Forster, Samaras and Perth

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When I researched yesterday’s article (yes, research does happen sometimes) I was far from encouraged.  Udinese had an impeccable home record and Snr Di Natale is one of Europe’s irresistible strikers at the moment.

We didn’t manage to resist Di Natale but he will remember Fraser Forster for a few years.  We have been fortunate to see a few great goalkeeping performances in Europe in the last decade but last night Fraser was second perhaps only to David Marshall that night in Barcelona.  That last minute penalty save against Hearts on Saturday has moved the player onto a new platform.

Udinese had a good 20 minute spell when they looked every inch the team joint top of the Italian league but they were on the rack in the closing stages of the game.  Cha DuRi has had an eventful Europa League on the road this season.  He was a bit unfortunate at the Udinese goal but completely out of luck when he twisted his body mid-air to volley off the post.

Watching Georgios Samaras last night was a lesson in how complex a game football can be.  This is a player who could not hold down a place in the SPL last season, yet playing in a different position he had top-flight defenders throwing themselves at him in order to inhibit progress.

There is still work to be done, but the return of three first choice defenders will enhance the team considerably.  The most pleasing thing about last night came after the game; Fraser Forster’s focus was immediately on St Johnstone.  It’s all about Perth now.

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    1518: Inverness CT have yet to record a clean sheet in an SPL game this season. “Rangers have begun to grab this game by the scruff of the neck after a lively start from Inverness.”

     

     

    #Penaltyin60Seconds

     

     

    Summa

  2. pen claim against jela in rfc box

     

     

    handball in box

     

     

    not replayed on rfc tv

     

     

    wonder why

  3. !!Bada Bing!! Kano 1000 on

    Joe F-He will be getting looked after well due to his brothers at UEFAs dirty work.They have no shame.

  4. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    KITALBA 1529

     

     

    I know what you mean. I had a major heated argument along those lines with my sis. I took her to her first games as a kid. We are both passionate about the club. I think this is probably the first time we have really argued black and white,normally we discuss things from a different standpoint!

     

     

    It is definitely fracturing the support,I cannot see the likes of you and I and many others whom I wouldn’t embarrass by naming individually,being welcome at corporate Celtic.

     

     

    Maybe Groucho was right after all about not joining a club which would have you as a member.

     

     

    Possibly we are Marxists after all,as was alleged!

  5. fairness to rfc tv…

     

     

    they did show the pen claim replay

     

     

    but stream skipped so i did not see it

  6. By day I'm 'Mike in Toronto' but on Sunday 'I'm Neil Lennon' on

    Seasons greetings to everyone

     

     

    Dont post as often anymore, but thought I would share my thoughts on recent developments.

     

     

    As theologian and a practicing lawyer (I know, I’ve heard all the jokes!), I see the difficutly of language, and the problems it can cause, everyday. What often I see is that people are having a debate or discussion, but are really having two separate debates without realizing it. this leads to frustration because we then feel the other isn’t hearing or listening, and this in turn leads to arguement. I see this acutely in many of the debates on CQN. We disagree on whether PL and NL are doing a good or bad job, for example, without first articulating exactly what job it is that we think they ought to be doing.

     

     

    We cant fairly criticize PL or NL for their comments, unless and until we understand where the comments are coming from. That is, what do they understand their roles to be. To answer that, we must first ask what does Celtic mean in the year 2011.

     

     

    the underlying question – and in my mind, the most important one – is ‘what is Celtic today? and what is its role in society?’ Once we discuss that, much of the underlying disagreements are understood and contextualized. But, if we are to move forward, this is a discussion that must be had.

     

     

    Before anyone can properly criticize – whether it is DD, PL, NL, or anyone else involved in running Celtic, the first question that must be addressed (and one that is often ignored) is what exactly is Celtic FC? Is it a business? A football team? A community and/or symbol for the Irish/Catholic community in Scotland? A group under which anyone who opposes the insidious racism and hatred in Scotland (as personified in Ran**** FC), can join together? All of the above?

     

     

    Depending on which of these aspect(s) you view Celtic to be (or perhaps something else), you reach different conclusions on how the club, and its members, are performing, or even what they are supposed to be doing.

     

     

    DD, PL – what they think they are supposed to be doing, they do well (run a business on a budget). If you judge them on this criteria, then clearly they are doing okay (compared to many other clubs in England, and one in Glasgow). If you judge them on recent ROI (on the field, as opposed to the balance sheet), then they dont fare so well – not bad, but not great.

     

     

    If you judge them on the criteria of being an organization that was created to aid the poor in the east end of Glasgow (which, largely, meant the Catholic community), then, clearly, they are not doing so well.

     

     

    In order to properly judge, for example, the club’s recent dealings with the GB, you must first define the criteria by which they are to be judged. From a business perspective, the clubs recent comments are understandable; certain songs, and Thursday’s banner, are going to cause problems for the club, and will damage its bottom line. Of that, now, there can be no doubt, and so, the comments and position are logical. The real question is – is that (basically, a business) that Celtic is? While, realistically, that is part of it, in my opinion, Celtic is much more than that.

     

     

    Celtic, like Barca, or Athletico Bilbao, are more than businesses, and, in fact, are more than football teams. They represent something more than a bottom line, or winning trophies. Clubs like these spring from, are part of, and are supposed to represent, their communities.

     

     

    As such, while I understand while our club leaders speak out against things that they perceive as hurting the bottom line, I dont understand their silence on other matters. Why criticize our fans (sometimes, rightly), but remain silent on the horrors across town, and in Scotland generally?

     

     

    the answer to this is probably two-fold: from a business perspective, it doesn’t help, and historically, it is clear that the ‘old firm’ (a term I do not use myself) mentality has, in fact, been the order of the day (we dont s**t on them, and they -at least as an organization – dont s**t on us).

     

     

    But, for me, this isn’t good enough. I can understand PL and NL ‘protecting’ the club, but that doesn’t mean failing to stand up for the rights of the members of that club. If they feel that they can criticize celtic fans for singing the Symphony (and, personally, I still see a very large difference between political and racist/sectarian songs – but that is another discussion), then, in my opinion, they have an obligation to similarly draw attention to the hatred across town.

     

     

    I see the comments on here everyday, and it frustrates me to see good Celtic men and women fighting amongst themselves, when (i) we know that they all want the best for the club, and (ii) this allows much larger evils – in Govan and throughout Scotland – to be ignored (and it is those evils that Celtic were created as a response to).

     

     

    I do think that the Club have the right, if not the duty, to speak out about issues of social concern and/or things that hurt the Club. My issue is the selectivity with which it has been done of late.

     

     

    In my view, the club must come out and say, not only what it is against (swearing, the GB, seemingly, or anything that might hurt its bottom line), but it (PL and NL, in particular) have a duty to say what Celtic represents today, and what it stands for, and what it is opposed to. So, I welcome their criticism of me and my views, but I expect the club to be similarly vocal in its criticism of – to be blunt – Rangers and sectrarianism. On that latter score, the club has been completely lacking leadership.

     

     

    In today’s reality, and in our society, it is impossible to not consider Celtic FC (and PLC) as a business. And, as such, it has needs and demands, and will act accordingly. However, certain clubs (like Celtic) are more than that. yet, it seems like those aspects of the club are being forgotten by those in charge. In order to respect its past and history, the club must come out and condemn acts of racism and sectarianism which impact on the club and its supporters (and not just those they see as perpetrated by its followers).

     

     

    Unless PL and NL see the club as only a business (and nothing more), then their recent criticism of Celtic fans is hard to accept. If it hurts the club (or even its bottom line), the club has a right to speak out. However, if Celtic is still more than a business, then, the club also has a duty to speak out on the wider issues that effect the club and its followers in Scotland.

     

     

    Once we know how those in charge view the club (and their roles in it), we know whether they are doing their job, or, even, if they are the people that we want to be representing us and the club.

     

     

    More important than short statements about this song or that song, the club must come out and explain what it sees as its role in society in Glasgow, and Scotland today.

     

     

    I am not saying that I have the answers. But, a lot of the discussion of late is about the details. What we need first is a discussion on the larger issue of the club’s identity in today’s society. Once we reach some consensus on that, I think much of the other debate will resolve itself.

     

     

    anyways, just some thoughts, and happy to discuss if anyone wants to chat.

  7. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    By day I’m ‘Mike in Toronto’ but on Sunday ‘I’m Neil Lennon’ says:

     

     

    17 December, 2011 at 15:47

     

     

    You might want to repost that on the new thread. I know I want you to do so. First-class rationale.

  8. BOBBY MURDOCH'S CURLED-UP WINKLEPICKERS on

    Post number 1314

     

     

    In that yearguys with no hope refused to lie down.

     

     

    Just saying….

  9. Mike in Toronto

     

     

    Don’t you just hate it when that happens? A very fine post well worthy of discussion. The fact is the Board represents a PLC and an FC. Then again, Celtic’s early origins did not last long, It was a Limited Company within five years of its’ creation.

  10. I meant to post this about 3pm today but forgot to press send …..

     

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    Well done PL for clearing the GB re the banner on Thur. The amount of CQN’ers over the last 24hrs automatically blaming the GB for it was an eye opener, all they were doing was following the Hun agenda.

     

    Well done to the CQN’ers who seen through it.

     

     

    V