Q. There will be 12 teams in the SPL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 11.
Q. There will be 30 teams in the SFL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 30.
Although TV and commercial money will be diluted, it is a sideshow compared to the real cash cow remaining in Scottish football, the gate money at Celtic Park. The Gang of 10 refused to exclude this option from their proposed change in voting rights.
A 20% share of gate money doesn’t have sufficient support from SPL clubs, too many losers. A 30% gate share only has one loser, everyone else wins, including the club who took 87 fans to a league game at Celtic Park last season.
This is nothing to do with Sevco, who are unlikely to pull a financially viable plan together (although the SPL and SFA are still trying). You’re being asked to open your wallets and pay for the upkeep of 42 stadiums, squads, boards of directors and kit men.
This is not a viable plan. It’s time for Scottish football to admit defeat. Sport has been subverted for over a decade to the point there is nothing left. We can keep Hampden and the national team going, but there is no viable league structure. The sooner we accept this and move on the better.
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Mullet and co – follow your logic – if they care about money (for whatever reason) they will want to save the hun.
And guess what – thats how they are acting.
kitalba on 28 June, 2012 at 23:04 said:
I think we discussed that point last week, I thought gate money was shared, you did’nt. I spent a fair amount of time trying to find a reference that backed the point I had made, I could not find one, not one that showed gate money was shared. You were correct then and until someone can show it as fact the point is mute.
Mullet and Co on 28 June, 2012 at 23:01 said:
”ernie lynch, I dont care about how long Celtic have known about the plans”
Sorry, but I stopped reading at that point.
Gordybhoy64 – if thats the case even more reason for Celtic to speak out against it
Just don’t sell MCCourt!
LB
Sanna-Is it possible to run a league during the season for say,a tenner a head?Might raise some money for the Kano Foundation,enjoyed the Euro one.
Neg Anon
“SFTB – I’m sorry but its an act of sheer cowardice for the Board to take your option 3. And all this guff about being free to seek a new league is, well guff.”
I have a certain amount of conflict myself about their “hidden hand” approach but I can see more heat than light being generated if Peter Lawwell acts openly as the lightning rod for opposition. I think “cowardice” is too strong a charge. There has to be brains as well as bravery in the way we oppose this. It is best for the fans to be the vanguard, IMO, because at some stage our custodians will have to enter into negotiations with people we have been opposing. That is best done without enmity clouding judgement.
As for being “free to seek a new league”, I actually stated that it was part of a policy to make a plea to be freed, rather than a description that we had this freedom. I think you mis-read me there.
so far Celtic (Lawwell&Co) have said nowt…Hunco have hit disaster after disaster…leaving Mad hun mob no scope for levelling anything at Celtic.
If it’s working don’t try to fix it…
If this keech about reconstruction, gate sharing etc gathers any kind of (Celtic harming) momentum….then I’ll expect Lawwell to play his hand. Until then keep the cards close to the chest – keep them guessing – let them destroy themselves..
Alexandra and Paul’s soup recipes coming up – been somewhat remiss of late re my posts.
Recent ones include:
– Butternut Squash, Lemongrass and Coconut (very bloody good)
– Carrot, Ginger and Apricot (nae too shabby)
– Pea and Mint (excellent – cannae mind if I posted this one)
Whats the latest on wee Oscar?? Emdae.
at the end of the day – fan power will determine what happens – from where I stand -the fans en masse are saying a big NO…!
NegAnon2 on 28 June, 2012 at 22:59 said:
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I think Paul67’s as pissed off as the rest of us with the attempted parachute/ saving for a newco, the reason he’s pissed off is the obvious acquiescence of a corrupt game.
Me, I think it’s all a game and the Huns are dead, but whatever happens I’d like CFC well out of the SPL, SFL and SFA.
Imagine in a league where everything not decided in an orange lodge meeting at hampden, we could be as big as Barca.
Night all
wee analysis by the quiet assassin…
http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/single/?p=11553830&t=8700235
PFayr.
Ah so you got home from Hamilton early then. At Musselburgh you and Jon were still supping up when the rest of us were under the table.
ernie lynch,
not butting in but can i ask how long Celtic have known of these plans,
and secondly how do you know
If this scam is voted against by all the Clubs,where does this leave Regan,Doncaster the SPL and SFA? A collective vote of no confidence in these clowns,could well happen.
ernie
Why is it that I find your posts so precisely relevant yet find Neganon`s so, well, stupid?
PS
You are not allowed Because that is what they are!
JJ
NegAnon
Indeed so, and that’s why I respect your view, but it’s all too predictable for you to have a go at the board. At least you’re consistent, but what you think is happening is only a hypothesis, and a strongly argued one. But while you say that bad news must bring a Celtic reaction, I’m less Pavlovian and go for bad news, see how it plays to Celtic’s plus or minus, watch the mess and then lead and comment. Up until now there has been no need for comment, I think we’re all agreed on that, and a comment tonight would be daft. Let’s see which reactions we get tomorrow, let’s see how it plays.
Now I am on record, as a 99% attender of away games as saying I am boycotting any yes to newco clubs – a tougher decision than all that for me, but I am absolute on it. And if Motherwell vote no, it’s a supporter decision but we know where they lie, so maybe them too. However, if Celtic vote newco into Division 1? I don’t know how I will react – I have renewed – but I would not be happy. But straight away let me say they won’t. And let me also say that I am still fully on the side of there’ll be no newco of any description next season.
In sum, there’s more to play. I’d expect more of the board than comment on some made-up, fanciful, back of a fag-packet proposal which is merely a kite-flying exercise to gauge reaction. Not quite to the car-park my friend.
Delia,Quonno, Bontyboy—Media House darlings. Classic black ops. This pulls in Ernie and NegAnon who assert without proof, or Neganon does, that Celtic want them in a 2ndSPL or first division. Paul67 wanted to set up a meeting for Ernie with a spokesman for the board, whomsoever that might have been.Seemed a good offer to me.Just get this into your heads–Why should Celtic allow them any notion of what their plans are? Hello Warsaw? This is the German High Command. We’re invading tomorrow at 3 o’clock. See you then.
Jabba and the rest see their nice little earners disappearing over the horizon. There are certainly shenanigans going on behind the scenes, but that doesn’t mean Celtic should say or do a single thing yet.
As for other clubs taking the lead–it’s about time they woke up as to who was shafting them all these years.
And as for sharing gate money—ay right!
Heard Bob Diamond is part of the new newco.Seemingly he wants to hide some money!!
SFTB – I think its time Celtic took a stance – I just doubt what that stance is now.
Vmhan I cant disagree with this but it aint gonna happen.
OT
:-))
It was a good day
Had a wee chat with twisty and think we’ll try and arrange a race day with a good bit of notice and try and get as many folk to come as can make it
It was a shame you missed Hamilton hopefully you’ ll make he next one
Lawwell is a s fly as they come – which isn’t always a good thing – but I suspect right now it is..
He’s calling their bluff by holding his hand. I also expect he’s working a plan B that involves saying Cheerio to SPL.
Doc;
If I remember correctly the big motivator for the breakaway SPL was to restrict the distribution of TV money. Driven by commercialism yes but not for clubs to keep home gates.
The issue keeps coming up though and some say we did have shared gates like it was fact. I think the cup games were shared and that was it.
Do you remember this back page? The Hearse at Parkhead.
gordybhoy64 on 28 June, 2012 at 23:18 said:
”ernie lynch,
not butting in but can i ask how long Celtic have known of these plans,
and secondly how do you know”
I have no idea how long they have known about them.
But I’d like to know how long the proposal has been under discussion.
Livibhoy
…I just don’t think you understand…
Bada bing
Would a no vote not be tantamount yet anyway ?
What is the stars
that s(h)ite is comedy gold – tinged with a hint of what a lack of education and vocabulary can result in. They’re also askin’ for Bawlsy Bazza to come back and transform from a ‘hero’ to a ‘legned’ through their dark hours and, eh, lack of an actual team. I have decided to read it through all ten fingers on fewer occasions.
ernie
Do you go to Celtic Home games?
Kitalba
A picture paints a thousand words
Contrast with their toadying support for all things Hun
ernie lynch,
i must have misread a post,i thought you had known how long Celtic had known of the plans
Seemingly a dozen eggs were delivered to M P today. Each of the 1st team squad had 2 and the other one had toast.
Butternut Squash, Lemongrass and Coconut
Ingredients
1 onion
1 Butternut Squash (don’t allow your youngest to nom this – Madi, grrrr)
1 Carrot
1 Stalk of Lemongrass
1 large knob of Creamed Coconut (about 1/3 of a Blue Dragon packet – cost aboot £1.20, or 40p for the amount required)
1 veg stock cube
1/2 tsp Coriander
1/2 tsp Turmeric
1tbsp of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (EVOO)
method
Peel and dice the onion and carrot
Peel and remove seeds from the butternut squash, chop into bits that are clearly bite-size for a three year old
Picture Jabba and set aboot the Lemongrass stalk with a rolling pin (bash it up a bit – should smell nice – the lemongrass that is) – you might want to cut the stalk in half too, but try not to pulp it – you’ll need to remove it later.
Start bilin a kettle full of water (1.2ltr).
Fry the carrots and onions with the coriander, turmeric and lemongrass in the EVOO on a low/medium heat ’til soft (10 mins).
Put your veg stock and creamed coconut into 1.2ltr water – stir ’til fully dissolved and nae munching on the coconut – tastes nice, but texture of oily runny butter
Add whatever you have left of your butternut squash and give it a good stir to mix with the spices
Add the coconut/veg stock to the pot, bring to the boil then simmer for 20 mins.
remove the lemongrass and blend until smooth.
Enjoy the best pot of homemade soup ever.
Alexandra is my 12 year old daughter and, somewhat obviously, I am Paul. I’m teaching Alex how to cook and she’s on soups for a while As are you.
kitalba on 28 June, 2012 at 23:23 said:
As I said Kit, I had a vague memory that pre-Premier Division league gate money was shared, I researched after our discussion and posted that I could not find a single reference to this. So until someone can show it as fact, then we can’t take it as such.
Sorry the link isn’t working for me.
The 60s and 70s were very much a different kettle of fish where the football support didn’t lend a 70% skew towards two clubs.
And do you not think that gate-sharing might be one of the reasons for that? Don’t forget, this was a time when gate money was 90 per cent or more of the income – no club shops, very little TV; even the macaroons and chewing gum business was private enterprise. Dunfermline could turn up at Celtic Park, maybe get a result, but usually get beat, and go home with the equivalent of a full house at East End. That helped them be strong enough to beat Valencia, to employ an up and coming manager called Stein. …
a bit twee and oldy
Well, that’s me told. Some arguments are just too well-constructed to contradict: you just have to say “fair enough” and give in.
I thought this was about how we make Celtic better and not some Scottish nationalist fantasy blog? In what way are Celtic better in a league consisting of ourselves plus eleven dwarfs? In what way are Celtic better throwing in their hand and jumping off a tower block? In what way are Celtic better whoring themselves, unsuccessfully whoring themselves, around the English leagues?
Celtic supporters pay money to support Celtic,
not to help subsidise any other clubs,
next time i think of buying a Celtic strip shall i buy a Killie one instead
since i know they have financial difficulties
This chestnut comes up every time. We. pay.. to. watch. a. game. A game against somebody else; it takes two teams to make a game. Nobody would go to Celtic Park if there wasn’t a team kicking the other way and trying to win, or at least trying to stop us winning. And, again. When it’s a cup-tie and the visitors get 30 per cent of the gate money, which they do, you don’t stay away, or swoon at the base unfairness of it all, or wring your hands at the imminent ruination of football as we know it.
Did you forget to take your pills today…..? Like I say, thick-eared stupidity.
SFA & SPL fighting for survival just like RFC used to do.
UEFA and FIFA calling the tune now.
Aye Scottish football needs the O/F (my Derry) cos the ‘auld’ alliance ain’t ‘firm’.
Looking forward to being part of the English setup!
Kit, if it’s the image I think it is, then yes I remember it well.
Let them hang on their a petard of their own making.
IcecreamandjellyCSC
kitalba on 28 June, 2012 at 23:23
The issue keeps coming up though and some say we did have shared gates like it was fact. I think the cup games were shared and that was it
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As a point of fact gate was shared though I can’t recall the exact split.