I don’t think Forest has improved as a player but Ronny deserves credit for changing his training routine which has meant that he plays more often.
Biton came out and said that he didn’t know what the manager was asking him to do and it was only after a discussion that he fully appreciated what Ronny wanted that he started playing to the level he did. So there’s no evidence to support your assertion that he’s now a better player. He’s simply demonstrating what he can do now.
Griffiths? I saw him at Dundee. He’s doing what he was always capable of. Ask Livibhoy.
Broony? He’s been brilliant. Better than the player he was at Hibs? I’m not convinced.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:29 PM
MACJAY1,
We play in the SPFL. That means we face decline. How many teams did anything in Europe? We at least played a number of games. We need to get out of the Scotland, otherwise decline is inevitable. John Collins got it right. Nobody in Scotland can give us real competition. So, playing in Europe is too much of a step up.
So the manager who developed the youngest ever international player, who got sold to the biggest club on the planet for £16million can’t develop players? Aye okay…..
Celticrollercoaster supporting Shay,our bhoy wonder along the way on
Good Evening fholks
A draw in Turkey is a credible result but 3 points out of 18, not really acceptable
Poor decision making by Craig tonight re goal. Should have done better. I am sure he will be disappointed with this, despite some good saves earlier.
One “kid on” striker up front with no others on bench ( what are we expecting to do?) but Kris C rescues the night with a fine goal. Who says he is past it? Can we not see this?
Difficult to disagree that we have not gone backwards when I compare with last year and Ronny the experiment is not working, but I still hold out hope. Am I dreaming?
Hoping tomorrow brings a positive change. Wonder if JC will agree?
HH
CRC
BGX on
Deila will be working in Glasgow when Warbutton Has Gone Back to england…Why?..Coz somebody in england will Take warburton….Ronny next job…Back to norway…
We are going to have to agree to disagree then :-)
Just remember that sometimes what you wish for might not turn out like you hoped it would.
HH
CultsBhoy can not relate to Celtic Board ambitions on or off the park on
We know who we want … Ronnie tells us post match.
He wanted Ciftci last window.
I can’t trust his judgement. Only Lawwell’s ego can persuade the Board to trust RD’s judgement…..unless of course he didn’t sign Ciftci or identify our next bargain basement acquisitions..?
Delaneys Dunky on
Cowiw
All Celtic youth teams are playing the system as the first team. What I hear is that they are better at it. :)
When Ronny gets players in the first team that suit his system I will judge him. I believe he will field a home grown XI in the first team before he leaves.
TBJ says Wee Oscar Knox is in heaven with the angels on
Tet
IMHO Joe h cost us the Malmo tie .. 2-0 up and blowing them away … he is put through with keeper to beat and hits the keeper with a poor effort
3-0 after 15 mins – we would have spanked them.
Then if my memory serves me. . He fannied about in the last minute at the corner and this rammy distracted the defence who were already set for the corner
Scroll onto tonight he has a yard on markovic and fails by a yard
IMHO he was more to blame than anyone for our demise this season in Europe
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on
QUONNO on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:31 PM
As I have posted previously only a radical change of thinking at the top can arrest, let alone reverse the decline.
How many of the Clubs remaining in the Europa are wealthier than Celtic?
Rhetorical question.
We are punching way below our financial weight.
———–
I agree we aren’t spending our money well, that’s a separate discussion. We need to get much better bang for our buck.
We are talking about what makes a big club and that is the sort of money that we’ll never have.
There will be lots of clubs with less money than us that are currently doing better than us, next season they might do worse. That perfectly describes Celtic over the last 10odd years.
quonno on
Here’s a radical approach.
Celtic stop playing in Europe until we have a side capable of playing in Europe.
Before anyone jumps down my throat ,we have recently had posters on here opining that Europe isn’t really all that important.
TheLurkinTim on
Macjay1 @ 10:08
Thanks for that….not really my cup-o- t….tho nice to see she’ll/they’ll be remembered for posterity ;-))
H.H.
Hamiltontim on
TET
I know read my previous post about what I said to Paul67 :-)
KK
Good to see you on.
God Bless the Celtic.
Celticrollercoaster supporting Shay,our bhoy wonder along the way on
Gerryfaethebrig on 10th December 2015 10:38 pm
Good Evening Gerry
I would imagine St Martin would have cruised the Europa League in comparison. Agreed not the CL, but a big difference between the two and it shows how much we have fallen in expectations if we think this campaign has been anything less than a disaster.
HH
CRC
Cowiebhoy on
DD
After 18 months, I still can’t work out our system for the first team :-)))))
Never mind the Lennxtown set up
Please don’t tell me we only have 1 striker at each age group :-))))
Hail Hail bhud
Delaneys Dunky on
TBJ
Was chatting to my parish priest recently. He said that the Messiah was the only thing to bring peace to the Middle East.
Was he meaning Breed Heid Messiah?
quonno on
Roost come to chickens home in any order you like.
Cowiebhoy on
TBJ
Your sitting far too close to the pitch, would you like in beside Ronny is JC is away :-)))
Oh
And will need to say Hail Hail to that roaster Sipsini anytime soon :-)
Hail Hail
quonno on
Not to worry. The books will balance.
mike in toronto on
DD@10:46 ….If the kids can get it, then why cant the first team (cos they clearly have no idea how to play the way RD wants)?! If that is correct, then dump the overpaid prima donnas in the first team, and play the kids….
our youth team is probably good enough to win the SPL, sure they will take a humping in europe, but we are doing that already, and it will maybe stand us in good stead for the future.
and I’m not stalking you…. honest! :)
Dallas Dallas where the heck is Dallas on
Delaney’s, further to your post at 10.11 tonight.
A guy was asked on a radio quiz this morning, what is the missing word from this phrase , Rome wasn’t built in a. . The guy answered , Coiliseum.
Our overall european record in the last 41 years is not the best. Even with Celtic greats as manger and possibly with better players than we have now, out team had terrible performances and results in Europe.
Prestige and income wise, Europe is very important , but I can’t remember the likes of Big Billy and Davie Hay ,getting criticised so much for bad performances and results in uefa competitions. We have had some great european results e.g. Real, Sporting,Ajax away (twice) , Cologne , Benfica 3 nil , Rubentus 4 3 game and Man Who but these can be countered by some abject results we have had.
Ronny has to improve , especially in Europe, and one area where things have got better is scoring goals away from home in europe but haven’t got better in not conceding them unfortunately.
Ronny is only partly responsible for what’s going on, the power makers and breakers upstairs have to adopt a better policy for us to get better where it matters most to us,on the pitch .
!!Bada Bing!! on
I tell you what,let’s go with the same manager and tactics next season….all will be fantastic….
I agree, he seems to have let the POY go to his head, not a patch on last season, and I don’t blame Ronny, he stuck by him when he was playing pish, so it’s down to him imo.
Interesting if Jonnyboy is going, hopefully Ronny will get the assistant in he wants, we will just have to wait and see.
HH
…………………………………………………..
Cults
Why TF would Ronny sign the likes of Cifcti, he is as much of his kind of player as I am FFS, of course he will toe the line and give the media the soundbites, as every coach does, but to actually believe them………
You don’t, I know you don’t.
HH
ruggygman on
Quonno
I think a better way of viewing things, is that we have the nucleus there of a decent starting 11… 3 shrewd additions in the right positions would go a long way.
I assess our squad, and it’s only my opinion but I see things like this :
You’ll notice Johansen, Cifti, Boyata, Gordon etc aren’t mentioned. They aren’t listed as I don’t believe that they have any place at the club.
What can be taken from the list however, is that we are short of a defender or 2. We are short on a quality deep lying midfielder to compete with brown and Bitton. We are well covered in attacking mid positions… But could do with a genuine challenge to Griffiths up top. And we need a keeper
Cowiebhoy on
Can I add,
Great to see some very decent Celtic discussion, debate and disagreement on the blog tonight, and all in good Celtic spirit through decency
There was one rogue post mind :-))
Hail Hail and off oooot, busy time
quonno on
Three points out of eighteen at any level, pish and good night.
Delaneys Dunky on
MiT
Canny teach auld dugs new tricks maybe?
mike in toronto on
Dallas … there is some truth to what you say …. RD probably takes more flak than some of his predecessors … and, really, since the 80’s Celtic (and most scottish teams) have been an embarassment in Europe …. so, why so much angst now? …
most of us on CQn are old enough to remember when Scottish football was decent, and struggle to understand how and why it has declined so much so quickly ….
partly, people grow tired of being fed s**t and told it is sugar…
partly, MON reset some people’s expectations …
places like CQN have also done that … told that just sit back and let Sevco die and it will all be milk and honey … and we know that we are being fed a load of bullcrap….
Gerryfaethebrig on
CRC
Hope you had a great birthday….
But like Virgil & Jason and many others St Martins work was done, Ronny is the here and now, we could all argue our case, St Martin might not have been picking the players Ronny is picking but for all his good with a far more expensive squad his away record was pretty damming but it’s all ifs and buts, and although Seville was Seville St Martin won heehaw that year
(I might have to take an enforced break after that)
Good night and God bless CQN
Rummybhoy on
Gordon should have kept his eye on the ball and made it his. He has been poor this season.
Cifci…why oh why did Celtic buy him?
The team, as usual, gifting goals to opposition and giving the ball away far too easily.
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Good old beeb – made sure they mentioned the sending off.
DD
I hear that nato are about to swoop for warbo to sort out the middle east
As proud of my team today as I was in October ’57 or May 1967 ….
I only wish we had the same sort of support now that we had then.
Good night & God Bless EVERY Celtic man.
NegAnon2 on 10th December 2015 10:35 pm
He had the audacity to post the other night about the log being about opinions but that hasn’t stopped him carrying out witchunts etc.
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The Log Lady
https://38.media.tumblr.com/d330f3dfe1408fb980c2a7c1fb6261a0/tumblr_n4ckh7ItiQ1so5joko1_500.gif
GLASSTWOTHIRDSFULL on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:39 PM
Good old beeb – made sure they mentioned the sending off.
When we repeatedly supply them with bullets why complain when they fire them at us.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/fenerbahce-v-celtic-live-updates/comment-page-14/#comment-2734997
TET
I don’t think Forest has improved as a player but Ronny deserves credit for changing his training routine which has meant that he plays more often.
Biton came out and said that he didn’t know what the manager was asking him to do and it was only after a discussion that he fully appreciated what Ronny wanted that he started playing to the level he did. So there’s no evidence to support your assertion that he’s now a better player. He’s simply demonstrating what he can do now.
Griffiths? I saw him at Dundee. He’s doing what he was always capable of. Ask Livibhoy.
Broony? He’s been brilliant. Better than the player he was at Hibs? I’m not convinced.
PARKHEADCUMSALFORD on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:29 PM
MACJAY1,
We play in the SPFL. That means we face decline. How many teams did anything in Europe? We at least played a number of games. We need to get out of the Scotland, otherwise decline is inevitable. John Collins got it right. Nobody in Scotland can give us real competition. So, playing in Europe is too much of a step up.
=======================================================
I agree with all you say.
However do you think that the standard of football in Scotland is lower than that of some of the countries whose minnows have progressed?
I don`t.
GRUMPHY AULD KILBOWIE KELT on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:40 PM
As proud of my team today as I was in October ’57 or May 1967 ….
I only wish we had the same sort of support now that we had then.
Good night & God Bless EVERY Celtic man.
Wish we had the same type of team.
– See more at: http://www.celticquicknews.co.uk/fenerbahce-v-celtic-live-updates/comment-page-14/#comment-2735000
So the manager who developed the youngest ever international player, who got sold to the biggest club on the planet for £16million can’t develop players? Aye okay…..
Good Evening fholks
A draw in Turkey is a credible result but 3 points out of 18, not really acceptable
Poor decision making by Craig tonight re goal. Should have done better. I am sure he will be disappointed with this, despite some good saves earlier.
One “kid on” striker up front with no others on bench ( what are we expecting to do?) but Kris C rescues the night with a fine goal. Who says he is past it? Can we not see this?
Difficult to disagree that we have not gone backwards when I compare with last year and Ronny the experiment is not working, but I still hold out hope. Am I dreaming?
Hoping tomorrow brings a positive change. Wonder if JC will agree?
HH
CRC
Deila will be working in Glasgow when Warbutton Has Gone Back to england…Why?..Coz somebody in england will Take warburton….Ronny next job…Back to norway…
HT
We are going to have to agree to disagree then :-)
Just remember that sometimes what you wish for might not turn out like you hoped it would.
HH
We know who we want … Ronnie tells us post match.
He wanted Ciftci last window.
I can’t trust his judgement. Only Lawwell’s ego can persuade the Board to trust RD’s judgement…..unless of course he didn’t sign Ciftci or identify our next bargain basement acquisitions..?
Cowiw
All Celtic youth teams are playing the system as the first team. What I hear is that they are better at it. :)
When Ronny gets players in the first team that suit his system I will judge him. I believe he will field a home grown XI in the first team before he leaves.
Tet
IMHO Joe h cost us the Malmo tie .. 2-0 up and blowing them away … he is put through with keeper to beat and hits the keeper with a poor effort
3-0 after 15 mins – we would have spanked them.
Then if my memory serves me. . He fannied about in the last minute at the corner and this rammy distracted the defence who were already set for the corner
Scroll onto tonight he has a yard on markovic and fails by a yard
IMHO he was more to blame than anyone for our demise this season in Europe
QUONNO on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:31 PM
As I have posted previously only a radical change of thinking at the top can arrest, let alone reverse the decline.
========================================================
I have now come round to agreeing with that school of thought.
And maybe change of personnel.
macjay1 for Neil Lennon on 10th December 2015 10:37 pm
THE_HUDDLE on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:25 PM
Money is the only factor to decide a clubs size now, we don’t have any and won’t have for the foreseeable future.
========================================================
How many of the Clubs remaining in the Europa are wealthier than Celtic?
Rhetorical question.
We are punching way below our financial weight.
———–
I agree we aren’t spending our money well, that’s a separate discussion. We need to get much better bang for our buck.
We are talking about what makes a big club and that is the sort of money that we’ll never have.
There will be lots of clubs with less money than us that are currently doing better than us, next season they might do worse. That perfectly describes Celtic over the last 10odd years.
Here’s a radical approach.
Celtic stop playing in Europe until we have a side capable of playing in Europe.
Before anyone jumps down my throat ,we have recently had posters on here opining that Europe isn’t really all that important.
Macjay1 @ 10:08
Thanks for that….not really my cup-o- t….tho nice to see she’ll/they’ll be remembered for posterity ;-))
H.H.
TET
I know read my previous post about what I said to Paul67 :-)
KK
Good to see you on.
God Bless the Celtic.
Gerryfaethebrig on 10th December 2015 10:38 pm
Good Evening Gerry
I would imagine St Martin would have cruised the Europa League in comparison. Agreed not the CL, but a big difference between the two and it shows how much we have fallen in expectations if we think this campaign has been anything less than a disaster.
HH
CRC
DD
After 18 months, I still can’t work out our system for the first team :-)))))
Never mind the Lennxtown set up
Please don’t tell me we only have 1 striker at each age group :-))))
Hail Hail bhud
TBJ
Was chatting to my parish priest recently. He said that the Messiah was the only thing to bring peace to the Middle East.
Was he meaning Breed Heid Messiah?
Roost come to chickens home in any order you like.
TBJ
Your sitting far too close to the pitch, would you like in beside Ronny is JC is away :-)))
Oh
And will need to say Hail Hail to that roaster Sipsini anytime soon :-)
Hail Hail
Not to worry. The books will balance.
DD@10:46 ….If the kids can get it, then why cant the first team (cos they clearly have no idea how to play the way RD wants)?! If that is correct, then dump the overpaid prima donnas in the first team, and play the kids….
our youth team is probably good enough to win the SPL, sure they will take a humping in europe, but we are doing that already, and it will maybe stand us in good stead for the future.
and I’m not stalking you…. honest! :)
Delaney’s, further to your post at 10.11 tonight.
A guy was asked on a radio quiz this morning, what is the missing word from this phrase , Rome wasn’t built in a. . The guy answered , Coiliseum.
Our overall european record in the last 41 years is not the best. Even with Celtic greats as manger and possibly with better players than we have now, out team had terrible performances and results in Europe.
Prestige and income wise, Europe is very important , but I can’t remember the likes of Big Billy and Davie Hay ,getting criticised so much for bad performances and results in uefa competitions. We have had some great european results e.g. Real, Sporting,Ajax away (twice) , Cologne , Benfica 3 nil , Rubentus 4 3 game and Man Who but these can be countered by some abject results we have had.
Ronny has to improve , especially in Europe, and one area where things have got better is scoring goals away from home in europe but haven’t got better in not conceding them unfortunately.
Ronny is only partly responsible for what’s going on, the power makers and breakers upstairs have to adopt a better policy for us to get better where it matters most to us,on the pitch .
I tell you what,let’s go with the same manager and tactics next season….all will be fantastic….
TBJ
I agree, he seems to have let the POY go to his head, not a patch on last season, and I don’t blame Ronny, he stuck by him when he was playing pish, so it’s down to him imo.
Interesting if Jonnyboy is going, hopefully Ronny will get the assistant in he wants, we will just have to wait and see.
HH
…………………………………………………..
Cults
Why TF would Ronny sign the likes of Cifcti, he is as much of his kind of player as I am FFS, of course he will toe the line and give the media the soundbites, as every coach does, but to actually believe them………
You don’t, I know you don’t.
HH
Quonno
I think a better way of viewing things, is that we have the nucleus there of a decent starting 11… 3 shrewd additions in the right positions would go a long way.
I assess our squad, and it’s only my opinion but I see things like this :
Goalkeeper : We need a new one
Defenders : Lustig, Jozo SImo , Tierney
Midfielders : Brown, Bitton
Attacking Midfielders. : Commons, Forrest, Rogic, Allan, Armstrong, Christie,
Strikers : Griffiths
You’ll notice Johansen, Cifti, Boyata, Gordon etc aren’t mentioned. They aren’t listed as I don’t believe that they have any place at the club.
What can be taken from the list however, is that we are short of a defender or 2. We are short on a quality deep lying midfielder to compete with brown and Bitton. We are well covered in attacking mid positions… But could do with a genuine challenge to Griffiths up top. And we need a keeper
Can I add,
Great to see some very decent Celtic discussion, debate and disagreement on the blog tonight, and all in good Celtic spirit through decency
There was one rogue post mind :-))
Hail Hail and off oooot, busy time
Three points out of eighteen at any level, pish and good night.
MiT
Canny teach auld dugs new tricks maybe?
Dallas … there is some truth to what you say …. RD probably takes more flak than some of his predecessors … and, really, since the 80’s Celtic (and most scottish teams) have been an embarassment in Europe …. so, why so much angst now? …
most of us on CQn are old enough to remember when Scottish football was decent, and struggle to understand how and why it has declined so much so quickly ….
partly, people grow tired of being fed s**t and told it is sugar…
partly, MON reset some people’s expectations …
places like CQN have also done that … told that just sit back and let Sevco die and it will all be milk and honey … and we know that we are being fed a load of bullcrap….
CRC
Hope you had a great birthday….
But like Virgil & Jason and many others St Martins work was done, Ronny is the here and now, we could all argue our case, St Martin might not have been picking the players Ronny is picking but for all his good with a far more expensive squad his away record was pretty damming but it’s all ifs and buts, and although Seville was Seville St Martin won heehaw that year
(I might have to take an enforced break after that)
Good night and God bless CQN
Gordon should have kept his eye on the ball and made it his. He has been poor this season.
Cifci…why oh why did Celtic buy him?
The team, as usual, gifting goals to opposition and giving the ball away far too easily.
THELURKINTIM on 10TH DECEMBER 2015 10:49 PM
:-)
Yer yaste`s all in yer proverbial.