Q. There will be 12 teams in the SPL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 11.
Q. There will be 30 teams in the SFL next season. How many do you think stand to gain from the redistribution of income proposed by the Gang of 10?
A. 30.
Although TV and commercial money will be diluted, it is a sideshow compared to the real cash cow remaining in Scottish football, the gate money at Celtic Park. The Gang of 10 refused to exclude this option from their proposed change in voting rights.
A 20% share of gate money doesn’t have sufficient support from SPL clubs, too many losers. A 30% gate share only has one loser, everyone else wins, including the club who took 87 fans to a league game at Celtic Park last season.
This is nothing to do with Sevco, who are unlikely to pull a financially viable plan together (although the SPL and SFA are still trying). You’re being asked to open your wallets and pay for the upkeep of 42 stadiums, squads, boards of directors and kit men.
This is not a viable plan. It’s time for Scottish football to admit defeat. Sport has been subverted for over a decade to the point there is nothing left. We can keep Hampden and the national team going, but there is no viable league structure. The sooner we accept this and move on the better.
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Tinned Jandy.
John “Bomber” Brown
Freddie Krueger
Oh God,oh God,oh God…..another day on the rollercoaster of death. They are in the abyss,they have no players to speak of,they have no real finances,their woes multiply,but like some ghastly ghoul they reach out daily to make sure we don’t forget their malign presence, aided by the malicious sleekit scribes scribbling their diatribes of doom to mock us all.
And we are trapped in this ‘groundhog day’ of an interminable deathwatch.
You cannot take your eye from the beast until you are sure it can longer arise to tear at your throat.
Can someone,anyone please deliver the killer blow that will release us from their grip and give us some deserved rest from it all.
It’s fascinating,in the way that a natural disaster is fascinating. You’d rather not get caught up in it,but you can’t help but watch as it plays out to the clattering end.
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rangers-newco-even-third-division-will-object-to-club-s-presence-1-2382349
By STEPHEN HALLIDAY
Published on Friday 29 June 2012 00:36
MORTON chairman Douglas Rae believes Third Division football is the best-case scenario for newco Rangers, but has predicted that they will face opposition to their presence from clubs in the lower tier of the Scottish Football League.
• Morton chairman Douglas Rae believes Third Division clubs would oppose Rangers’ presence in the lower tiers of Scottish football
• General consensus is that Rangers should not be allowed to drop down just one division
• Two non-league clubs rumoured to have lodged bids to join the SFL
Rae insists the SFA’s bid to merge the SPL with the SFL in order to provide the reconstituted Ibrox club with a softer landing after their rejection by top flight clubs is doomed to failure.
At a meeting of the Morton Supporters Trust, Rae formally declared his intention to vote against Rangers’ admission to what is currently the First Division when all 30 SFL clubs meet at Hampden next Tuesday.
• Rangers newco to play in Division One – report
The businessman, who rescued Morton when he bought the club ten years ago, can see no prospect of the proposal achieving the 75 per cent support of SFL clubs required. “I’ve made my mind up and I won’t be changing it,” Rae told The Scotsman. “I know a few other chairmen who haven’t declared their position publicly yet but who have indicated privately they are going to vote against Rangers being admitted to the First Division.
“I think the SFA will be surprised at the strength of feeling among First Division clubs against Rangers going straight in at that level. They should be treated the same way as any other club. Rangers should have the same punishment as Livingston and be banished to the Third Division.
“My understanding is that two non-league clubs have lodged applications for the potential vacancy in the SFL. That would be in the Third Division and that’s where Rangers should apply to join. The normal practice should apply – that the SFL clubs receive a presentation from all applicants and then cast a vote on who they believe should get into the Third Division. It has to be consistent. Otherwise, it is being done only because it is Rangers.
“We’ll need to see what happens on Tuesday. If I was a betting man, I’d bet that Rangers will end up in the Third Division but I also know there are a lot of Third Division clubs who don’t want Rangers as it will threaten their own ambitions of promotion. My former manager, Jim McInally, for example, is hoping to make a big push for promotion with Peterhead next season. It won’t be much fun for them if Rangers are foisted onto them and become automatic favourites to win the division.
“Another problem with Rangers going into the Third Division is that there is no segregation at grounds there. That’s something for the police to consider.””Rae added: “There has been a lot of pious talk about sporting integrity. Where’s the integrity of a club going into administration, liquidation, getting rid of its debts and just dropping down one tier of football? I don’t see any integrity in that. It’s easy to talk about integrity but I regret to say there’s not much of it around in Scottish football right now.
“Rangers have admitted they should be punished because they have cheated consistently over the last number of years. They have tried to steal a march on other clubs. As a result, they have to receive the same punishment any other club would have got.
“If this was Inverness Caledonian Thistle or Kilmarnock in the same position as Rangers, for example, there wouldn’t be the same guff as we’ve gone through over the last few months. I saw Charles Green suggest the SFA should be sitting down with them and discussing their punishment. That’s like saying someone accused of a driving offence or burglary should sit down with the judge and decide what sentence they get.”
Rae has also warned against creating an option for any other clubs who become insolvent to avoid the full consequences of their situation.
“It would be dangerous to just let Rangers drop one division as new club with no debt,” he said. “Let’s then say that Motherwell, just as an example, were in a bad way financially. They could just decide to go into administration, then liquidation if necessary, if they knew a precedent had been set where they would only drop into the First Division.”
MayoD on 29 June, 2012 at 03:16 said:
I would love to see such strength of character and integrity when the the cards are laid on the table. Who will show what hand?
The Scottish Premier League have warned they will form a breakaway second tier if plans to put Rangers in the First Division are not approved by clubs.
Says who? Doncaster might just get the boot if he doesn’t stop acting like a dunghill cock.
5. RANGERS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED
•Complete financial meltdown
•Settlement agreement is obliterated
•Fans are lost to the game forever
•The game survives but where?
Meltdown? I already had thought that they had imploded, melted and evaporated.
Fans lost? What kind of fans do you mean? Knuckle scrapers?
The games survives but where? It will do well and grow organically and with integrity, thank you very much, Mr Doncaster. It will do well because of the increase in competition. Something to fight for, knowing that the refs and brown envelopes won’t be influencing the game.
Many years ago as a child it dawned on my that churches and judeao christian religions in general had sympathy for the devil.The whole concept in itself one of total drivel. I subsequently relinquished these psychotic millstones and pursued an appropriate career in real truth.
Some of you call this psychotic millstone concept faith.
Some of you call it Catholicism. Some of you believe Celtic is an outpost for Catholicism. It’s not. Celtic is a business. It’s been proven that the huns have been unofficially cheating Celtic for 140 years and officially for at least 15 via EBT’s and have been “caught”. So they are now re-structuring to grab more of your Celtic money. Parasites that they are.
I find it astonishing that so many Celtic supporters are renewing their Season tickets and will undoubtedly pay to see Celtic at away grounds. Why? Faith and sympathy for the huns. Of course far too many are too stupid to see the connection because of faith. The bored are depending on this faith otherwise they’d be on the warpath. It looks like the supporters of some other SPL clubs dont have that much faith.
Proddies eh?
5. RANGERS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED
part of the letter sent by the SFL as a result of talks/collusion by SFA/SPL/SFA
The presentation was sent by the SFL to its clubs, following talks between the league, the Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football Association.
Considering the appelate panel and the outstanding punitive awards to Rangers still to appear is this not the ultimate in CONFLICT OF INTEREST by the SFA?
5. RANGERS TERMINATED OR SUSPENDED
•Complete financial meltdown
•Settlement agreement is obliterated
•Fans are lost to the game forever
•The game survives but where?
Are the fans (the lifeblood of the game aka everything and more) being hung out to dry again?
How can the SFA condone such a letter after talks with the SFL-SPL and still with integrity, proceed with a sham of a process, prenting that it will be conducted with jurisprudence?
It can’t.
Scottish fans can only hope that the SFL individual chairmen like Douglas Rae will look beyond threats and financial short-sightedness.
Good morning CQN from a very wet Clydebank
Did not have internet access all day yesterday some tech fault?
Away to catch up with all the Celtic news
Hope you are all well and have a great day
Keep the Faith
Hail Hail
Maggie
The Lady doth protest too much methinks… ;0)
Seriously though, I think your point is, how can i put it…. Tipped with depleted uranium.
We all live in a paradigm called The Market, shaped by media frequencies and their perpetual drones…. And it works! Because for most….
Hope springs eternal in the human breast: Man never is, but always To be Blest.
Roll On The Music…..
Know your History Bhoys
Morning Celts and a happy Friday to ye all.
Earlier it was nice n sunny but the rains on now so changeable on the Fylde coast.
Have we resigned from the SPL yet?
HH
PJBhoynyc on 29 June, 2012 at 05:52 said:
I see. Really? What’s you’re take on the Celtic no responsiveness to the sanctioned Celtic cash grab? Turn the other cheek?
I see no remorse from anyone in Scotland on this filth and I dont see Celtic distancing themselves from it either?
If you fly w/the craws you’re gonna get shot doon w/the craws.
Time Celtic started acting no so craw like.
Of course then you have faith. Thats all about craw ling
From the Herald:
Bordeaux president admits his player would be interested in signing for Celtic
Published on 29 June 2012
Jean-Louis Triaud, the Bordeaux president, has opened the door for French international defender Michael Ciani to make a £1m move to Celtic.
HH
Aberdeen For Change
@AberdeenChange
All blame, finger-pointing & governing body making it up as they go along could be avoided if #Newco take responsibility & apply to SFL3 NOW
11:57pm – 28 Jun 12
Another from Twitter:
Electronic Tims
@ETimsNet
Morton chairman Douglas Rae believes Rangers have no chance of getting 75% of SFL backing. Other Chairmen informed him they feel same way.
HH
Is Livingston’s start in D3 comparable? Wikipedia suggests although liquidation was entered, they came back up with a CVA. Is it Paul67 that asserts that every club that has gone through liquidation has ceased to exist. Given Jardine’s statement above, I now see that as the only option. No humility, no regret, no sorrow only threats and entitlement.
Good morning friends and, as alwasys, a Big Happy Friday from a damp but slightly brighter than of late East Kilbride.
Morning from a dry but overcast harrow.
What does the “gift that just Keeps giving” have in store for us today ? Will goian and bedoya show up today?
Sanna
Let’s see what today brings. Some of the flouncing and dramatics yesterday brought on by Paul’s unusually shrill leader column were, to put it mildly, alarming. Worthy of a West End parody about paranoid fans.
Scottish football has had enough of them. Scottish fans have had enough of them. Eventually the idiots that run the game will get the message.
Celtic will issue a statement. The time to panic will be if that statement doesn’t mirror the likes of Milne’s. Not before.
In the meantime enjoy the carnage guys. They are finished.
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) on 29 June, 2012 at 01:42 said:
EN you are quite correct, there IS more to come out. As Barcabhoy would put it… NUCLEAR!!!
Info like… 3 referees implicated with ACCOUNTED FOR financial inducements; 1 a bung the other 2 receiving private health care for third
Neil Lennon is (and always will be) a Celtforlife (*O*) on 29 June, 2012 at 01:45 said:
… their family members!!! Tip of the iceberg stuff.
Restructuring of the league set up???
Restructuring of the entire governing bodies will happen first!!!
Anyone know if this is just rumour rubbish or has any substance to it?
The SFA governing body shame Scotland with these proposals the sheer lunacy of them is no surprise, if the tartan army had any integrity they would be banging Regan’s door down demanding answers, i hope we never see any support for the SFA XI on these boards again, nothing personal against Craig Levein but no Celtic fans should pay a penny in support of an organisation which does not represent the nation with any integrity or honesty whatsoever
Wings over Scotland – A stitch-up-for-frankenstein FC?
Written by Rev. Stuart Campbell
The BBC is reporting today that the Scottish football establishment hasn’t yet resigned itself to a reanimated zombie form of Rangers playing in Division 3 of the SFL next season. Despite half-a-dozen SPL clubs having made it clear that they won’t allow Charles Green’s new company directly back into their league, and despite it being the overwhelming wish of almost 100% of the fans of every other team in Scotland – and a large percentage of Rangers fans too, for varying reasons – that any new club start at the bottom, the craven moneymen of the SPL are still trying to find ways to get the Ibrox side back into the top division with the absolute barest minimum of delay.
It’s a mindboggling plan, and one we find it hard to attach much credibility to for a whole raft of reasons. Let’s look at just a few of them.
1. Fans aren’t that stupid.
We know the men in charge of Scottish football have a low opinion of the fans, but if they think the supporters of other SPL clubs – who have forced their chairmen to reject the idea of an immediate re-entry for Sevco 5088 FC in an unprecedented show of consumer power – would fall for a seedy compromise that could have Rangers 2012 back in the SPL a year from now, we’re forced to conclude that their heads button up the back.
Any chairman who votes to accept such a plan will, we’ll hazard a guess, be bombarded with an avalanche of angry letters, emails and abuse in the street that’ll make the last one look like a surprise birthday party in a sweetshop.
2. There might not be a New Rangers at all.
It’s far from clear that Charles Green is going to be able to field a football team in the 2012-13 season whatever happens. The business of settting up the new company is dragging on at a snail’s pace, beset by serious problems on all sides. It’s a matter of very considerable doubt that Green can afford to bankroll the club until August, half of the playing staff has already walked away, and the Rangers support’s opposition to his ownership hardened significantly this week with the bizarre and belligerent intervention of John Brown.
We simply can’t see that Sevco Rangers is currently a viable corporate entity, even if it somehow overcame all the other obstacles that are currently in its way. And furthermore, we’ve never believed Charles Green actually wants to run a football club in Glasgow in the first place.
3. Most of the SFL has little to gain from the plan.
The clubs in Scotland’s lower leagues have been until now the most likely winners from the whole Rangers fiasco, excitedly eyeing hefty financial bonuses from gate receipts and TV money as the Ibrox club makes its way up through the divisions (and in our view, perhaps not quite as quickly as everyone thinks). Now they’re facing the prospect of having that taken away, and being offered not much by way of compensation – indeed, the proposed new pyramid system represents a danger that some of them might fall out of the senior leagues altogether.
It only takes eight of the 30 SFL clubs voting No for any proposal to be thrown out, and there are numerous different reasons for them to object. We can’t see a play-off spot for Division 1 representing much of a carrot to Elgin City or Stranraer or Montrose or Clyde or Peterhead, when set against what they’d get from the presence of Rangers in SFL3 for even a single season.
(It’s been suggested that the SFL could be bypassed by the SPL relegating Rangers, which compels the SFL to accept them into Division 1. But there are all sorts of holes in that plan. For the newco Rangers to be relegated, they’d first have to be accepted into the SPL and acknowledged as a continuation of the old club, before then being immediately punished for the oldco Rangers’ crimes. That would need several of the clubs who’ve already explicitly stated they’ll vote against that to change their minds, incurring very great wrath from their supporters. And that’s not the half of the difficulties such a process would entail.)
So those are just three of the most immediately obvious reasons why the SPL’s latest cunning plan is doomed from the off. The internet is already alive with furious reaction from fans of every club in the land (including Rangers), and we don’t see it dying down any time soon. We’ll go out on a limb and say it, as we’ve done since the saga began and been (so far) right every time – this isn’t going to happen. No form of Rangers will play in either the SPL or SFL1 in the coming season. Everyone calm down.
re the stitch up
If they (SFA/SPL/Membership clubs) are after a bigger share of our home gate money cant we just charge a membership fee of x amount depending on where u want to sit and then just charge 50 quid for the season ticket?
they’re welcome to 30% of 50 sponaroonies.
Good morning all from a very dark looking cumbernauld. Not quite as dark as some of yesterday’s posts on the blog. Today let’s be a happy CQN!
Hail hail
Pablo
Lunatics on SSN trying to compare M Carrick to Pirlo
Sums up how far behind other teams they are
Foxy
Then boycott their grounds
….PFayr on 29 June, 2012 at 07:26 said:
Foxy
Then boycott their grounds
Hear hear
Just saw chick dung being interviewed as one of the passengers that endured a 15hour train journey from London to Glasgow due to severe weather in north England.
Not hath much luck is wee chico heh
Sannabhoy
Hope so
They are the type of players the Huns should have playing for them
Besides which nobody else would want them
Morning,
Hoops boss Neil Lennon fears that number
one target Fraser Forster is set to snub a
permanent deal and head for the Premier
League.
But the Scottish champions are determined
not to be left in the lurch and have kicked off
talks about a deal for Isaksson, 30.
Isaksson is out of contract with Dutch side
PSV Eindhoven on June 30 and is available
for free.
Sources close to the player have revealed
that he is keen to explore the option of a
move to Celtic.
The former Juventus, Manchester City and
Rennes shotstopper would soon make the
Bhoys support forget about Forster – a
target for both West Ham and Southampton.
Isaksson has won 96 caps for Sweden and is
a former international team-mate of Hoops
assistant boss Johan Mjallby.
Foxy_1888 on 29 June, 2012 at 07:13 said:
re the stitch up
”If they (SFA/SPL/Membership clubs) are after a bigger share of our home gate money cant we just charge a membership fee of x amount depending on where u want to sit and then just charge 50 quid for the season ticket?”
That’s a brilliant plan and is bound to work.
But why stop there?
How about instead of us ‘paying’ players ‘wages’ we ‘give’ them ‘loans’ instead.
And then tell them they won’t have to repay the ‘loans’.
That way they won’t have to pay tax and we’ll be able to afford better players.
What could possibly go wrong?
I like the Morton chairman.
“There has
been a lot of pious talk about sporting
integrity. Where’s the integrity of a
club going into administration,
liquidation, getting rid of its debts and
just dropping down one tier of
football? I don’t see any integrity in
that. It’s easy to talk about integrity
but I regret to say there’s not much of
it around in Scottish football right
now.
“Rangers have admitted they should
be punished because they have
cheated consistently over the last
number of years. They have tried to
steal a march on other clubs. As a
result, they have to receive the same
punishment any other club would
have got.
“If this was Inverness Caledonian
Thistle or Kilmarnock in the same
position as Rangers, for example,
there wouldn’t be the same guff as
we’ve gone through over the last few
months. I saw Charles Green suggest
the SFA should be sitting down with
them and discussing their
punishment. That’s like saying
someone accused of a driving offence
or burglary should sit down with the
judge and decide what sentence they
get.”
Sometimes you have to give credit where it’s due-the following story has the headline
SIGN ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4400747/Calls-for-boss-Bob-Diamond-to-quit-over-Barclays-rate-fix-scandal.html
Very cleverly done,IMO.
ASonofDan
Re FF
Where is he going to go ?
Newcastle aren’t interested in retaining him
Most team have established keepers , he was mooted as being looked at by QPR and Hammers both of whom are now sorted
IMO he considers us some form of back up position ….withdraw the contract I say
Then again for the first 18 mths of his CFC career I thought he was terrible
ernie lynch on 29 June, 2012 at 07:34 said:
It is not possible for creative accounting to come up with a method of paying Celtic monies which could not be categorized as season book money?I’m sure Celtic FC will still meet all tax obligations required of them
ERNIE LYNCH 0734
I don’t think the comparison is fair,though I see your point.
I suggested on here a while ago that,if they insist on gateshare,then we should boycott both home and away games.
Just sign up to a £40 a month debit to the club until we have the bargaining power back in our hands (inside a year IMO)
Whtever decision is made,I do NOT think gateshare is on,under ANY circumstances-apart from all clubs financing and filling a 40,000+ stadium.