the additional x factor of a game involving Glasgow Celtic, then you can see why Steven Craven will never receive justice in his local referee association or by the SFA
It took quite a while to remove a self professed liar in dougie dougie, an honest man is immediately sine die from refereeing at all levels, how on earth can that be tallied up in any scale of justice
I hope someone with deep pockets funds a court case for Mr Craven.
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Check this out below
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:53
ernie lynch at 17:04
It’s a tough life no doubt, made tougher on the fact that there is no reserve league in Scotland. Once you are no longer eligible for U19s unless you are ready to make the step up to the 1st team pretty quickly (like James Forrest) you are pretty much resigned to being let go completely or sent out on loan and I can’t even remember the last player to make a serious impact for us when returning from a loan period.
We really need to have a team in the lower leagues in Scotland or alternatively buy Dundee and use them as a feeder club.
Players develop at different ages and the system in place now just isn’t conjusive to helping them make the step up.
Mort
ernie…,
theres a surprise :o)
The Stain
The red stain on my collar was looking just like blood,
I wondered as I lay dying surrounded by a sea of mud,
What would my descendants think of me dying in this war?
Would they make it political? Flaunt it like some whore?
The red stain it got bigger as the blood began to spread,
Taking in all of mankind with everyone who had bled,
All the wars throughout history, right up to this day,
People with their own agenda, misusing it this way.
The red stain now a poppy soon became a political tool,
Taking in all of mankind making me look quite a fool,
For I am the forgotten soldier who died upon the field,
Fighting for your freedom, look what it’s revealed!
Awe_Naw_No_Annoni_Oan_Anaw_Noo says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:44
thomthethim says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:40
agree with all of that but why the perpetual acquiescence ?
Hail Hail
Don’t tell anyone else, but, if Celtic don’t do the honourable thing, and that means once again, insisting on the integrity of the competition to be sacrosanct, then, maybe, just maybe, I will be shuffling over to your side of the bench.
Wee story about the men with the money.
I worked for an architects company that did a lot of work at Paradise and Desmond had
the final say on everything. This is fair enough as he is/was technically the client.
However, he was not an easy man to work for and he had no time for the little man.
I remember one Friday morning that Desmond phoned and told the architect in charge to jump
on a plane to Dublin with the latest set of plans/elevations etc.. for the new facade.
When told by the poor guy that he was going out for his wife’s birthday and couldn’t go,
Desmond responded, “your flight tickets are booked and you fly at 13:00, be on it.”
After arriving in Dublin and waiting till 6.30pm he gets a call to say that Desmond
can’t make the meeting as he was going straight to dinner after his round of golf.
Now you can say that the architect should have told him to b*gger off and not go to
Dublin but the implied threat was there and the company could not afford to lose a
major/prestigious client.
However, when it comes to crooked,corrupt,dangerous men in football, i give you
George Reynolds of Darlington FC.
We were the architects for a new £20 million stadium and the man was a horror.
He wanted to call the stadium after himself – no ego there – and install, amongst
other things, gold plated taps and marble toilets. He refused to use the tender process
– required in law – and used his own companies and friends.
There were 2 main architects in that project and they used to fight to see who did
NOT have to go down to meetings with the man.
I’ve added a link below for your amusement as the man deserves a book or film about him.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4363620.stm
ps. He once took to the pitch in a mock prison suit complete with arrows, with a ball and
chain around his ankle.
I somehow don’t see the Steven Craven verdict today as being the end of the matter, far from it.
This whole poppy thing is actually very sad.
When I was at primary school (kafflick, FYI:)) we were all taught that the poppy was a symbol of peace.
Freshly germinating poppies were the only signs of life in the charnel fields of WW1.
It was a symbol of ‘never again’.
It was originally proposed and publicised by committed peace campaigners, IIRC.
Now, as another poster noted, it has become an updated version of the Tebbitt cricket test.
To see the arrogant little/Middle Englander Cameron show his bare-faced and chested inflated sense of entitlement is very telling. Not only has it been appropriated as a symbol of ‘righteous warmongering’, for want of a better term, it has offered our Prime Minister the chance to showcase the full limit of his gifts. He is really a very limited politician. In attempting to play to the gallery at PMQs he has actually shown himself up for the narrow-minded buffoon he is beneath the smarmy-smiling surface. Read this quote:
“I think [the questioner] not only speaks for the whole House, but in fact the whole country, [in] being completely baffled and frankly angry [at] the decision made by Fifa….I think this is an appalling decision and I hope they’ll reconsider it.”
The post-war settlement in Europe is coming apart at the seams, before our eyes on a daily basis.
And we have this clown in charge.
Art of War,
which stadium was Desmond involved in the design of ??
John Barnes says,
” Fifa should change the rules so that England can do whatever it wants to do.”
Good to hear someone put the case so succinctly.
Neil canamalar Lennon hunskelper extrordinaire says:
9 November, 2011 at 17:26
Art of War,
which stadium was Desmond involved in the design of ??
Neil, it was all the refurb work that was bein done at Celtic Park, changing rooms, boardroom, trophy room, No7 restaurant, bars etc. There was also plans for the facade that sisn’t see the light of day! The same architects then when on to do Lennoxtown and my mate big Al – a true Tim – was running the project.
HH
machiavalli, more like mac avenni
googybhoy says:
9 November, 2011 at 16:58
and Mort,
Why are we not attempting to get a reserve team in the lower leagues in England. The SFA have proved they want to stifle the game in Scotland by getting rid of the reserve league in Scotland, or was that just because “THEM” couldn’t afford to put a team in.
hmmmmmmmmmmm
gsu
Cameron and Royalty flex their muscles and FIFA bend over…
:oD
Cravens appeal rejected. So much for the new regime in charge of Scottish Football eh ? Different face, same old cheats. I wouldn’t trust Regan or anyone else at the SFA if they told me today was Wednesday.
Art of War says:
9 November, 2011 at 17:21
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Any dirt on David Murray?
Auldheid,
if I remember properly you advised us all to sit back and see how the new conditions at the sfa played out, you had confidence thigs would change for the better.
We are just about half way through the season and still waiting for the transparency bit, dont look to me like anything has changed, when ?
FIFA now allowing poppies on shirts for England.
Hmmm….. FIFA/UEFA rules and regulations being challenged everywhere.
Anyone know the reason for britains participation in the 1st WW? I dont think there was any threat to these islands.
Second world war was to stop Mr Hitler’s little game.
As far as I can see after that almost every conflict britain gets involved in is immoral .
We are the baddies invading foreign lands and killing the locals.
Well there have been a couple of peacekeeping missions like the Balkans and in africa that were justified but apart from them………
The guys who join the army dont appear to worry or think about the reason they are fighting-invading some far-away land killing the natives” we got a job to do”