Q. There will be 12 teams in the SPL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 11.
Q. There will be 30 teams in the SFL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 30.
Although TV and commercial money will be diluted, it is a sideshow compared to the real cash cow remaining in Scottish football, the gate money at Celtic Park. The Gang of 10 refused to exclude this option from their proposed change in voting rights.
A 20% share of gate money doesn’t have sufficient support from SPL clubs, too many losers. A 30% gate share only has one loser, everyone else wins, including the club who took 87 fans to a league game at Celtic Park last season.
This is nothing to do with Sevco, who are unlikely to pull a financially viable plan together (although the SPL and SFA are still trying). You’re being asked to open your wallets and pay for the upkeep of 42 stadiums, squads, boards of directors and kit men.
This is not a viable plan. It’s time for Scottish football to admit defeat. Sport has been subverted for over a decade to the point there is nothing left. We can keep Hampden and the national team going, but there is no viable league structure. The sooner we accept this and move on the better.
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Do one, Bontyboy. …
You fool no one. Odious. You really give me the creeps. …
your ignorant and bigoted bufoonery will be welcomed there!
Some things speak for themselves.
Paul: was the Scottish league hopelessly corrupted in the 60s and 70s when visitors got a big cut of the gate? I never noticed it myself, but then I was just a young chap glad to see the football. And don’t you think there’s worse things to give a percentage of your admission money to than the wages of a young forward or an experienced coach, or a laundry lady, from Inverness or even Kilmarnock? Don’t you think it’s a privilege to be able to support the professional game in the land of your birth? I do.
There’s no way Lawell and thon SFA shyster knew about Whyte; dontcha all know about him deleting his google entries.
TAL
Vmhan.
Don’t be daft,I will be staying over,but forget about what your talking about.make a donation to whatever charity you fancy if you want,we’ll meet up at sometime in the season.A convoluted way of saying,forget about it.
Mullet and co et al
I’m not interested in butting into you’re ….. Erm debate other than IMO all Celtic supporters comments are legitimate, you may not agree ( this is to all) but opinions are what will eventually result in our choices made, important choices if you spend a lot of time, money and effort supporting you’re/ our team.
HH
Mullet and Co on 28 June, 2012 at 22:27 said:
”Vmhan, I’m not sticking the boot in. I’m asking what evidence Ernie Lynch and Neg anon have that Celtic are in some way agreeing to this.”
I haven’t said the Celtic board are agreeing to anything. You made that up.
I’m asking how long they have known about the plans.
Would you like to know how long they have known about the plans?
What is the stars.
Yes,I did miss the racing @ Hamilton,I put a bet on every race to see how I would have done at the races,I’m glad I was unwell,I would have lost a good few quid.Maybe the next time.
Oldtim
And how are you now health wise,Ok I hope.
I have had a good little run recently.
You been in touch with Twists ?
Nae Euro games on a Holiday of Obligation. Nice work.
deliasmith on 28 June, 2012 at 22:37 said:
Paul: was the Scottish league hopelessly corrupted in the 60s and 70s when visitors got a big cut of the gate? I never noticed it myself, but then I was just a young chap glad to see the football. And don’t you think there’s worse things to give a percentage of your admission money to than the wages of a young forward or an experienced coach, or a laundry lady, from Inverness or even Kilmarnock? Don’t you think it’s a privilege to be able to support the professional game in the land of your birth? I do.
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I posted in the last thread why gate sharing would be highly detrimental to the long term profitability and therefore also the running of our game.
The 60s and 70s were very much a different kettle of fish where the football support didn’t lend a 70% skew towards two clubs.
Such disparity between two clubs and the rest cannot be overcome by gate sharing.
Think on it like this: if you can earn £50k a year from doing a lot of hard work, putting in lots of hours, sometimes 80 hours a week, you’d do it, if it meant that you could live the material life some aspire to.
But what if you can work for half of those hours for half that amount and someone simply tops up the rest from their wages? Would you continue to work the 80 hours, or simply put in a regular 9 to 5?
Now what if you are a football club that needs to produce their own players to sell on for profit?
And then someone comes along and removes the need for such a profit from all that hard work?
Gate sharing will kill our game.
Oldtim you’re an auld rougue, the LSOP is a fav charity but I’d still like to book the next stay over in Glasgow, same hotel would suit me but you’re choice :>)
HH OT67
What is the Stars
Surely there’s no straws left in that box. They’re clawin’ at thin air now. For reference, see a man called Bomber…….or was it Zoomer? Can’t quite remember. The wee guy who was preachin’ to an empty stadium. That one.
deliasmith,
Don’t disagree with the sentiment of your post but its a bit twee and oldy. Do you think Celtic have more chance of winning football matches if we stay in the land of your birth? Why not give the proceeds of all our income – shirt sales, sponsorship etc into one big pot and let all the other Scottish clubs take an equal share?
I presume you still live in the land of your birth and contribute to the Scottish economy on a daily basis? Do you buy Scottish produce and buy in season goods? Do you pay into Scottish national games etc?
I thought this was about how we make Celtic better and not some Scottish nationalist fantasy blog?
SFTB @ 22.35,
Good thinking (IMO).
Off to bed now. LOngbworking weekend coming up. Stone Roses on at my local park.
Any of you Bhoys or kids or greatvgrand lids down need a free taxi let me know quick.
Jobo
well done on your bets, captain !
good effort…
:)
____
Jobo Baldie on 28 June, 2012 at 19:36 said:
Right, last £2.50 out of my account on a few deserate bets but needs must. So it’s 5 X 50p singles on…
Italy to qualify
Italy to win in 90 mins
Balotelli 1st goal
Balotelli any time goal and Italy to win
deliasmith,
Celtic supporters pay money to support Celtic,
not to help subsidise any other clubs,
next time i think of buying a Celtic strip shall i buy a Killie one instead
since i know they have financial difficulties
Oldtim67
Last game of last season, I arranged to pick up a bhodran from artybhoy, he does the Celtic prints Eg the Broony one which he donated free and went for a few grand at a supporters do.
Anyway I’m meeting him this weekend in Blackpool, I’m gonnae get one made for the Kano Foundation team, next project :>)
Vinny
You can register your complaint about the shenanigans in the Scottish game to eufa, as did earlier this evening on, http://www.eufa.com/community/feedback/inde You will receive a generic reply. HH
Hoopsmon
I never used to go on the Rangers sites but since Feb is been such good entertainment.
Tonight they had a thread about picking a name for the oldco players who stayed loyal and turned up for training today.There was all sorts of crypto,pseudo northern irish loyalist type names suggested like “Apprentice Boys” “The Loyalists” etc and stuff like “The New Pioneers” and all sorts of maudlin nonsense about how the club will now be rebuilt around these brave boys (actually The Rebuilders was one proposed name) but suddenly someone suggested calling them “The Green and Whtye Army” cue howls of derision and posts like “f**k aff ya tag c**t
Very Funny
Rafa papped oot o Wimbledon
by a polish chap
ranked 100th in world
What is the Stars.
My messenger is not working,That’s how we have been chatting for a while,lame excuse I know as there’s e-mails and phone,but gardening has taken up most of my time lately,not very fit for gardening, so it’s gardening, then a sleep wherever I fall down.
OT
While at the Hamilton races we got a wee ew tip for a 28-1 shot , finished third so that would have covered most of your losses
It was a great , if not long day . Big Jon and I were still out at midnight .
deliasmith on 28 June, 2012 at 22:37 said:
Did you forget to take your pills today…..?
Hey !!
I have a SDM inspired idea to circumvent this “gie’s yer money” Dick Turpin approach of the footballing authorities for a ‘re-distribution’ of funds throughout Scottish football (how socialist, ahem).
Cut the price of the season ticket, cut the price of the ‘on the door’ prices. Give them 30% of c&%k all. Instead ask us to pay a certain sum in exchange for a certificate saying we’re Celtic supporters.
The reaction of some of you to what you dont like to hear or admit really is quite staggering. The SPL have publicly stated that they will create an SPL 2 to allow Rangers into the second leage if the SFL dont cave in. Not only are the SPL threatening the SFL they are doing it to save the huns.
Celtic are a member club of the SPL and they have said absolutely nothing. They know, its public and they say nothing.
Paul is very well connected with Celtic and he is basically asking the Celtic support to revolt. At best this means the club are cowards and hiding behind the support because they are too scared to go public or they support the postion the SPL are taking. Until Celtic make an announcement that is the only conclusion that can be made.
You know many of you have spent all of your time on here slagging the huns for their blind loyalty and stupidity – and yet here you are.
Mullet & Co and others who claim Celtic are playing a blinder – how on earth is being either cowardly or colluding to save the huns playing a blinder?
The only thing our Board care about is money – so the only way we will get a reaction is if it threatens the cash – this kinda does but if the huns are in the 1st div the reduction in money is okayish.
SFTB – I’m sorry but its an act of sheer cowardice for the Board to take your option 3. And all this guff about being free to seek a new league is, well guff.
67heaven – A fud or a hun – ah the classics eh – stop being predictably boring eh.
Question time on Beeb 1 is good and there are real comparisons with the financial crisis and the Scottish football corruption, one old chap says “you can’t have good Governance without policing the Governance”
Can you see the problems that arise in Scottish football governance? I give you Cambell Ogilvie senior position in the SFA and Director of RFC when EBT’s were introduced.
Corruption Governance Policing what’s missing at the SFA?
HH
SPL SURVEY (PDF)
PF ayr,oldtim
Would have liked to get to Hamilton myself but wasnt to be (Angela Merkel makes me work every day just doesnt pay me any more)
ernie lynch, I dont care about how long Celtic have known about the plans as I dont think they support Newco in the SPL and I also know that the fans are the mainstay that will sustain Celtic.
i also think that Celtic know how this will play out and that is why they do not need to make any sort of statement. Celtic hold the keys to the Scottish game now.
i don’t think this is a debate were we will see the Celtic board asssume the support are too stupid to know that no Rangers means a reduction in income. if we want no Rangers then we need to continue to turn up in the same numbers if not more to ensure the club makes any progress. The worry is that apathy sets in, season book sales go down, sky lose interest. Gates go to 25k. The current excitement will eventually die and there will be a BAU. Can the Celtic board count on you to turn up 3 years down the line after we killed rangers or will you blame them for not finding a new league?
The Celtic board will do as we instruct. Mind you rangers followed the fantasy of their support, aided by and egomaniac, and look were that has got them.
Do you suspect that the Celtic board dont trust the fans to turn up to support what we want here?
Vmhan.
It would be great if it makes a few quid for the foundation.
neg anon2,
are these not only proposals that we have seen,
promoted by BBC/STV who would certainly have an agenda
The BBC
Jim Spence | 21:53 UK time, Thursday, 29 March 2012
As the debate about change to our top league rages, I found myself nostalgically leafing through old league tables and attendances.
It was a fascinating exercise and left me wondering if we can do anything to return to a time when Scottish top flight football seemed much more competitive.
While by and large the big two of Celtic and Rangers have dominated our game, there was a period when that dominance was much less pronounced.
Empty seats are a regular sight in modern day Scottish football. Pic: SNS.
In recent years, the odd Scottish Cup or Scottish League Cup win aside, the Glasgow pair have simply been far too powerful and rich for the others to mount any serious challenge to them.
That cannot be healthy for the future of the other clubs.
Celtic’s turnover in 2011 of around £52m compares with a figure of around £8m for Aberdeen.
If Celtic cannot be expected to seriously challenge for the Champions League against giants like Real Madrid and Barcelona, who have turnovers which dwarf their own, how can other Scottish clubs make any headway in the Scottish Premier League against them.
It is difficult to know how to resolve this issue.
Celtic and Rangers have grown into huge businesses for many reasons.
At present, we have no idea how Rangers will emerge from their current
problems.
Irrespective of what happens to Rangers though, it is difficult to see how anyone can come close then to challenging Celtic with their enormous resources.
Historically the Glasgow duo, while the best-supported clubs in Scotland, did not average the huge crowds they draw now.
A few years after the Second World War, the big city clubs in particular were not miles behind them at the gates.
Let’s take season 1948/49 as a snapshot. Average attendances in that era would leave current day chairmen weeping into their beer in a fit of nostalgia.
Aberdeen 24,200
Dundee 24,532
Celtic 37,171
Hearts 28,196
Hibernian 27,627
Rangers 44,600
It was a boom period post-war for the game and the clubs outside of the Glasgow pair never came close to repeating those enormous crowds.
However, while the Glasgow two were still better supported, the gap was much narrower than now and often the two were split by other clubs in the race for the top prize.
Dundee were pipped by one point as Rangers took the title in 1949. The season before, Hibs took the title by two points from Rangers and Celtic finished 12th.
In 1950, Rangers again nabbed the top spot, one point ahead of Hibs, who were followed by Hearts, East Fife then Celtic.
The following year, Hibs were champions with Rangers and Dundee level on points behind them.
It is a snapshot of a time when Scottish football was much more competitive than today.
Is it simply wishful thinking that we can find a way to reinvigorate our game and bring a real competitive edge back to it?
I don’t remember gates being shared pre-SPL, might well have been though. I thought the SPL evolved from arguements over the distribution of TV money.
Does anybody have any proof that gates were shared pre-SPL?
sorry
not a Polish player
tennis fella is Czech
nae excuses but…
i just played 5s
1st game in a year
exhausted
haha
:)
Deliasmith: I support Celtic not another club, I’m not a Celtic fan but a supporter. I choose to support my club, It’s that simple.
NegAnon2, yip the only thing that Celtic care about is money because that is what is needed to run the club. Dont disagree.
less money = not as good a prospect of success= less chance of fans turning up = even less money.
Bloke 109 – it is a logical conclusion and thats all we have at the moment because the club wont speak to us.
EDB I do indeed need help – just not the kind you are thinking
Snake – most other clubs have said it like it is – we sit in silence. The SPL/SFA etc launch all this nonesense and we say nothing. To me the only reason is that they are supportive of the huns and just dont wanna let us know.
Mullet and Co – they arent stupid but money is their only motivation – and the point is that they think we are stupid.
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